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Offline Nyking754

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building a new comp with a really tight buget
« on: February 10, 2012, 08:40:14 AM »
im building a new comp with a really tight budget-

heres wat i have-
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im thinking i might swap the Intel Pentium G620 Sandy Bridge 2.6GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80623G620 for the AMD A8-3850 Llano 2.9GHz Socket FM1 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU with DirectX 11 Graphic AMD Radeon HD 6550D AD3850WNGXBOX
is it worth it for the extra ~50 bucks?
if so plz recommend a mobo for the amd processor
ill take any suggestions
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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 09:15:50 AM »
^ you currently have:

CPU - Intel Pentium G620 Sandy Bridge
MoBo - ASRock H61M-VS LGA 1155
GPU - N/A
RAM - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
HDD - Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM
ODD - LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model iHAS124-04
CASE - ???
PSU - ???

Necessities:
Cisco Valet AM10 IEEE 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wireless Adapter
i-Work OTI-1508


and want to swap for an A8... well it is worth it on its own but you'll have to swap that mobo as well.

you can swap the ram for a DDR3 1333 CL9 if you plan on sticking with intel, the difference is negliable i can assure that.
also you might want to invest on faster rams if you plan on going with the A8, the IGP profits on faster rams.

you'll have to purchase a GPU if you wish to stick with intel, that IGP wont cut for you enough. i'd suggest either HD6570 or HD6670 as they're within 60$-90$ and the most bang for buck at that price range.
HD6670 DDR3 [50$ after rebate] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161386

now pick your poison.
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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2012, 09:25:22 AM »
seems like imma go for a amd a8
any suggestions on a psu and the mobo?

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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2012, 10:16:31 AM »
3 questions, will you need any extra PCI/PCI-E slots? do you have the case already? how much would you be willing to spend overall?
« Last Edit: February 10, 2012, 10:45:53 AM by kitamesume »

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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2012, 10:35:41 AM »
3 questions, will you need any extra PCI/PCI-E slots? do you have the case already? how much would you be willing to spend overall?
will you need any extra PCI/PCI-E slots?   no
do you have the case already?  yes but its a piece of crap
how much would you be willing to spend overall? $600usd

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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2012, 11:50:21 AM »
the set i would suggest:
[$139.99]AMD A8-3870K Unlocked Llano 3.0GHz Socket FM1 100W Quad-Core
[$47.99]Scythe Big Shuriken 2 Rev. B CPU Cooler
[$139.99]ASUS F1A75-I Deluxe FM1 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) w/ Wireless LAN WiFi IEEE 802.11b/g/n & remote
[$64.99]ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1
[$74.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866
[$104.99]SILVERSTONE Sugo SG05-B  Mini-ITX Case SFX 300W 80Plus PSU
[$25.99]SAMSUNG 8X Slim Internal DVD Burner, OEM
TOTAL : $598.93

note: the mobo has a remote and a Wifi.
the case requres a slim ODD and already has a 300W PSU, the PSU's limits is only up to GTX 550 Ti or HD6770.
the HSF is to allow you to overclock further, do note that the Llano is an unlocked version.
the GPU is to boost the IGP via hybrid Crossfire.
extra note: some of them have rebates, but i don't trust those.

Edit: i tweaked the selections a bit, now everything should fit snag and clean.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2012, 02:50:39 PM by kitamesume »

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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2012, 12:15:58 PM »
the set i would suggest:
[$139.99]AMD A8-3870K Unlocked Llano 3.0GHz Socket FM1 100W Quad-Core
[$47.99]Scythe Big Shuriken 2 CPU Cooler
[$139.99]ASUS F1A75-I Deluxe FM1 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) w/ Wireless LAN WiFi IEEE 802.11b/g/n & remote
[$64.99]ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1
[$59.99]G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866
[$119.99]SILVERSTONE Sugo Series SG05BB-450 Mini-ITX Case with SFX 450W 80+ Bronze / Single +12V rail PSU
[$25.99]SAMSUNG 8X Slim Internal DVD Burner, OEM
TOTAL : $598.93

note: the mobo has a remote and a Wifi.
the case already has a 450W PSU but requres a slim ODD.
the ram has a bundled Free i-Work screwdriver.
the HSF is to allow you to overclock further, do note that the Llano is an unlocked version.
the GPU is to boost the IGP via hybrid Crossfire.
extra note: some of them have rebates, but i don't trust those.


ur set is nice but ur missing a hard drive and i want at least 1 tb of storage which would bring the total up over 700
also i do intend to upgrade this build in the future and the mini case makes upgrading hard
i dont think i need a great GPU since i dont do any hardcore gaming
i play games such as Warcraft and League of legends
what i do need the gpu to play is 1080p videos
the ram seems nice but ram is easily upgradable so ill upgrade it when i need to
the HSF isnt necessary as i believe the stock fan should suffice for the stuff i do

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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2012, 02:01:20 PM »
what i do need the gpu to play is 1080p videos
You don't. Any quadcore released in the last 3 or so years is capable of playing 1080 without any help or issues. Hardware accelerated video decoding is overrated. It has limitations that cannot be easily overcome. Hardware accelerated video decoding only makes sense if you're using an older setup but not interested in making a new one. You're making a new machine. Quadcores are the minimum you should build these days. Use those idling cores to do the decoding. It'll probably consume less power as well if you're CPU decoding.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2012, 03:20:51 PM by Lupin »

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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2012, 02:13:31 PM »
@lupin - so does the dualcores XD except that if they touch the Hi10Ps they'd start to stutter.

@OP
OH so thats what i forgot, LOL then we could take out the GPU since the onboard should be enough for a few months, and thus you could get one later on, i'd suggest picking up an at least a HD6670 to support the hybrid crossfire, do note that the GPU isn't solely intended for gaming, actually this isn't enough for gaming either, it's purpose is to expand what the system can do and to lighten the load of the system. i.e. making the add-in card do most of the GPU work = more TDP headroom for the CPU to overclock.

also the HSF is for the CPU, if you look at it carefully its an Unlocked Llano, the reason for getting one is to allow you to overclock higher, thus making it a more powerful rig for it's price, not only that, it extends the life expectancy of the unit, i mean it could last you 5years or more before switching to a newer rig. plus the advantage of cooling the unit better is that it extends the CPU's life, or so rumors says.

also, i think a terrabyte is kind of stretching the budget because decent 1TB 7200rpm drives starts at around 150$ more or less...
what i mean by decent is that they're fast to support the OS's craving for speed and/or durability of the drives themselves, cheap 1TB usually are 5400rpm and are retardedly slow for the OS.
theres also that plan of buying a smaller HDD and adding a big one later, also if you calculate regular usage, an OS only uses about 40GB, and games uses an average of 10GB each, calculating 10games+OS would use around 140GB, having about 500GB should leave you an ample 300+GB of space to use for other purposes.
but if you insist in buying a 1TB drive, we could cripple the unit a little bit to free up some budget, i'll try splitting the charts in two.
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i could turn it into a M-ATX rig but losing some features.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2012, 04:29:02 PM by kitamesume »

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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2012, 02:35:19 PM »
@lupin - so does the dualcores XD except that if they touch the Hi10Ps they'd start to stutter.
I'm currently using  a dual core and it plays 10-bit flawlessly. My GPU is a HD 6570 DDR3.
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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2012, 02:47:39 PM »
which dualcore exactly? i was talking about those E-450/350 dualcores =P netbooks.

@OP
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i just remembered, the i3-2100 is overall faster in CPU performance than the A8-3850, though an overclocked A8-3870K should be slightly faster. http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/399?vs=289
filling this up i found that the i3-2100 combo is a whole tier cheaper.

now pick your poison.

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i could turn it into a M-ATX rig but losing some features.

PS: upgrading too often is bad and costly, an average of 2years before you change units should be the sweet spot, 3years for desperate and 5+years for stingy people. 10+years for stingy bastards who doesn't wanna waste money at all *ahem* schools *ahem* pentium4 freaks *ahem*.

Edit: also to note, i don't think theres an upgrade option with the Llanos, you'd have to replace the motherboard as well if you're going to replace the CPU since the FM1 is kind of like a Llano-only motherboard. so that means you'll still be forced to change everything except the other components like ram/hdd/gpu(or not, since you aren't considering gettin one)/etc... also if they introduce DDR4 then reusing the DDR3 would be hard...
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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2012, 06:46:01 PM »
I'll write out a build for you today but I will start with the cpu now.  The choice now seems to be between the AMD A8-3850 $120 and the Intel Core i3-2100 $125.  The prices are close enough to not matter there.  Performance is what matters and that depends on what you are doing.  In general the intel is better.  The AMD is better with heavy threaded applications due to having 4 real cores instead of 2 with hyperthreading.  amds victory is not that large from what I've seen tho.

Since gaming is not a concern I would get the intel.  I don't know what the intel igp can do so you may need to get a gpu, but you still should be able to stay under $600.  Getting 1TB hdd may be the problem, but ill take a look see what I can find.

Also I've read somewhere to stay away from the h61 chipset and go for the h67.  For example this looks like a vary nice mobo.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131783

Ive not seen your thoughts on mobo size is ATX good or does it have to be smaller(mATX).

Here is some cpu comparisons.(I've only read the first 2 but it is important to do your own research)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-review/3
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/A8-3850-vs-Core-i3-2100-CPU-Review/1325/1
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a8-3850-llano,2975.html
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-a8-3850-apu-review/

Things of note: Ill write up a intel build, and will not cut corners. $600 with a 1TB drive and a gpu will be hard and may go over budget.  If it does ill point out the areas that corners can be cut.  I also probably can't pick out a case you like, but I'll pick one anyway.  Ill try to get it in the next 10hours as I have some things I need to do.

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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2012, 06:52:35 PM »
^ use the ones i've picked up as reference, some of them are the cheapest possible option on their range, such as the 1600 DDR3 ram and the 1TB 7200rpm hdd.
that should speed your selections up.

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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2012, 08:01:49 PM »
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Sorry I can't follow this topic closely right now.  But two things jump out on this list:

[$74.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866
[$104.99]SILVERSTONE Sugo SG05-B  Mini-ITX Case SFX 300W 80Plus PSU

Shop harder for these.  8 GB of 1600 DDR3 should cost no more than $40 delivered these days; I've seen it for $30.  Even 1866 can be had for $40-$45.  Same for the case.  You can buy a solid, budget case for ~$60-$65 or under.  400W & 450W PSUs get down into the $25 range regularly.  I put a 550W CoolerMaster in one of my systems last summer for $29 delivered; I have a 620W ecogreen Antec in another that came in $35 after rebate.

[$25.99]SAMSUNG 8X Slim Internal DVD Burner, OEM

Don't know if you require a slim DVD player; if not, watch for specials down to $17-$18.  In particular, I've picked up three Asus DVD burners at that price; they go there about every three to four weeks on newegg specials.

I agree about having caution on the rebates, but if you really pay attention to the exact requirements and don't dick around and try to send them in at the last minute, I'd say that 90% or more of the time they come through without hassle if you're dealing with a reputable vender.

Hard drive advice:  Right now you're getting screwed.  Prices are retarded high at the moment.  Seriously: consider if you can get a 500 GB or 640 maybe to get by ... hell, even a 320 ... and then start building a budget to acquire more capacity later on.  Your mobo should handle USB 3, so going external will be fine for transfer rates.  Also safer to have your data archived on a separate drive than your OS.  USUALLY.

Have you thought about budgeting for a good surge protector, or even a small UPS battery ..?  Even if they don't run your system for more than ~3-5 minutes, they provide a lot of protection for your electronics & data.  A 3000 Joule surge protector can be had for ~$15 if you shop carefully, and a 320 VA UPS can go as low as ~$30-$35.  If you can't get them now, certainly consider them for the future.


[ EDIT: By The Way on hard drives: if you see a good special on a notebook drive, a 320 or 500 or somesuch, no reason you can't use it in your system.  It'll be more stable, use less power, be more quiet, more cool ... it doesn't take much creativity to adapt a 2.5" drive into a full-sized bay ... if you're careful and creative, you can even get two into that space.  I did that in an old Dell that had only one hard drive bay.  Had an old 120 GB notebook drive laying around from an upgrade, then later added in a 320 GB when I found a WD Scorpio Black on special (back in the days of cheap drives 18 months ago ::) ) for $35.  For that system, it was vastly more capacity than I needed, but it made a great torrenting box (with a 1.8 GHz P4 & 512 MB DDR RAM) until I donated it to a friend who needed a basic web-surfer & document composer.  Played Age of Empires and Fritz Chess just fine for old farts like us. :laugh: ]
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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2012, 08:32:37 PM »
^you're talking about sales + rebate, obviously it'll reach that low, but those prices are their regular price, right now sales are kind of erratic, wait till summer vacation starts.

about around december i've seen i3-2120 go below 120$, an ITX board going 70$ and quad channel 1600 ram kits for 60$. reputable PSU's reaching 30$ and mini-itx case going for 90$ bundled with PSUs.
so yea the sales does happen though kinda rare.
« Last Edit: February 10, 2012, 08:53:20 PM by kitamesume »

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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2012, 11:18:30 PM »
great suggestions but i would prefer if i got a atx case inside of a m-atx
this combo i found seems to do the job-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.829007
i do a lot of anime archiving and i would prefer 1 tb but ill make do with a smaller one for the time being
i am also interested in the intel build that kitamesume recommended as it seems easier to upgrade but u also mentioned that dual cores have a hard time playing hi10p videos and as many fansubs are switching to hi10p im concerned about that
also i found on another thread this gpu for $60 and $30 after rebates i wonder how it compares to the ATM A8
im not really concerned with the ram as i doubt ill be using over 4 gig of ram
i should be fine withe the stock fan if i dont OC which i dont think i have to
also at datora im also one of those old farts that still play age of empires, starcraft, and warcraft  ;D ;D
« Last Edit: February 10, 2012, 11:26:34 PM by Nyking754 »

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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2012, 12:07:28 AM »
Ill start with the boring stuff.

Case - Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower $60.
The DVD drive - LITE-ON DVD Burner 24x $18
HDD - Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS $140
PSU - Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D $46
This part of the computer comes up to $264

For the case I just picked a highly reviewed case in the budget price range.  Not including deals I would not get a case less then 40/50 dollars unless you want a flimsy piece of crap, $60 is just about right.  There may be exceptions but, im not going to spend time looking for something that is a tastes thing.

The DVD dive is just that.  No explanation needed.

Going for the 1TB drive may not be the best idea and is a vary good place to save some money.  If you must have one this is the cheapest, but it only has a 2year warranty.  I will say that it does not really matter what size you get, as they all cost a ton.

The PSU is a vary important piece of the computer.  Go to low watt the computer don't work, go to high and you wasted your money.  but that is not all, paying to low is playing roulette.  Always buy a reputable brand.  The one I listed has a good balance of wattage and value.  It has all the required connections and the wattage to power even a i7 with a mid range gfx card(the 6pin power plug kind).  One thing of note is that this PSU does not come with the power cable.

The rest of the computer.

Mobo - ASUS P8H67-V $105
CPU - Intel Core i3-2100 $125
RAM - CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB ddr3 1600 cl9 $45
GPU - Radeon HD 6570 $70 - with mail in rebate $50
This part comes up to $345

With the mobo you want at least the H67 chipset.  This mobo has pretty good value.  It has the newish interfacing: 2 6gb/s sata connecters and 2 usb 3.0.  also has 3 pci slots along with 2 pcie x1, 1 x16 pcie x16 2.0 and 1 x4 pcie x16 2.0 slots.  price is important for mobos as well and you will have a hard time finding a good one under $100.

The cpu is good and if you wanted to you can up-grade it down the road.  Don't count on being able to upgrade it for value tho.  I don't know what intels plans are for their cpu sockets, so sandy bridge may be eol.

The RAM is RAM and not much to say, but you can cut some cost and get 4GB instead.  8GB is probably not needed so you most likely would not notice.

For the GPU just get one that does what you need.

This bottom section would completely change if you go amd.  For one you would not need a gfx card.

total cost $609 +shipping.  Shipping is around $17 for me.  with the $20 rebate the cost almost comes under $600.  You can cut some cost in the case, hdd by lowering size, and RAM by going with 4GB.  I did not look into an AMD build but im guessing you will pay a little more for the mobo and be able to cut the gfx card for a over all lower price.  This build does not cut corners and is all reputable manufactures.  There is probably areas that can be improved, but don't cut corners it usually ends up bad.

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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2012, 08:22:28 AM »
great suggestions but i would prefer if i got a atx case inside of a m-atx
this combo i found seems to do the job-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.829007
i do a lot of anime archiving and i would prefer 1 tb but ill make do with a smaller one for the time being
i am also interested in the intel build that kitamesume recommended as it seems easier to upgrade but u also mentioned that dual cores have a hard time playing hi10p videos and as many fansubs are switching to hi10p im concerned about that
also i found on another thread this gpu for $60 and $30 after rebates i wonder how it compares to the ATM A8
im not really concerned with the ram as i doubt ill be using over 4 gig of ram
i should be fine withe the stock fan if i dont OC which i dont think i have to
also at datora im also one of those old farts that still play age of empires, starcraft, and warcraft  ;D ;D
the dualcores have some exception, recent dualcores has hyperthreading such as the i3-540 and i3-2100 can handle hi10p with ease, dualcores that lacks hyperthreading such as G620 or G540 would have a little hard time when it goes up to 1080p Hi10P with ridiculous bitrates.

you'll definately be using more than 4GBs of ram when you're going with the A8's since the rams is shared between the GPU and CPU, also having 8GBs of ram guarantees you that you wont run out of ram any time soon, 4GB seems not enough from time to time, as of typing i'm using 20% of 8GB ram, this is only firefox open, when i do other stuffs it hits 50% so thats 4GB down =P. also, the price difference between 2x2GB and 2x4GB is small enough to be ignored but the size difference is not an ignorable thing.
[$39.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
VS
[$24.99]Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
note: 15$ more and you get another 4GB? i'll take it.

OCing is an option, but OCing is one of the major factors if you want to make your rig a whole lot worth it, i mean you've paid 140$ for a CPU that works like a 180$'s wouldn't that be worth it?

also since you brought up the nvidia budget GPUs i'll link you to an HD6570 review, to note A8's IGP is 10-20% slower than the HD6570 and the GT430 is way slower than the GT240. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6570-radeon-hd-6670-turks,2925-5.html

so since you've been telling me that you dislike ITX cases then i'll remake two units that both uses M-ATX case, no OC as well. but before that let me tell you the difference between the ITX and M-ATX.
ITX - pros:
usually bundled with wifi, bluetooth, remote and esata.
it's form factor is small so you can fit it in almost any case you want.
ITX - cons:
it only has one PCI-E x16 lane and no other, some uses PCI instead.
usually only has two slots of rams available.
mostly has only 4 sata ports available.

M-ATX - pros:
plenty of expansion ports such as PCI-E x16, PCI-E x1 and PCI.
it can hold more sata ports.
it can hold more ram slots.
M-ATX - cons:
it's big so you're limited to M-ATX and above case to hold it.
rarely bundled with anything, except the expensive ones.

TL ; DR:
so to point out, since you wouldn't be needing any expansion slots, nor do you even consider going 16GB of ram then an ITX could suit you better, also since they're usually bundled with wifi modules and such you could save some more money. still you could fit the ITX motherboards inside an M-ATX case.

Edit: trying what datora suggested, including an SSD and reducing the requirement of the 1TB that is.

@krumm - don't worry about sandy bridge's mobos, the ivy bridge will be reusing the same socket, so the mobos should be reusable though most will require a bios update.
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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2012, 09:04:52 AM »
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Regarding the sale prices:

Visit newegg.com each morning & see what their ShellShocker deals are.  Every week they have cases, PSUs & memory at stupid, ridiculously low prices.  I picked up a full sized Lian-li K-57 case for $49.99 delivered.  It's an amazing case, so long as you don't want a pimped-out artpiece.  The K-58 is better with another 140 mm fan plus an extra drive cage, and I've seen that go for $54.99.  They are FULL sized cases, which may not work for you, but I love 'em because I can work easily inside them and cooling/air-circulation keeps them at room temp, always.  The Lian-li's are exceptionally well-designed, with fantastic cable management and anti-vibration features.

Same with DDR3 RAM.  They're just about giving it away these days.  I see Corsair and G.SKILL 2 x 4GB kits, top end stuff @1600 or 1833, going for $39.99 delivered nearly every week, $45 & $50 shows up even more often.  No rebates on those.

I rarely go for rebates; most of the prices I listed can be had for straight-up buy on a sale, or using a promo code.  Get on the newegg eBlast newsletter.  I get about 5 or 7 emails a week from them ... they're pretty cool about NOT annoying the shit out of you with SPAM.  Make sure to click through on the Daily Deals from the front page three or four times a week; they are updated regularly & sometimes are nearly as good as the ShellShockers.


You might, BTW,  scrape enough saving out of it for an SSD drive ... which will give amazing performance for your OS drive, then use a mechanical/platter drive for storage ... whatever the best you can afford.  In fact, if you can do that, you can look at 5400 rpm storage drives and not worry about a premium on price & energy use with those.

For your OS drive, you really don't need more than a 64GB drive; it will format to just about 60 GB, 20-25GB used by Win7, 30 GB leftover for apps that need that speed.  Put apps that don't use that speed on the other drive (MS Office or OpenOffice, for examples).  Of course a 90GB is better (saw one, a SATA III, go for $75 after rebates about 10 days ago), but a 120 or a 128 is overkill, especially for a budget system.  Further, you can get a SATA II drive; prices are dropping hard for those because they want to push SATA III drives.  It'll still be blazing fast, one of the best performance enhancements you can put into a budget build.  Sure, grab a SATA III if there's a deal, but it can be put on the back-burner as an (unnecessary) upgrade next year, maybe jump to a 128GB or 160GB at that time if you're flush with cash.  With a good eye to bargains/rebates, you should be able to get $0.90 per GB or slightly less today, certainly under $1.00/GB.

Finally, regarding dual core & video playback:

Modern dual core systems are spanking powerful for video playback.  You do need to be careful to make sure you're not underpowered, but it's nothing like the worry of the older Core Duos.  Even the Core 2 Duos are a vast improvement over Core Duos, and they're all nearly obsolete in the face of an i3 running at 2.5 or 3.0 GHz.

I struggle with several old Pentium 4E 550 (Prescott) chips, running at 3.0, 3.2 and 3.4 GHz.  But these are not true, physical dual core CPUs.  They use hyperthreading tech to simulate a second core; my "2nd core" on these is a virtual core ... and these are spanked out of the ballpark by a Core Duo or a Core 2 Duo running at even 2.0 GHz.  I run a fairly substantial bit of 10-bit encoded anime on these systems (especially the 3.4 GHz) and I get pretty respectable playback.

As I noted in this post, I dumped the basic CCCP +MPC-HC configuration.  Uninstalled it completely and went with this one:

 - http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/?p=205
 - http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/?p=2263

HUGE difference in system performance.  I still get some stutter & slight lag on the more aggressive, very high bitrate encodes, especially in Hi10P.  But my system now plays a very impressive amount if them, especially at 720 or (even moreso) 576 or 480.  I've not even tried for more aggressive tweaks yet, just cruising along on that cookbook configuration.

I never could play 1080 on this system; just a few struggle along sortof .. but true 1080 just isn't in my needs or my budget these days, and the 720 encodes are plenty sweet.  On a more robust, more modern system, you should not have notable playback issues unless you go for extreme bitrate, true hi-def 1080 encodes.

Your performance issues will be determined by what else you wish to accomplish with this build.

Which, BTW, you might mention.  It'll help sorting out what you really need here.


[ EDIT:  Even without the rebate is not too shabby @$35 delivered:

Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC 430W ATX12V V2.2 Intel Core i7 Compliant Dual 80mm Fans Full Cable Sleevings Power Supply
Average Rating 4 out of 5 eggs(2,614 reviews) - 2011 Reader Choice Award: Best Power Supply

w/ rebate, $23.00. ]
« Last Edit: February 11, 2012, 10:39:55 AM by datora »
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Offline Nyking754

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Re: building a new comp with a really tight buget
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2012, 10:45:08 AM »
great suggestions but i would prefer if i got a atx case inside of a m-atx
this combo i found seems to do the job-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.829007
i do a lot of anime archiving and i would prefer 1 tb but ill make do with a smaller one for the time being
i am also interested in the intel build that kitamesume recommended as it seems easier to upgrade but u also mentioned that dual cores have a hard time playing hi10p videos and as many fansubs are switching to hi10p im concerned about that
also i found on another thread this gpu for $60 and $30 after rebates i wonder how it compares to the ATM A8
im not really concerned with the ram as i doubt ill be using over 4 gig of ram
i should be fine withe the stock fan if i dont OC which i dont think i have to
also at datora im also one of those old farts that still play age of empires, starcraft, and warcraft  ;D ;D
the dualcores have some exception, recent dualcores has hyperthreading such as the i3-540 and i3-2100 can handle hi10p with ease, dualcores that lacks hyperthreading such as G620 or G540 would have a little hard time when it goes up to 1080p Hi10P with ridiculous bitrates.

you'll definately be using more than 4GBs of ram when you're going with the A8's since the rams is shared between the GPU and CPU, also having 8GBs of ram guarantees you that you wont run out of ram any time soon, 4GB seems not enough from time to time, as of typing i'm using 20% of 8GB ram, this is only firefox open, when i do other stuffs it hits 50% so thats 4GB down =P. also, the price difference between 2x2GB and 2x4GB is small enough to be ignored but the size difference is not an ignorable thing.
[$39.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
VS
[$24.99]Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
note: 15$ more and you get another 4GB? i'll take it.

OCing is an option, but OCing is one of the major factors if you want to make your rig a whole lot worth it, i mean you've paid 140$ for a CPU that works like a 180$'s wouldn't that be worth it?

also since you brought up the nvidia budget GPUs i'll link you to an HD6570 review, to note A8's IGP is 10-20% slower than the HD6570 and the GT430 is way slower than the GT240. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6570-radeon-hd-6670-turks,2925-5.html

so since you've been telling me that you dislike ITX cases then i'll remake two units that both uses M-ATX case, no OC as well. but before that let me tell you the difference between the ITX and M-ATX.
ITX - pros:
usually bundled with wifi, bluetooth, remote and esata.
it's form factor is small so you can fit it in almost any case you want.
ITX - cons:
it only has one PCI-E x16 lane and no other, some uses PCI instead.
usually only has two slots of rams available.
mostly has only 4 sata ports available.

M-ATX - pros:
plenty of expansion ports such as PCI-E x16, PCI-E x1 and PCI.
it can hold more sata ports.
it can hold more ram slots.
M-ATX - cons:
it's big so you're limited to M-ATX and above case to hold it.
rarely bundled with anything, except the expensive ones.

TL ; DR:
so to point out, since you wouldn't be needing any expansion slots, nor do you even consider going 16GB of ram then an ITX could suit you better, also since they're usually bundled with wifi modules and such you could save some more money. still you could fit the ITX motherboards inside an M-ATX case.

Edit: trying what datora suggested, including an SSD and reducing the requirement of the 1TB that is.

@krumm - don't worry about sandy bridge's mobos, the ivy bridge will be reusing the same socket, so the mobos should be reusable.


im liking ur amd build, im thinking about dropping the GPU as i can put a better one in later on when i have the money but doesnt a $20 case seem like a tin can?
also i wont be concerned with SSDs any time soon since that technology is relatively new and is growing at a really fast pace


.
Regarding the sale prices:

Visit newegg.com each morning & see what their ShellShocker deals are.  Every week they have cases, PSUs & memory at stupid, ridiculously low prices.  I picked up a full sized Lian-li K-57 case for $49.99 delivered.  It's an amazing case, so long as you don't want a pimped-out artpiece.  The K-58 is better with another 140 mm fan plus an extra drive cage, and I've seen that go for $54.99.  They are FULL sized cases, which may not work for you, but I love 'em because I can work easily inside them and cooling/air-circulation keeps them at room temp, always.  The Lian-li's are exceptionally well-designed, with fantastic cable management and anti-vibration features.

Same with DDR3 RAM.  They're just about giving it away these days.  I see Corsair and G.SKILL 2 x 4GB kits, top end stuff @1600 or 1833, going for $39.99 delivered nearly every week, $45 & $50 shows up even more often.  No rebates on those.

I rarely go for rebates; most of the prices I listed can be had for straight-up buy on a sale, or using a promo code.  Get on the newegg eBlast newsletter.  I get about 5 or 7 emails a week from them ... they're pretty cool about NOT annoying the shit out of you with SPAM.  Make sure to click through on the Daily Deals from the front page three or four times a week; they are updated regularly & sometimes are nearly as good as the ShellShockers.


You might, BTW,  scrape enough saving out of it for an SSD drive ... which will give amazing performance for your OS drive, then use a mechanical/platter drive for storage ... whatever the best you can afford.  In fact, if you can do that, you can look at 5400 rpm storage drives and not worry about a premium on price & energy use with those.

For your OS drive, you really don't need more than a 64GB drive; it will format to just about 60 GB, 20-25GB used by Win7, 30 GB leftover for apps that need that speed.  Put apps that don't use that speed on the other drive (MS Office or OpenOffice, for examples).  Of course a 90GB is better (saw one, a SATA III, go for $75 after rebates about 10 days ago), but a 120 or a 128 is overkill, especially for a budget system.  Further, you can get a SATA II drive; prices are dropping hard for those because they want to push SATA III drives.  It'll still be blazing fast, one of the best performance enhancements you can put into a budget build.  Sure, grab a SATA III if there's a deal, but it can be put on the back-burner as an (unnecessary) upgrade next year, maybe jump to a 128GB or 160GB at that time if you're flush with cash.  With a good eye to bargains/rebates, you should be able to get $0.90 per GB or slightly less today, certainly under $1.00/GB.

Finally, regarding dual core & video playback:

Modern dual core systems are spanking powerful for video playback.  You do need to be careful to make sure you're not underpowered, but it's nothing like the worry of the older Core Duos.  Even the Core 2 Duos are a vast improvement over Core Duos, and they're all nearly obsolete in the face of an i3 running at 2.5 or 3.0 GHz.

I struggle with several old Pentium 4E 550 (Prescott) chips, running at 3.0, 3.2 and 3.4 GHz.  But these are not true, physical dual core CPUs.  They use hyperthreading tech to simulate a second core; my "2nd core" on these is a virtual core ... and these are spanked out of the ballpark by a Core Duo or a Core 2 Duo running at even 2.0 GHz.  I run a fairly substantial bit of 10-bit encoded anime on these systems (especially the 3.4 GHz) and I get pretty respectable playback.

As I noted in this post, I dumped the basic CCCP +MPC-HC configuration.  Uninstalled it completely and went with this one:

 - http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/?p=205
 - http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/?p=2263

HUGE difference in system performance.  I still get some stutter & slight lag on the more aggressive, very high bitrate encodes, especially in Hi10P.  But my system now plays a very impressive amount if them, especially at 720 or (even moreso) 576 or 480.  I've not even tried for more aggressive tweaks yet, just cruising along on that cookbook configuration.

I never could play 1080 on this system; just a few struggle along sortof .. but true 1080 just isn't in my needs or my budget these days, and the 720 encodes are plenty sweet.  On a more robust, more modern system, you should not have notable playback issues unless you go for extreme bitrate, true hi-def 1080 encodes.

Your performance issues will be determined by what else you wish to accomplish with this build.

Which, BTW, you might mention.  It'll help sorting out what you really need here.


[ EDIT:  Even without the rebate is not too shabby @$35 delivered:

Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC 430W ATX12V V2.2 Intel Core i7 Compliant Dual 80mm Fans Full Cable Sleevings Power Supply
Average Rating 4 out of 5 eggs(2,614 reviews) - 2011 Reader Choice Award: Best Power Supply

w/ rebate, $23.00. ]

@ ur PSU- it doesnt seem to have the 80+ rating
i believe that 80+ ratings will help me save in the long run by reducing heating and electricity costs
i will keep checking for cases and i do prefer big cases as they provide more airflow

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found this case
seems pretty decent if i mount a few fans on it
« Last Edit: February 11, 2012, 11:45:23 AM by Nyking754 »