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building a new comp with a really tight buget
Nyking754:
great suggestions but i would prefer if i got a atx case inside of a m-atx
this combo i found seems to do the job-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.829007
i do a lot of anime archiving and i would prefer 1 tb but ill make do with a smaller one for the time being
i am also interested in the intel build that kitamesume recommended as it seems easier to upgrade but u also mentioned that dual cores have a hard time playing hi10p videos and as many fansubs are switching to hi10p im concerned about that
also i found on another thread this gpu for $60 and $30 after rebates i wonder how it compares to the ATM A8
im not really concerned with the ram as i doubt ill be using over 4 gig of ram
i should be fine withe the stock fan if i dont OC which i dont think i have to
also at datora im also one of those old farts that still play age of empires, starcraft, and warcraft ;D ;D
krumm:
Ill start with the boring stuff.
Case - Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower $60.
The DVD drive - LITE-ON DVD Burner 24x $18
HDD - Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS $140
PSU - Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D $46
This part of the computer comes up to $264
For the case I just picked a highly reviewed case in the budget price range. Not including deals I would not get a case less then 40/50 dollars unless you want a flimsy piece of crap, $60 is just about right. There may be exceptions but, im not going to spend time looking for something that is a tastes thing.
The DVD dive is just that. No explanation needed.
Going for the 1TB drive may not be the best idea and is a vary good place to save some money. If you must have one this is the cheapest, but it only has a 2year warranty. I will say that it does not really matter what size you get, as they all cost a ton.
The PSU is a vary important piece of the computer. Go to low watt the computer don't work, go to high and you wasted your money. but that is not all, paying to low is playing roulette. Always buy a reputable brand. The one I listed has a good balance of wattage and value. It has all the required connections and the wattage to power even a i7 with a mid range gfx card(the 6pin power plug kind). One thing of note is that this PSU does not come with the power cable.
The rest of the computer.
Mobo - ASUS P8H67-V $105
CPU - Intel Core i3-2100 $125
RAM - CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB ddr3 1600 cl9 $45
GPU - Radeon HD 6570 $70 - with mail in rebate $50
This part comes up to $345
With the mobo you want at least the H67 chipset. This mobo has pretty good value. It has the newish interfacing: 2 6gb/s sata connecters and 2 usb 3.0. also has 3 pci slots along with 2 pcie x1, 1 x16 pcie x16 2.0 and 1 x4 pcie x16 2.0 slots. price is important for mobos as well and you will have a hard time finding a good one under $100.
The cpu is good and if you wanted to you can up-grade it down the road. Don't count on being able to upgrade it for value tho. I don't know what intels plans are for their cpu sockets, so sandy bridge may be eol.
The RAM is RAM and not much to say, but you can cut some cost and get 4GB instead. 8GB is probably not needed so you most likely would not notice.
For the GPU just get one that does what you need.
This bottom section would completely change if you go amd. For one you would not need a gfx card.
total cost $609 +shipping. Shipping is around $17 for me. with the $20 rebate the cost almost comes under $600. You can cut some cost in the case, hdd by lowering size, and RAM by going with 4GB. I did not look into an AMD build but im guessing you will pay a little more for the mobo and be able to cut the gfx card for a over all lower price. This build does not cut corners and is all reputable manufactures. There is probably areas that can be improved, but don't cut corners it usually ends up bad.
kitamesume:
--- Quote from: Nyking754 on February 10, 2012, 11:18:30 PM ---great suggestions but i would prefer if i got a atx case inside of a m-atx
this combo i found seems to do the job-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.829007
i do a lot of anime archiving and i would prefer 1 tb but ill make do with a smaller one for the time being
i am also interested in the intel build that kitamesume recommended as it seems easier to upgrade but u also mentioned that dual cores have a hard time playing hi10p videos and as many fansubs are switching to hi10p im concerned about that
also i found on another thread this gpu for $60 and $30 after rebates i wonder how it compares to the ATM A8
im not really concerned with the ram as i doubt ill be using over 4 gig of ram
i should be fine withe the stock fan if i dont OC which i dont think i have to
also at datora im also one of those old farts that still play age of empires, starcraft, and warcraft ;D ;D
--- End quote ---
the dualcores have some exception, recent dualcores has hyperthreading such as the i3-540 and i3-2100 can handle hi10p with ease, dualcores that lacks hyperthreading such as G620 or G540 would have a little hard time when it goes up to 1080p Hi10P with ridiculous bitrates.
you'll definately be using more than 4GBs of ram when you're going with the A8's since the rams is shared between the GPU and CPU, also having 8GBs of ram guarantees you that you wont run out of ram any time soon, 4GB seems not enough from time to time, as of typing i'm using 20% of 8GB ram, this is only firefox open, when i do other stuffs it hits 50% so thats 4GB down =P. also, the price difference between 2x2GB and 2x4GB is small enough to be ignored but the size difference is not an ignorable thing.
[$39.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
VS
[$24.99]Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
note: 15$ more and you get another 4GB? i'll take it.
OCing is an option, but OCing is one of the major factors if you want to make your rig a whole lot worth it, i mean you've paid 140$ for a CPU that works like a 180$'s wouldn't that be worth it?
also since you brought up the nvidia budget GPUs i'll link you to an HD6570 review, to note A8's IGP is 10-20% slower than the HD6570 and the GT430 is way slower than the GT240. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6570-radeon-hd-6670-turks,2925-5.html
so since you've been telling me that you dislike ITX cases then i'll remake two units that both uses M-ATX case, no OC as well. but before that let me tell you the difference between the ITX and M-ATX.
ITX - pros:
usually bundled with wifi, bluetooth, remote and esata.
it's form factor is small so you can fit it in almost any case you want.
ITX - cons:
it only has one PCI-E x16 lane and no other, some uses PCI instead.
usually only has two slots of rams available.
mostly has only 4 sata ports available.
M-ATX - pros:
plenty of expansion ports such as PCI-E x16, PCI-E x1 and PCI.
it can hold more sata ports.
it can hold more ram slots.
M-ATX - cons:
it's big so you're limited to M-ATX and above case to hold it.
rarely bundled with anything, except the expensive ones.
TL ; DR:
so to point out, since you wouldn't be needing any expansion slots, nor do you even consider going 16GB of ram then an ITX could suit you better, also since they're usually bundled with wifi modules and such you could save some more money. still you could fit the ITX motherboards inside an M-ATX case.
(click to show/hide)[$184.99 - $15]Intel Core i5-2300 Sandy Bridge 2.8GHz (3.1GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
[$119.99]H67M-ITX/HT LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX w/ Wireless LAN WiFi IEEE 802.11b/g/n & remote
[$64.99]ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1
[$39.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
[$19.99]APEX PC-389-C Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
[$44.99 - $6.75]CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 (CMPSU-430CXV2) 430W
[$17.99]LITE-ON DVD Burner
[$124.99]Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
TOTAL : $596.17
note: the mobo has a remote and a Wifi.
the CPU is an i5-2300 quadcore, it also has a $15 off promo until February 16.
the PSU has a 15% off promo until February 16.
extra note: some of them have rebates, but i don't trust those.
if you go with the i3-2100 you could save $45.
(click to show/hide)[$119.99]AMD A8-3850 Llano 2.9GHz Socket FM1 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU
[$139.99]ASUS F1A75-I Deluxe FM1 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) w/ Wireless LAN WiFi IEEE 802.11b/g/n & remote
[$64.99]ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1
[$39.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
[$19.99]APEX PC-389-C Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
[$44.99 - $6.75]CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 (CMPSU-430CXV2) 430W
[$17.99]LITE-ON DVD Burner
[$124.99]Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
TOTAL : $566.17
note: the mobo has a remote and a Wifi.
the PSU has a 15% off promo until February 16.
extra note: some of them have rebates, but i don't trust those.
you could also chop off the GPU to save an additional $64.99.
Edit: trying what datora suggested, including an SSD and reducing the requirement of the 1TB that is.
(click to show/hide)[$124.99]Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor
[$119.99]H67M-ITX/HT LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX w/ Wireless LAN WiFi IEEE 802.11b/g/n & remote
[$64.99]ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1
[$39.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
[$19.99]APEX PC-389-C Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
[$44.99 - $6.75]CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 (CMPSU-430CXV2) 430W
[$17.99]LITE-ON DVD Burner
[$109.99]Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EARX 1TB IntelliPower 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
[$84.99]Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR60GB 2.5" 60GB SATA III Asynchronous MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
TOTAL : $621.16
note: the mobo has a remote and a Wifi.
the CPU is an i3-2100 dualcore + HyperThreading.
the PSU has a 15% off promo until February 16.
extra note: some of them have rebates, but i don't trust those.
(click to show/hide)[$119.99]AMD A8-3850 Llano 2.9GHz Socket FM1 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU
[$139.99]ASUS F1A75-I Deluxe FM1 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) w/ Wireless LAN WiFi IEEE 802.11b/g/n & remote
[$64.99]ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1
[$39.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
[$19.99]APEX PC-389-C Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
[$44.99 - $6.75]CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 (CMPSU-430CXV2) 430W
[$17.99]LITE-ON DVD Burner
[$109.99]Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EARX 1TB IntelliPower 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
[$84.99]Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR60GB 2.5" 60GB SATA III Asynchronous MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
TOTAL : $636.16
note: the mobo has a remote and a Wifi.
the PSU has a 15% off promo until February 16.
extra note: some of them have rebates, but i don't trust those.
you could also chop off the GPU to save an additional $64.99.
@krumm - don't worry about sandy bridge's mobos, the ivy bridge will be reusing the same socket, so the mobos should be reusable though most will require a bios update.
datora:
.
Regarding the sale prices:
Visit newegg.com each morning & see what their ShellShocker deals are. Every week they have cases, PSUs & memory at stupid, ridiculously low prices. I picked up a full sized Lian-li K-57 case for $49.99 delivered. It's an amazing case, so long as you don't want a pimped-out artpiece. The K-58 is better with another 140 mm fan plus an extra drive cage, and I've seen that go for $54.99. They are FULL sized cases, which may not work for you, but I love 'em because I can work easily inside them and cooling/air-circulation keeps them at room temp, always. The Lian-li's are exceptionally well-designed, with fantastic cable management and anti-vibration features.
Same with DDR3 RAM. They're just about giving it away these days. I see Corsair and G.SKILL 2 x 4GB kits, top end stuff @1600 or 1833, going for $39.99 delivered nearly every week, $45 & $50 shows up even more often. No rebates on those.
I rarely go for rebates; most of the prices I listed can be had for straight-up buy on a sale, or using a promo code. Get on the newegg eBlast newsletter. I get about 5 or 7 emails a week from them ... they're pretty cool about NOT annoying the shit out of you with SPAM. Make sure to click through on the Daily Deals from the front page three or four times a week; they are updated regularly & sometimes are nearly as good as the ShellShockers.
You might, BTW, scrape enough saving out of it for an SSD drive ... which will give amazing performance for your OS drive, then use a mechanical/platter drive for storage ... whatever the best you can afford. In fact, if you can do that, you can look at 5400 rpm storage drives and not worry about a premium on price & energy use with those.
For your OS drive, you really don't need more than a 64GB drive; it will format to just about 60 GB, 20-25GB used by Win7, 30 GB leftover for apps that need that speed. Put apps that don't use that speed on the other drive (MS Office or OpenOffice, for examples). Of course a 90GB is better (saw one, a SATA III, go for $75 after rebates about 10 days ago), but a 120 or a 128 is overkill, especially for a budget system. Further, you can get a SATA II drive; prices are dropping hard for those because they want to push SATA III drives. It'll still be blazing fast, one of the best performance enhancements you can put into a budget build. Sure, grab a SATA III if there's a deal, but it can be put on the back-burner as an (unnecessary) upgrade next year, maybe jump to a 128GB or 160GB at that time if you're flush with cash. With a good eye to bargains/rebates, you should be able to get $0.90 per GB or slightly less today, certainly under $1.00/GB.
Finally, regarding dual core & video playback:
Modern dual core systems are spanking powerful for video playback. You do need to be careful to make sure you're not underpowered, but it's nothing like the worry of the older Core Duos. Even the Core 2 Duos are a vast improvement over Core Duos, and they're all nearly obsolete in the face of an i3 running at 2.5 or 3.0 GHz.
I struggle with several old Pentium 4E 550 (Prescott) chips, running at 3.0, 3.2 and 3.4 GHz. But these are not true, physical dual core CPUs. They use hyperthreading tech to simulate a second core; my "2nd core" on these is a virtual core ... and these are spanked out of the ballpark by a Core Duo or a Core 2 Duo running at even 2.0 GHz. I run a fairly substantial bit of 10-bit encoded anime on these systems (especially the 3.4 GHz) and I get pretty respectable playback.
As I noted in this post, I dumped the basic CCCP +MPC-HC configuration. Uninstalled it completely and went with this one:
- http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/?p=205
- http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/?p=2263
HUGE difference in system performance. I still get some stutter & slight lag on the more aggressive, very high bitrate encodes, especially in Hi10P. But my system now plays a very impressive amount if them, especially at 720 or (even moreso) 576 or 480. I've not even tried for more aggressive tweaks yet, just cruising along on that cookbook configuration.
I never could play 1080 on this system; just a few struggle along sortof .. but true 1080 just isn't in my needs or my budget these days, and the 720 encodes are plenty sweet. On a more robust, more modern system, you should not have notable playback issues unless you go for extreme bitrate, true hi-def 1080 encodes.
Your performance issues will be determined by what else you wish to accomplish with this build.
Which, BTW, you might mention. It'll help sorting out what you really need here.
[ EDIT: Even without the rebate is not too shabby @$35 delivered:
Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC 430W ATX12V V2.2 Intel Core i7 Compliant Dual 80mm Fans Full Cable Sleevings Power Supply
Average Rating 4 out of 5 eggs(2,614 reviews) - 2011 Reader Choice Award: Best Power Supply
w/ rebate, $23.00. ]
Nyking754:
--- Quote from: kitamesume on February 11, 2012, 08:22:28 AM ---
--- Quote from: Nyking754 on February 10, 2012, 11:18:30 PM ---great suggestions but i would prefer if i got a atx case inside of a m-atx
this combo i found seems to do the job-
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.829007
i do a lot of anime archiving and i would prefer 1 tb but ill make do with a smaller one for the time being
i am also interested in the intel build that kitamesume recommended as it seems easier to upgrade but u also mentioned that dual cores have a hard time playing hi10p videos and as many fansubs are switching to hi10p im concerned about that
also i found on another thread this gpu for $60 and $30 after rebates i wonder how it compares to the ATM A8
im not really concerned with the ram as i doubt ill be using over 4 gig of ram
i should be fine withe the stock fan if i dont OC which i dont think i have to
also at datora im also one of those old farts that still play age of empires, starcraft, and warcraft ;D ;D
--- End quote ---
the dualcores have some exception, recent dualcores has hyperthreading such as the i3-540 and i3-2100 can handle hi10p with ease, dualcores that lacks hyperthreading such as G620 or G540 would have a little hard time when it goes up to 1080p Hi10P with ridiculous bitrates.
you'll definately be using more than 4GBs of ram when you're going with the A8's since the rams is shared between the GPU and CPU, also having 8GBs of ram guarantees you that you wont run out of ram any time soon, 4GB seems not enough from time to time, as of typing i'm using 20% of 8GB ram, this is only firefox open, when i do other stuffs it hits 50% so thats 4GB down =P. also, the price difference between 2x2GB and 2x4GB is small enough to be ignored but the size difference is not an ignorable thing.
[$39.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
VS
[$24.99]Kingston HyperX 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
note: 15$ more and you get another 4GB? i'll take it.
OCing is an option, but OCing is one of the major factors if you want to make your rig a whole lot worth it, i mean you've paid 140$ for a CPU that works like a 180$'s wouldn't that be worth it?
also since you brought up the nvidia budget GPUs i'll link you to an HD6570 review, to note A8's IGP is 10-20% slower than the HD6570 and the GT430 is way slower than the GT240. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6570-radeon-hd-6670-turks,2925-5.html
so since you've been telling me that you dislike ITX cases then i'll remake two units that both uses M-ATX case, no OC as well. but before that let me tell you the difference between the ITX and M-ATX.
ITX - pros:
usually bundled with wifi, bluetooth, remote and esata.
it's form factor is small so you can fit it in almost any case you want.
ITX - cons:
it only has one PCI-E x16 lane and no other, some uses PCI instead.
usually only has two slots of rams available.
mostly has only 4 sata ports available.
M-ATX - pros:
plenty of expansion ports such as PCI-E x16, PCI-E x1 and PCI.
it can hold more sata ports.
it can hold more ram slots.
M-ATX - cons:
it's big so you're limited to M-ATX and above case to hold it.
rarely bundled with anything, except the expensive ones.
TL ; DR:
so to point out, since you wouldn't be needing any expansion slots, nor do you even consider going 16GB of ram then an ITX could suit you better, also since they're usually bundled with wifi modules and such you could save some more money. still you could fit the ITX motherboards inside an M-ATX case.
(click to show/hide)[$184.99 - $15]Intel Core i5-2300 Sandy Bridge 2.8GHz (3.1GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
[$119.99]H67M-ITX/HT LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX w/ Wireless LAN WiFi IEEE 802.11b/g/n & remote
[$64.99]ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1
[$39.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
[$19.99]APEX PC-389-C Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
[$44.99 - $6.75]CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 (CMPSU-430CXV2) 430W
[$17.99]LITE-ON DVD Burner
[$124.99]Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
TOTAL : $596.17
note: the mobo has a remote and a Wifi.
the CPU is an i5-2300 quadcore, it also has a $15 off promo until February 16.
the PSU has a 15% off promo until February 16.
extra note: some of them have rebates, but i don't trust those.
if you go with the i3-2100 you could save $45.
(click to show/hide)[$119.99]AMD A8-3850 Llano 2.9GHz Socket FM1 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU
[$139.99]ASUS F1A75-I Deluxe FM1 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) w/ Wireless LAN WiFi IEEE 802.11b/g/n & remote
[$64.99]ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1
[$39.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
[$19.99]APEX PC-389-C Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
[$44.99 - $6.75]CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 (CMPSU-430CXV2) 430W
[$17.99]LITE-ON DVD Burner
[$124.99]Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
TOTAL : $566.17
note: the mobo has a remote and a Wifi.
the PSU has a 15% off promo until February 16.
extra note: some of them have rebates, but i don't trust those.
you could also chop off the GPU to save an additional $64.99.
Edit: trying what datora suggested, including an SSD and reducing the requirement of the 1TB that is.
(click to show/hide)[$124.99]Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor
[$119.99]H67M-ITX/HT LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX w/ Wireless LAN WiFi IEEE 802.11b/g/n & remote
[$64.99]ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1
[$39.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
[$19.99]APEX PC-389-C Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
[$44.99 - $6.75]CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 (CMPSU-430CXV2) 430W
[$17.99]LITE-ON DVD Burner
[$109.99]Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EARX 1TB IntelliPower 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
[$84.99]Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR60GB 2.5" 60GB SATA III Asynchronous MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
TOTAL : $621.16
note: the mobo has a remote and a Wifi.
the CPU is an i3-2100 dualcore + HyperThreading.
the PSU has a 15% off promo until February 16.
extra note: some of them have rebates, but i don't trust those.
(click to show/hide)[$119.99]AMD A8-3850 Llano 2.9GHz Socket FM1 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU
[$139.99]ASUS F1A75-I Deluxe FM1 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) w/ Wireless LAN WiFi IEEE 802.11b/g/n & remote
[$64.99]ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP) Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1
[$39.99]Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
[$19.99]APEX PC-389-C Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
[$44.99 - $6.75]CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 (CMPSU-430CXV2) 430W
[$17.99]LITE-ON DVD Burner
[$109.99]Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EARX 1TB IntelliPower 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
[$84.99]Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR60GB 2.5" 60GB SATA III Asynchronous MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
TOTAL : $636.16
note: the mobo has a remote and a Wifi.
the PSU has a 15% off promo until February 16.
extra note: some of them have rebates, but i don't trust those.
you could also chop off the GPU to save an additional $64.99.
@krumm - don't worry about sandy bridge's mobos, the ivy bridge will be reusing the same socket, so the mobos should be reusable.
--- End quote ---
im liking ur amd build, im thinking about dropping the GPU as i can put a better one in later on when i have the money but doesnt a $20 case seem like a tin can?
also i wont be concerned with SSDs any time soon since that technology is relatively new and is growing at a really fast pace
--- Quote from: datora on February 11, 2012, 09:04:52 AM ---.
Regarding the sale prices:
Visit newegg.com each morning & see what their ShellShocker deals are. Every week they have cases, PSUs & memory at stupid, ridiculously low prices. I picked up a full sized Lian-li K-57 case for $49.99 delivered. It's an amazing case, so long as you don't want a pimped-out artpiece. The K-58 is better with another 140 mm fan plus an extra drive cage, and I've seen that go for $54.99. They are FULL sized cases, which may not work for you, but I love 'em because I can work easily inside them and cooling/air-circulation keeps them at room temp, always. The Lian-li's are exceptionally well-designed, with fantastic cable management and anti-vibration features.
Same with DDR3 RAM. They're just about giving it away these days. I see Corsair and G.SKILL 2 x 4GB kits, top end stuff @1600 or 1833, going for $39.99 delivered nearly every week, $45 & $50 shows up even more often. No rebates on those.
I rarely go for rebates; most of the prices I listed can be had for straight-up buy on a sale, or using a promo code. Get on the newegg eBlast newsletter. I get about 5 or 7 emails a week from them ... they're pretty cool about NOT annoying the shit out of you with SPAM. Make sure to click through on the Daily Deals from the front page three or four times a week; they are updated regularly & sometimes are nearly as good as the ShellShockers.
You might, BTW, scrape enough saving out of it for an SSD drive ... which will give amazing performance for your OS drive, then use a mechanical/platter drive for storage ... whatever the best you can afford. In fact, if you can do that, you can look at 5400 rpm storage drives and not worry about a premium on price & energy use with those.
For your OS drive, you really don't need more than a 64GB drive; it will format to just about 60 GB, 20-25GB used by Win7, 30 GB leftover for apps that need that speed. Put apps that don't use that speed on the other drive (MS Office or OpenOffice, for examples). Of course a 90GB is better (saw one, a SATA III, go for $75 after rebates about 10 days ago), but a 120 or a 128 is overkill, especially for a budget system. Further, you can get a SATA II drive; prices are dropping hard for those because they want to push SATA III drives. It'll still be blazing fast, one of the best performance enhancements you can put into a budget build. Sure, grab a SATA III if there's a deal, but it can be put on the back-burner as an (unnecessary) upgrade next year, maybe jump to a 128GB or 160GB at that time if you're flush with cash. With a good eye to bargains/rebates, you should be able to get $0.90 per GB or slightly less today, certainly under $1.00/GB.
Finally, regarding dual core & video playback:
Modern dual core systems are spanking powerful for video playback. You do need to be careful to make sure you're not underpowered, but it's nothing like the worry of the older Core Duos. Even the Core 2 Duos are a vast improvement over Core Duos, and they're all nearly obsolete in the face of an i3 running at 2.5 or 3.0 GHz.
I struggle with several old Pentium 4E 550 (Prescott) chips, running at 3.0, 3.2 and 3.4 GHz. But these are not true, physical dual core CPUs. They use hyperthreading tech to simulate a second core; my "2nd core" on these is a virtual core ... and these are spanked out of the ballpark by a Core Duo or a Core 2 Duo running at even 2.0 GHz. I run a fairly substantial bit of 10-bit encoded anime on these systems (especially the 3.4 GHz) and I get pretty respectable playback.
As I noted in this post, I dumped the basic CCCP +MPC-HC configuration. Uninstalled it completely and went with this one:
- http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/?p=205
- http://haruhichan.com/wpblog/?p=2263
HUGE difference in system performance. I still get some stutter & slight lag on the more aggressive, very high bitrate encodes, especially in Hi10P. But my system now plays a very impressive amount if them, especially at 720 or (even moreso) 576 or 480. I've not even tried for more aggressive tweaks yet, just cruising along on that cookbook configuration.
I never could play 1080 on this system; just a few struggle along sortof .. but true 1080 just isn't in my needs or my budget these days, and the 720 encodes are plenty sweet. On a more robust, more modern system, you should not have notable playback issues unless you go for extreme bitrate, true hi-def 1080 encodes.
Your performance issues will be determined by what else you wish to accomplish with this build.
Which, BTW, you might mention. It'll help sorting out what you really need here.
[ EDIT: Even without the rebate is not too shabby @$35 delivered:
Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC 430W ATX12V V2.2 Intel Core i7 Compliant Dual 80mm Fans Full Cable Sleevings Power Supply
Average Rating 4 out of 5 eggs(2,614 reviews) - 2011 Reader Choice Award: Best Power Supply
w/ rebate, $23.00. ]
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@ ur PSU- it doesnt seem to have the 80+ rating
i believe that 80+ ratings will help me save in the long run by reducing heating and electricity costs
i will keep checking for cases and i do prefer big cases as they provide more airflow
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found this case
seems pretty decent if i mount a few fans on it
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