Are You Alone?

[elvikun]

Haha I wasn't talking about if you were debating.

I was asking how I was setting myself up (because I sense one of those funny moments) AND telling you that it doesn't really bother me much.

@evlikun: Now that is something I totally agree upon.
Yes I wonder why most men don't have stamina... And why women have to fake... Can't they just tell me that I suck? Would be a lot easier than finding out afterwards... Or they wanted it different but were to afraid to ask/say it... I mean.. Girl.. we are both naked what can possible be the problem? Stop being embarrassed.
Men can easily go a few times if they want. I think they are just not horny enough anymore and rather go to sleep. Even if they did come early, there are more ways to pleasure a woman... Lazy bums! I for sure didn't hunt a date just for the 8 seconds of glory. That would be sooooo disappointing. No, that would be an insult!

@ Kendjin:
Or go to the church at Sunday and donate a really really lot! Especially if you do it every Sunday. Bah wish I had invented the church... Those priests can cure anything if you pay them! It's not a scam... Nah....


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or this one: "Can we please have sex with the lights out?"...wtf.... Is it me or you? Tell me!

Well, it's all traditions. I named just two. But Why not tell the man he sucked? Because not too long ago, you could've been killed for doing just that. Why lights out? Because not too long it was strictly forbidden to look upon your partners naked body. Well. Technically, that's still forbidden if you're christian. *cough*ormaybeyouaresimplyreallyugly?*cough* And to not care about how the woman feels is also a tradition rooting bact at least 2000 years. See, that's why I say shatter the stupid traditions 

[Soryon]

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or this one: "Can we please have sex with the lights out?"...wtf.... Is it me or you? Tell me!

Lights off is bad, but so is lights on. A little dim is the best so you can see whats going on, but its awkward when its completely lit, or at least imo... but blindfolded is really the best (assuming you trust your partner) * Soryon winks seductively

[Nikkoru]

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or this one: "Can we please have sex with the lights out?"...wtf.... Is it me or you? Tell me!

Lights off is bad, but so is lights on. A little dim is the best so you can see whats going on, but its awkward when its completely lit, or at least imo... but blindfolded is really the best (assuming you trust your partner) * Soryon winks seductively

Had a friend who set fire to her bedroom and the adjoining area of her house after following through on a misconceived notion that candlelight was suitable ambience for passion.

Many obvious jokes were made.

[metro.]

I've heard of someone almost doing that but still, that's fucking hilarioius.

[Soryon]

candles are a horrible idea, even forgetting about potential fire hazards, do you know how much it sucks to knock one over and get wax all over you when you are not expecting it (cuz its not that bad when you are)
Ill just tell you- It sucks. Big time.

[Nikkoru]

candles are a horrible idea, even forgetting about potential fire hazards, do you know how much it sucks to knock one over and get wax all over you when you are not expecting it (cuz its not that bad when you are)
Ill just tell you- It sucks. Big time.

I do, and so does she generally. It's an issue of fetishism, specifically her deeply rooted affection for Victorian era aesthetics. You get used to the conservatively cut hand-made dresses, her gloomy colour choices, prim diction and enunciation, and general love of hardwood and brass. Ignoring obvious safety concerns for her fetish is roughly in line with her character.

Watching her take public transport makes the whole friendship worth its weight in platinum.

[SilverDash]

* Warning Silverdash's theory of evolution *

Traditions that have lost their use through time which are holding us back should be killed and buried. But I think most girls don't say that you are horrible in bed because they are just too afraid to hurt your feelings and then having to deal with it I guess.

I think that the fact that 'men don't care about women' goes both ways. Man can love their wife/girlfriend just as much or more. Especially the nicer guys like the typical shy nerd I guess. They will never betray or hurt her and want to be with her forever and forever. I think Ray is one of those nice guys. But those guys have a way harder time getting a girl. Life's so unfair. But the 'arrogant/mean' girls or those that have one nighters themselves with beach boys because they haven't found the perfect guy yet eventually get punished by getting the wrong guys all the time. Because they intend to ignore the nice guys. Then they'll say "I always get the wrong guys" or "Why are all men such bastards?". Well, because they attract those men. The best guys that I'd recommend to my female friends are mostly those that don't get too many girls if you know what I mean.

Hot wax itself is also considered a fetish . Candles just remind me of satanic sexual rituals tough. I do like roleplaying in bed but not that kinda black stuff .

Let me be arrogant: Btw, I'm actually an above average handsome guy. I doubt the dimmed lights are because of me. They just fail admitting their own insecureness about their own body or the fact that they want to pretend I'm their ex that just broke up with them or some other lame reason.

Watching her take public transport makes the whole friendship worth its weight in platinum.

[Goldfrapp]

Traditions that have lost their use through time which are holding us back should be killed and buried. But I think most girls don't say that you are horrible in bed because they are just too afraid to hurt your feelings and then having to deal with it I guess

If you suck in bed, you should easily find that out yourself... If you think she is pretending, or if she just lie there, silent without making any sound, and never goes off like a magnificent fireworks, its time to look in that pink book of sex and read some more.

[SilverDash]

I'm not saying that I suck in bed. It's just that I'm 100% sure that sometimes I did. Most men do in fact. But don't underestimate how well some women can act in bed. It's absurdly good... Yes there are signs that show fakers but it's easy to miss em.
If you're lucky the bed/couch/whatever gets a big spot of sticky fluid which ain't from us men. Then I know enough. But by far not all women have that.

[Goldfrapp]

Well, if they are faking it, they are not worth being with;)
 
(And if they dont seem to like it, they probably have been raised as good girls that should be obedient and never tell a man what they really like, becuse good girls dont have lust or any desires.. or do we?)

[SilverDash]

Getting wet or getting the furniture wet is quiet a big difference. I mean, even more than a man can emit (This is so hard to explain in a non 18 plus section... I hope you understand what I mean). Sometimes a girl is wet before you even start. But if I suck from that point on she might still start to fake. So just the fact that she is wet doesn't mean 'success' for the man. It just means that she is either horny, you are good looking or you did good so far. But if she doesn't get wet at all then yes I think you failed.

Girls might have somewhat less desires than than the average male at the early ages I'm sure. But obedient girls are just boring. Not sure about the 40+ ones but I bet they have it too of course. You can tell by their facial looks sometimes if they are really into you (physically). Don't we all love a good fight now and then or having to work for it or having somewhat rougher/manly girls?

[Goldfrapp]

Oh I get your point very well;)

And I do agree that older women prob are more in touch with their inner desires and more relaxed about it than younger girls. Or maybe more selfish is the right word;)

[harpy]

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Traditions that have lost their use through time which are holding us back should be killed and buried. But I think most girls don't say that you are horrible in bed because they are just too afraid to hurt your feelings and then having to deal with it I guess.
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Do not guess, mostly it is because of these 2 reasons.

Beside, some times we think - well maybe he is tired today or something else is bothering him so he is not performing as well as he could or used to. If we will tell him that he suck, he will/might not be able get it up next time and be even worst then now.
Mans penis is such a delicate organ, its not like we can say stuff we think and not ruin this organs performance.
Males just say - tell me how I was and be true, its not like they actually always mean it.  Have ruined relationships with few fuck buddies just by telling they did not perform as well as usually. They do not dump you right away but in a while one can see to growing coldness...

I do not mean to say, that it's the same with every man, but most of them. Just as most of girls fall for stupid and/or cheesy seduction tricks. 

[elvikun]

Plus, since there is so much stereotype around... How many men actually ask about how it was? Anyone who wasn't doing it for the first time AND hearing about it for the first time should have a pretty good idea about how it was. If it lasted 2 minutes, thne, "dude", prolly not so great. It would even be awkward to say it loud at that point. also, in all honesty, I just don't think too many men really care once they have enjoyed it. And... Womend who fake are not worth being with? Rethink that my friend, if every woman just said the truth after sex, like 1/4 of men on Earth would prolly commit suicide. Not good idea. Not at all! 

[Garret02]

And... Womend who fake are not worth being with? Rethink that my friend, if every woman just said the truth after sex, like 1/4 of men on Earth would prolly commit suicide. Not good idea. Not at all! 

But if women just said it was not good, then in the next go men could try different things and maybe hit a jackpot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9ooYMH192E
Also it's not our fault that women fake it. It's their fault
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn5nf2xo2V4

[SilverDash]

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... Screw it I just commit this post.

Beside, some times we think - well maybe he is tired today or something else is bothering him so he is not performing as well as he could or used to

Agreed.

@elvikun
But it's wrong to say that men don't care as long as they just enjoyed it themselves. There are man (here here over here *waves* ) that actually do care about that. And not just in a fake way like telling myself that I'm awesome in bed. That way I would stay at 'level 0' forever. And the quality is not just expressed in time. Men who last for 40-90 minutes can be a pile of crap. In fact, some women can actually have an orgasm within 5 minutes. Often that involves more than just penetration. But sadly I'd have to agree that it does apply to most men and most of the time... Like the stereotype guy that just puts it in, takes 3-5 minutes and zips up and leaves and tells everybody how awesome he was. Just ignore those guys and tell your girlfriends to avoid him.

@harpy
If a fuckbuddy slowly/coldly breaks up after telling him the truth then he is just a loser imo. Fuck buddies are supposed to increase the quality of their sexual experiences where possible. Better learn now then walk away angry and look for a faker and make the same mistake again till the day you die. That's like living in a fantasy world. That's the same as some lonely in a basement fantasizing about his non-existent sex-life. They are both fake in the end.

So to sum it up:
* Both men (obviously) and women are easy to seduce?
* Almost all men think they are great in bed while they actually almost all suck?
* Lying to women may increase your chances for getting laid. However because of this the chances for honest guys decrease dramatically.
* Women and men both lie to each other for various reasons. They both keep up 'old traditions'.
My conclusion: Both genders are disturbing...

[Nodame-chan]

OMG, i cannot read this much  maybe smb will give me the general idea of this whole thing??

[SilverDash]

I shortened the post .

Sure: Short answer: sex/love.

longer answer: Erm. Ray was lonely. So I put a lot of stuff together how to seduce the average girl out there (read girls that are not so smart).
Then some people wanted to debate that or talk about it.
Now we are talking about plain sex and why women or men are better or just suck in bed and why they lie to each other in bed and to get each other in bed and hunting traditions (sexually).

Did i forget anything?

Ah yes, we also talked about the church and about Dr. Phil.

[elvikun]

@elvikun
But it's wrong to say that men don't care as long as they just enjoyed it themselves. There are man (here here over here *waves* ) that actually do care about that. And not just in a fake way like telling myself that I'm awesome in bed. That way I would stay at 'level 0' forever. And the quality is not just expressed in time. Men who last for 40-90 minutes can be a pile of crap. In fact, some women can actually have an orgasm within 5 minutes. Often that involves more than just penetration. But sadly I'd have to agree that it does apply to most men and most of the time... Like the stereotype guy that just puts it in, takes 3-5 minutes and zips up and leaves and tells everybody how awesome he was. Just ignore those guys and tell your girlfriends to avoid him.

Well. That's why I said "Many men" not just "men"
Either way, I admit I'm in a bit of a... awkward situation here, because am definetly not a man, but not exactly a typical woman either. Personally, I do not see a reason to fake. I actually can't see the reasoning behind a whole lot of things. I don't see how any girl can fall for ceratin things. As far as "seduction" and everything after that comes, I am very dominant person (not the SM meaning tho) too, which may change some traditional approaches along the way. And the 5-min orgasm? Well. At least we know noone faked with you now (  ).
Either way, before we got so sidetracked, the very original point I wanted to make was... Don't generalize so much. It really gets a little annoying over the long run. Also, don't do the "I am man, therefore I know everyhing about women better than they do." It's bad. Real bad. Makes you sound like living male incarnation of Cosmopolitan 

And... Womend who fake are not worth being with? Rethink that my friend, if every woman just said the truth after sex, like 1/4 of men on Earth would prolly commit suicide. Not good idea. Not at all! 

But if women just said it was not good, then in the next go men could try different things and maybe hit a jackpot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9ooYMH192E
Also it's not our fault that women fake it. It's their fault
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn5nf2xo2V4

Because a comedians are always right 

[Malakai0]

Single and bored of it after almost a year

OMG, i cannot read this much  maybe smb will give me the general idea of this whole thing??

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