10-bit and 8-bit the new standard?

[Squeek]

Ok, first of all, excuse me if I've posted this in the wrong forum. I thought about puting it under issues (as it is one for me) but then its not really an issue either, more of a question, and then I though about posting it in the general discussions forum... but I've only seen this format being used in the anime-fansub part

Anyhow, is the 10-bit and 8-bit (and all of their different types like 10Hibit) be the new standard? Im just wondering as for me this will be a problem, Im wathing my anime on my TV using a streamer, that appearently dont support this.. not fully atleast as I get somekind of aftermovments of pixels.. or what I should call it.

For me that havent really read about this format I dont really know what its good for either? I've heard its for a little smaller file-size, is that the only thing? 'cause the quality is still the same for what I feel.

[xdiv]

sooner or later hardware will have 10b support.

and for 8 vs 10, google for it, full scale war is going 8b fan boys vs 10b fan girls(genders where chosen random).

I personally don't see difference, apart file size, and I don't really care for file size.

[Squeek]

Then I guess Im starting to get way to old for this.. I prefer the "usual" format. example.... The "new" releases of Berserk is really tempting.. in 720p aswell, but what does it matter as I can't see them on my TV due to both the releases are either 10 or 8-bit.

[kitamesume]

sooner or later hardware will have 10b support.

and for 8 vs 10, google for it, full scale war is going 8b fan boys vs 10b fan girls(genders where chosen random).

I personally don't see difference, apart file size, and I don't really care for file size.

thats gonna be years of waiting, its been already months since hi10p/10bit became widely used and theres still no news about it being supported by hardwares.

the main difference with 8bit and 10bit is that:

8bit = introduces banding when bitrate starved.
10bit = introduces a marginally less banding when bitrate starved, plus has a higher compression ratio than the 8bit.

everybody knows that the common fault of 8bit is when the bitrate is starved theres a ridiculous amount of hideous banding thats gonna be present.

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note: if you can't differentiate them then to point it out, look at the floor.

[halfelite]

sooner or later hardware will have 10b support.

and for 8 vs 10, google for it, full scale war is going 8b fan boys vs 10b fan girls(genders where chosen random).

I personally don't see difference, apart file size, and I don't really care for file size.

thats gonna be years of waiting, its been already months since hi10p/10bit became widely used and theres still no news about it being supported by hardwares.

the main difference with 8bit and 10bit is that:

8bit = introduces banding when bitrate starved.
10bit = introduces a marginally less banding when bitrate starved, plus has a higher compression ratio than the 8bit.

everybody knows that the common fault of 8bit is when the bitrate is starved theres a ridiculous amount of hideous banding thats gonna be present.

(click to show/hide)

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note: if you can't differentiate them then to point it out, look at the floor.

I would not consider it highly used, Yes in the anime community its highly used but outside of that nope and its a niche market going for the anime crowd as a lot of them are to young to buy new components, Some of the hardware players do support some 10bit files the nixeus xs, ac velo, any of the current arm players will play them but not 100% correct some of them do have some artifacts but are watchable,  With the FXI cottoncandy stick  and other higher end arm chips with the mali gpu could mean some small players For us non PC watchers after some decent ARM ports come in.

[Hadouken]

I doubt 10-bit is "widely used" outside of anime.

[Bob2004]

Yeah, the benefits of 10-bit are vastly reduced in most non-anime video, so, combined with the poor support, it is generally not used much anywhere else. Since so few people actually use it, it'll be a long, long time until we start seeing hardware support for it - frankly, it's likely that h.265 will have become the anime standard before we start getting hardware support for 10-bit, if we get it at all.

That said, 10-bit is pretty much the current standard for anime releases (at least in HD), so if you want to watch most of them, you do need to be able to play it, or convert it to a different format. Which means using a computer (or phone/tablet/etc) with the power to handle it.

[vuzedome]

Well at least the scene is finally moving into x264, yup xvid was still the standard only up to a few weeks ago.
The leechers were raging real hard when they found out about it, it's even worse than the Anime community raging when we did the transition.

[Freedom Kira]

I personally don't see difference, apart file size, and I don't really care for file size.

There's hardly a visible difference when you're just watching anime normally, assuming you don't plaster your face to the screen looking for artifacts, because heck, how enjoyable would your viewing experience be if that was how you watch anime?

When you take screenshots and compare them, then you start noticing minor details after a bit of eye strain. But yeah, really, someone who doesn't care about saving a few hundred megs to a couple gigs per series would probably be indifferent (assuming his hardware can handle the necessary software).

[zherok]

When you take screenshots and compare them, then you start noticing minor details after a bit of eye strain. But yeah, really, someone who doesn't care about saving a few hundred megs to a couple gigs per series would probably be indifferent (assuming his hardware can handle the necessary software).

The general trend seems to be keeping file sizes about the same while using the savings to bump up the quality of the encode.

[kitamesume]

^ or to increase the size while reducing artifacts and bandings, coalgirls tends to do this.

[emjay911]

Right now only Anime Groups are encoding files to 10-bit, which is quite overkill and I can not see the difference.

Sure "they say" it has a clearer/cleaner image but I can not even see the difference between both formats.

Than you have the file size issue and the most important thing, ALL media players like WDTV can not play it because the ""hardware"" does not support 10-bit, you will have to ditch your current media player for a new one which has yet to be released to the market, it is really annoying, since I use my WDTV alot to play animes on my TV.

the only way to do it, is to download the latest CCCP codec and than connect your laptop/desktop to TV.

Anyways...

the real question... what is the best software I can use to convert 10-bit to 8-bit?

[kitamesume]

^theres a thread about it, i forgot where it was.

[vuzedome]

So you've decided to just skip reading all the technical stuff and voice your disapproval? Well this is typical.

[costi]

thats gonna be years of waiting, its been already months since hi10p/10bit became widely used and theres still no news about it being supported by hardwares.

Correction: it's widely used in anime, and nowhere else. And anime is a small niche, so good luck wating for 10bit hardware support. You barely have support for profiles over High/L4.0 now...

[kitamesume]

weren't we talking about anime anyway? its an anime torrent site and all, lols.

[costi]

We were talking about hardware support for 10bit encoding...

[halfelite]

thats gonna be years of waiting, its been already months since hi10p/10bit became widely used and theres still no news about it being supported by hardwares.

Correction: it's widely used in anime, and nowhere else. And anime is a small niche, so good luck wating for 10bit hardware support. You barely have support for profiles over High/L4.0 now...

Most hardware players support over high/L4.0 they just keep that in the specs as its retail specs, any current gen players have no problem with the anime encodes that were high/5.1 with 16 ref frames. 10 bit will never widely be used unless retail material starts to come out in 10bit and with no current hardware media streamers aside it aint going to happen, h265 will be the next thing before anything else. Hopefully the cottoncandy stick or cubox will be able to handle 10bit files im still waiting on my cubox