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[Saras]

Red meat/fatty foods/salt/alcohol/...etc, if it's not the only thing you eat and you don't eat it by the ton. Will not affect your life in any significant fashion.

Exercise will not make you live longer or better by itself either. 20-45 minutes of exercise a day will help you live a better life. But running 25km a day will just fuck up your joints and nothing else.

[Nikkoru]

And what you ignore is genetics. The way I eat, I should be fat. I am not. The way I strain my eyes I should be blind.

I am none of those, however my lungs are prone to complications if I get ill, since it runs on my father's side of the family. Yet I don't smoke or anything like that!
So much for health choices. Red meat is fucking good, I will not stop eat it and yet there is no guarantee that I will get any nasty conditions from it.

Winston Churchill was drinking and smoking every day, he lived until fucking 90. If your genes are so weak that you need to restrict yourself from all the good things in life, you should just die, so that humanity will purge some of it's weak genes.

Really? Everything good in your life revolves around red meat and non-diet soda? That's sad.

You can wave your apparently superior genes in my face, but no rationalization will change that Smoking, high BMI, and exercise in midlife and late adulthood are predictors of subsequent disabilities and chronic illnesses. People with better health habits survive longer, are happier, have a better sex life, and have disability's postponed until later into life.

Specific genes can increase the risks of acquiring diseases such as cancer and diabetes, some gain weight and retain it easier than others, but the risk is still there for everyone,

So my lifetime creed is and has been for many years, "Moderation in all things, including moderation."  Nikkoru, I do have a good 10 to 15 years on you, and I can tell you that my core outlook on life hasn't changed much since I was a teenager.  I've picked up a few new dreams over time and given up on some others, but my beliefs haven't changed a lot.  I have a streak of nihilism that I rarely bring up; with what I know of life today, I wouldn't be that upset if a rock hit me in the head tomorrow and killed me.  So now my goal in life is to work hard to the point where I don't have to work anymore, then just basically goof off and enjoy myself as long as I can.  But in the meantime I'm also going to enjoy myself while I'm still young and able to do so.  I'm not going to be completely self-destructive, but I'm not going to live a harshly puritan life, either.

Again, I don't see the part where I argued you have to live like a spartan. Not smoking, eating a balanced diet low on saturated fats and cholesterol, drinking in moderation, and a few minutes of your time to exercise and socialize each week is hardly self-flagellation. I know because I live it, I learned how to cook meals based on their nutrition value and taste, I have fun and exercise, and I try and embrace life.

You're working hard now for your future happiness, don't you want to be able to enjoy it?

[Burkingam]

Good, you're going to prolong your life - especially if you don't drink sugar-saturated beverages. Though that's hardly shocking.

I stopped drinking them 2 years ago. Sodas taste bad anyway.

[AceHigh]

Really? Everything good in your life revolves around red meat and non-diet soda? That's sad.

Where did I say that, faggot? Putting word in my mouth now, eh? How pathetic can you get anyway? I clearly said that I enjoy good things in life, I didn't limit it to red meat and soda. (fuck, a diet soda is just as bad you idiot, artificial sweeteners are a fucking poison in comparison to sugar)

Some of the good things I enjoy in my happy life is food that tastes good. Some of that food is "healthy", some is categorized as "not healthy". In reality nothing is healthy for you because even too much oxygen makes you high and too much water can kill you.

People with better health habits survive longer, are happier, have a better sex life, and have disability's
postponed until later into life.

First of all, there is no scientific method to determine level of "happiness in life", so it's not a measurable statistic. Second, partners with proper communication have better sex life than people who just eat diet food. As for disabilities... once again, fucking genes.

Specific genes can increase the risks of acquiring diseases such as cancer and diabetes, some gain weight and retain it easier than others, but the risk is still there for everyone.

Newsflash: There is a risk to live. In fact the risk being alive is so great, that there is a 100% guarantee that you will die from it. Yes, life is a deadly disease that is killing you. That is not even a risk, it's a certainty. You know some people who have terminal diseases spend their last time doing something their really want to do, in some cases it may be wild, stupid and dangerous. The rest of us are in the same position, we just don't know how long we have left and there is no way to determine it. So why not enjoy the life to the fullest?

Again, I don't see the part where I argued you have to live like a spartan. Not smoking, eating a balanced diet low on saturated fats and cholesterol, drinking in moderation, and a few minutes of your time to exercise and socialize each week is hardly self-flagellation. I know because I live it, I learned how to cook meals based on their nutrition value and taste, I have fun and exercise, and I try and embrace life.

Oh, you learned how to cook? Good for you. I have been cooking my meals from scratch for years now and I don't remember last time buying a hamburger in a fast food restaurant. By all standards and popular consensus I am one of those people that have a "balanced diet".

However, there is a point where bullshit starts. That bullshit are those articles that say "red meat is bad" as if it's in the same category as arsenic. I remember more of those articles, one said that a study found that potatoes are bad, another one mentioned that we shouldn't eat mushrooms because allegedly they hold a higher amount of background radiation or some bullshit like that. Eggs are also bad for you according to some bogus scientists and so is milk. While raw carrots are ok, there is a claim that boiled carrots are bad for you.

And you know about soya? The holy grail of vegeterians that is so good for you? Well, it's bad for you too.

It's a fucking insanity. I cook good meals for myself, I have a balanced diet, however I can't make a decent meal if I am not allowed to use such basic ingredients that are all claimed to be "dangerous" for you. I am sorry, but red meat isn't even close to the same category as your common junk food from McDonalds. I can make fine meals out of it, especially if that red meat just happens to be a fucking whale meat which is rich in iron, vitamin A and B and very low on fat.

The last thing I want to hear is that I have an unhappy life because of my food habits when in reality the really memorable moments of my life was when I visited other countries trying their cuisine no matter how "unhealthy" it was deemed. It was new experiences and since new experiences is what enriches our lives, I would say that me trying to taste everything out there, qualifies as "embracing the life" much more than checking every product in the grocery store for the carbs and fats while being paranoid about things you may consume. That is what I call surviving, not living the life.

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[AceHigh]

I believe that unlike you most people here have a reading comprehension. Don't drag them down to your intellectual level.

Besides Nikkoru just broke several of your values in an argument by putting words in my mouth, providing unbacked claims, making assumptions about others out of ignorance, while at the same time disregarding my actual arguments and claims while cherry picking material to be reflected in your snide pictures, all of that just because you just happen to support his agenda. Hypocrite much?

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Fixed.

[Burkingam]

I believe that unlike you most people here have a reading comprehension. Don't drag them down to your intellectual level.

I believe that most people here can understand a not so subtle message directed to them. Since apparently there is at least one person who doesn't understand it I will put it more clearly. When someone talk calmly and politely to you and you answer aggressively, e.g. by insulting them, nobody cares what you were trying to say anymore. All we really register it that you are a fucktard incapable of having a civilized conversation.

inb4 AceHigh yapping furiously at me.

[Ixarku]

Again, I don't see the part where I argued you have to live like a spartan. Not smoking, eating a balanced diet low on saturated fats and cholesterol, drinking in moderation, and a few minutes of your time to exercise and socialize each week is hardly self-flagellation. I know because I live it, I learned how to cook meals based on their nutrition value and taste, I have fun and exercise, and I try and embrace life.

You're working hard now for your future happiness, don't you want to be able to enjoy it?

My point is simple -- your way isn't the only way.  It works for you, and that's great.  It wouldn't work for me.  I don't have the self-discipline or interest to exercise as much as I need to.  I indulge in junk food every once in a while, have no desire to give it up.  I may not be eating enough vegetables but I do at least try to eat balanced most of the time.  I'm 170 pounds and 5 foot 7 inches tall, so my weight is right where it should be, or close enough.  My blood pressure & cholesterol are slightly higher than they should be.  I'm relatively happy now, my lifestyle as it is suits me, and moving my life in a more spartan direction isn't going to make me any happier.
 
The one thing I have learned from watching some of my family and co-workers die off over the years while they are at pre-retirement age, while seeing others live to become old and frail, is to plan for the future but don't actually expect to make it there.  I've just seen it happen too many times.  As Ace has said in not-so-many words, there are no guarantees in life, and plenty of risk.  I'm perfectly happy with the trade-off for health later versus indulgence now.  I haven't made my choices out of ignorance or short-sightedness; my priorities are simply different from yours.

[AceHigh]

When someone talk calmly and politely to you and you answer aggressively, e.g. by insulting them, nobody cares what you were trying to say anymore. All we really register it that you are a fucktard incapable of having a civilized conversation.

Insults are insults no matter if they are worded politely or not. I responded to the insults directed at me in a blunt and clear way, without bothering to wrap it in a politically correct package. That is my way of communicating with honesty. If you can't handle a few curse words here and there, isn't really a problem of mine, however the claim of civilized conversations from your perspective means that it's ok to insult others as long as you patronize them politely. Sorry, that's not my style.

[Nikkoru]

Go on, this is interesting.

Again, I don't see the part where I argued you have to live like a spartan. Not smoking, eating a balanced diet low on saturated fats and cholesterol, drinking in moderation, and a few minutes of your time to exercise and socialize each week is hardly self-flagellation. I know because I live it, I learned how to cook meals based on their nutrition value and taste, I have fun and exercise, and I try and embrace life.

You're working hard now for your future happiness, don't you want to be able to enjoy it?

My point is simple -- your way isn't the only way.  It works for you, and that's great.  It wouldn't work for me.  I don't have the self-discipline or interest to exercise as much as I need to.  I indulge in junk food every once in a while, have no desire to give it up.  I may not be eating enough vegetables but I do at least try to eat balanced most of the time.  I'm 170 pounds and 5 foot 7 inches tall, so my weight is right where it should be, or close enough.  My blood pressure & cholesterol are slightly higher than they should be.  I'm relatively happy now, my lifestyle as it is suits me, and moving my life in a more spartan direction isn't going to make me any happier.
 
The one thing I have learned from watching some of my family and co-workers die off over the years while they are at pre-retirement age, while seeing others live to become old and frail, is to plan for the future but don't actually expect to make it there.  I've just seen it happen too many times.  As Ace has said in not-so-many words, there are no guarantees in life, and plenty of risk.  I'm perfectly happy with the trade-off for health later versus indulgence now.  I haven't made my choices out of ignorance or short-sightedness; my priorities are simply different from yours.

I understand, I don't deny your perspective. You just seem ...melancholic and fatalistic. It's one thing not to actively seek longevity - people can and will make there own decisions all I can do is warn them of the consequences if they aren't aware - it's another to say you wouldn't mind dying tomorrow. I like you, and it's difficult to accept that you can shrug off your life like that.

[Ixarku]

Heh, melancholy and fatalism have been a part of my personality for a very long time.  I've struggled with depression off and on for my entire adult life, although, with the exception of work- and home ownership-related stress, I can't really complain about the quality of life.  It's not something I make a big show of here, I mostly suck it up and keep on moving.  I know it sounds weird, but I really don't place a lot of value on my own life.  Some of this is a consequence of my own fears and feelings of inadequacy, but some of it is also philosophical -- I see an individual's life as ultimately meaningless, and my own life's not so wonderful that I want to see myself live long enough to degenerate into the frailty of old age.  Again, I'm not deliberately self-destructive, it's a bit more of a passive-aggressive attitude.  Plan for the best, expect the worst.

[AceHigh]

Then there is also a difference between not minding dying tomorrow and knowing that you may die any day and it just might be tomorrow without seeking it actively.

"Carpe diem" I don't think it is a self destructive way of thinking. If anything I would call it acceptance of your mortality and making the best of the time you have left.

[Saras]

I believe that unlike you most people here have a reading comprehension. Don't drag them down to your intellectual level.

I believe that most people here can understand a not so subtle message directed to them. Since apparently there is at least one person who doesn't understand it I will put it more clearly. When someone talk calmly and politely to you and you answer aggressively, e.g. by insulting them, nobody cares what you were trying to say anymore. All we really register it that you are a fucktard incapable of having a civilized conversation.

inb4 AceHigh yapping furiously at me.

Really? After being on the internet for who knows how many years. I don't really have an issue filtering through the whole rant.

[vicious796]

First, I apologize for necro'ing this thread after a month. However, there is finally a picture and an estimated calorie/fat count on this bad boy. As per the article:

It costs a whopping $59 and checks in around 10,000 calories and 700 grams of fat, which means you’d have to split it about 10 ways to have it qualify as “really bad for you” rather than “will probably kill you.”

Picture and full story here:


http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/12/behold-10000-calories-and-59-dollars-of-the-strasburger/

[Ixarku]

That's not a meal that's a monstrosity.

[Soryon]

Id eat the shit out of those jalapenos and tomatoes up top.
Take out those toothpicks and you got a sweet appetizer tray, imo.

[1pwn3djo0h]

An 8-pound burger. Hmn. A quarter pounder can already smash my mush bag. How 'bout an 8-pound burger? I can just imagine eating the 5-pound dumbbell I'm lifting to lose the baby fats domiciled 'round my arms. My stomach will die.

EDIT after reading some of the posts:
The key to good health is moderation; there's actually no such thing as "Eating high-calorie food alone can quicken my existence." Almost all of the diseases known/unknown to man are caused by multiple factors. In Care Plans, they are called "Complex Factors."

And I'd have to agree with the genes thingy. According to a certain book I have read, genes is a major factor in determining the life span of a person--his health. One of the many things that is controlled by our genes is the discrimination and regulation of the resident floras inside our body, which contributes to metabolism. For example, some people are obese because they have a "slower" metabolism. Most of the nutrients they take in cannot be converted to energy. This will lead to the deposition of adipose tissues 'round the connective tissues, which obviously makes people fat and unhealthy. Some people also have a more active proto-oncogenes, which predisposes them to cancer and stuffs.

In conclusion, most of what you people have said are correct. It's just that, some people are more susceptible than others; and some may be affected by certain stuffs while others may not. Like, when I was still in college, I read a book that said there are people who cannot be affected by HIV--they are just plain immune to it--due to the absence of a certain receptor on the surface of the CD4. And also, like a specific diet is effective to someone but not to another person. No two people are completely the same.