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Human mind into a computer
criver:
Ever read Akumetsu/ watched the Matrix? + if you make a human mind into a computer you won't have all the physiological feedback from the body (so you'd have to also emulate the body etc.)
megido-rev.M:
--- Quote from: AceHigh on March 31, 2012, 02:33:03 AM --- (click to show/hide)Chill. We are machines ourselves, just made from a different material. As soon as we get full understanding of how our brain functions and have technology to create a computer with same or better specs, there will be no difference if our mind is in a biological machine, or a synthetic one.
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A misunderstanding. I am not dismissing the possibility of this idea. But merely adding a layer of abstraction onto it and related items does not really change much except mask some basic constraints.
--- Quote from: Nikkoru on March 31, 2012, 04:58:43 AM --- (click to show/hide)Greg Egan is one of my favourite science fiction authors on the subject of post-humanism and questions of ontology. If you ever find a copy of copy of Axiomatic -- or any of his books -- I suggest you pick it up.
This is one of his better short stories on the subject.
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I just skimmed it, and it appears to contain many subtopics I know of. Might read the rest later.
--- Quote from: rkruger on March 31, 2012, 05:35:05 AM ---For this to even remotely work, we need to first move away from the Von Neumann architecture. I think, what is needed, is a kind of hardware neural net system, that replicates the brain, just using other materials.
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Indeed, the system's architecture is one of the decisive factors. The material science does not really concern me, however.
--- Quote from: rkruger on March 31, 2012, 05:35:05 AM ---So what you are describing is a kind of DRM system on your brain, that's an interesting though. If we ever get this far, do you think we will have problems with "piracy" of people's minds? ;D
But back to Ixarku's original fear:
If we take a step way from computers, and imagine that we hypothetically could replicate entire molecular structures. (Just copy atom for atom.)
If you then make a copy of yourself, which one is the "you"? The original or the copy?
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It's kinda funny, I think there would probably be more ethical problems than "piracy". And concerning distinguishing the original, there might be something that would serve as a designation, but otherwise it would be just plain annoying to have to figure out.
I think physiology would fall under drivers and IO, but that would be oversimplifying things.
kitamesume:
actually i've been wondering about this for a while, though on a different point of view.
what if your mind becomes the I/O of a computer? you wouldn't need a mouse, keyboard nor touchscreen to use a computer.
whats more is that every task would be so precise that you wouldn't need to zoom in and click that damn tiny pixel.
on another note, what about piloting a droid through the internet? you'd be sleeping in a capsule forever and use the droid similar to avatar, replaceable to boot, and skin customizable! damn gonna be a smexy machine.
now onto the technicalities:
if they could make the interface between the mind and machine small enough to fit a sunglasses and add in a function of injecting images directly into your mind, similar to having hallucinations, and make the interface a wireless tool then you get whats similar to Mnemosyne's 4th arc.
criver:
--- Quote from: kitamesume on April 01, 2012, 07:28:34 AM ---actually i've been wondering about this for a while, though on a different point of view.
what if your mind becomes the I/O of a computer? you wouldn't need a mouse, keyboard nor touchscreen to use a computer.
whats more is that every task would be so precise that you wouldn't need to zoom in and click that damn tiny pixel.
on another note, what about piloting a droid through the internet? you'd be sleeping in a capsule forever and use the droid similar to avatar, replaceable to boot, and skin customizable! damn gonna be a smexy machine.
now onto the technicalities:
if they could make the interface between the mind and machine small enough to fit a sunglasses and add in a function of injecting images directly into your mind, similar to having hallucinations, and make the interface a wireless tool then you get whats similar to Mnemosyne's 4th arc.
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and if, and if... (watched to much movies?) :P
"But back to Ixarku's original fear:
If we take a step way from computers, and imagine that we hypothetically could replicate entire molecular structures. (Just copy atom for atom.)
If you then make a copy of yourself, which one is the "you"? The original or the copy?" - read Akumetsu seriously...(you could also read Gantz)
elvikun:
Well, as I said in the Ghost Love, hmans ARE, for all intents and purposes mashines operated by complex computer, only difference beween this and conventional mashines is the organic building material.
Why would it be disturbing to move the programming from one mashine to another, if such a thing would be possible?
On the other note, if you were able to copy the mind completly with all of it's features as they were, while destroying the original, the copy would be the original, especially if the person in question believed that. Question is whether the term "copy" applies at the first place.
Oh, and yes, immortality is overrated. Most people don't really think about the consequences much. On the other hand, immortality, in a sense no-aging with a chance to end it all at will is a whole different matter.
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