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Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai Dai 2-ki
Volusus:
What the fuck
I hate it when series end with crappy flashback/memory moment episodes. It was building up to something good when bitchface kept professing her love for homie g but then she went and fucked everything up by saying that he isn't åsome and cool anymore, instead of having a sweet boning session like those two deviants in Koi Kaze. asdfsdfgsfdg the only thing that kept people watching this show was the hinted incest factor but fizzled out hard.
, since the last few episodes before the last were pretty good and inclined my hopes.
PITCHFORKS!
vuzedome:
Garret02, why are you getting so worked up on an unrealistic situation?
Like I've mentioned at the beginning, what Manami said was realistic.
ph4zr:
Well, he did sort of give up on his whole "being awesome, I-can-do-anything" deal. When someone you admired that much suddenly "let's you down" by apparently betraying everything they stood for in your mind, yeah, sometimes you get pissed. In a sense, she kinda probably felt personally betrayed, as if everything was a lie.
Whether or not I agree with it, it's a bit similar to the whole "entitlement" thing with online authors/creators and their fanbases' reactions when they "screw up" the story (according to some portion of any given fanbase). To some, whether or not the change was justified, whether or not the other individual has a right to self-determination, such as it may exist, simply doesn't matter in comparison to the fact that their expectations were not met.
It's too bad the anime didn't manage to cover a bit more of the back-story regarding -why- he changed, though. I feel like that might've cleared up some things for some people.
Anyway! On to the OVA in August!
You do remember that there is an OVA, right? The show isn't "over" yet. There's still time to get your happy ending, or be horribly trolled, depending on how it turns out and what you wanted/expected. XD
Edit: Well, hell, if Management supports no spoilers, might as well make reading easier. ^^;
Garret02:
--- Quote from: vuzedome on July 01, 2013, 09:45:13 AM ---Garret02, why are you getting so worked up on an unrealistic situation?
Like I've mentioned at the beginning, what Manami said was realistic.
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"Oh crap, I'm out of arguments but I still don't want to admit I was wrong while still having the last word. Let's change the topic."
And no, I'm not getting worked up. I'm merely enjoying discussion (facepalm here and there can be refreshing). If we talked face to face you would be met by indifferent face and emotionless voice. Combined with this after some of your arguments. And this discussion is quite interesting because I find it very hard to understand majority of human relationships.
--- Quote from: ph4zr on July 01, 2013, 11:06:56 AM ---Well, he did sort of give up on his whole "being awesome, I-can-do-anything" deal. When someone you admired that much suddenly "let's you down" by apparently betraying everything they stood for in your mind, yeah, sometimes you get pissed. In a sense, she kinda probably felt personally betrayed, as if everything was a lie.
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And you are allowed to give up on anything and no one should give you shit about that (unless you're paid for doing thing on which you gave up). I can understand Kirio feeling betrayed by her brother. I can understand that she was pissed about that. What I can't understand, or rather I can, it's just that's the perfect example of being a total bitch, is acting on this "betrayal" like the whole world should do be to her liking. The only fault of Kyouske in this is that he didn't smack her good.
ph4zr:
Gwah... I've read the whole thread, if quickly, and I still can't figure out which comments of Manami's Vuzedome's post refer to. >.<
(click to show/hide)I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the view that individuals have a right to self-determination, such as it is. But human interactions, particularly in close relationships, can be quite complicated. Whether or not I understand it, whether or not you understand it (based on your comments regarding human relationships), often times people "meddle because they care" or "get upset because they care". One can see this often in things like "interventions" for individuals with severe gambling or drinking problems (I'm talking "destroying their lives" severity, not "occasionally is an asshole when drunk or on a string of bad luck").
In situations like that, it can be very upsetting to observers who want to think of themselves as more than just "spectators" in the person's life. It can be very hurtful to them to have to watch someone they care about tearing their own lives apart or "wasting" so much of their potential. For the less closely related, it can be painful to watch someone with more potential to surpass normal human limitations and be more than they are essentially waste their lives doing nothing.
Is it the right of a surgical genius to retire from surgery and take up acting?
Most definitely.
Is someone, certainly someone close to them, going to be pissed about it?
Quite possibly.
Is that right?
Who can say?
Is it human?
Most certainly.
Side note: I do not mean to imply that acting is a lesser profession. I am merely using an example of something that some might consider to be a "step down" in terms of value.
Anyway, it's anime, so I'm just going to ignore the "smacking" comment, although I do rather hope that wouldn't also be your proposed solution to someone in a similar situation in RL.
That aside, Kirino is a teenager still in her early-to-mid teens and, like it or not, during that particular period of development "immaturity" is perhaps the norm. There's a lot going on both physically and mentally, and rationality sometimes takes a back seat to all the chaos. Whether or not I agree with it or think it's an ideal response or justified in any real sense, her reaction to the situation isn't all that surprising, and might even be more or less expected of someone of her age and in her situation.
Well, maybe minus the whole imouto-eroge route the story takes.
If you consider the vocal reactions of posters online in response to analogous situations, you might even think it was the norm, even for individuals who are allegedly adults.
Anyway, I'm not arguing that Kirino isn't wrong to act the way she did. I am arguing that I think it's a bit harsh to judge her with such strict standards. Regardless of how I feel about humanity and whether I'm satisfied with its "norms", I think her reactions at the time were quite human.
On the flip side, I'm also not saying I think any of it was Kyousuke's or Manami's fault. I won't really go into LN details, but, in the long run, I think the changes to his personality to which Kirino reacted were in his best interest. Furthermore, as much as I generally don't care for Manami, I think her influence on Kyousuke, as well as her comments to Kirino, improved the situation, even if they did raise the tension level between the two siblings.
edit: "it's" != "its" *facepalm*
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