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Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai Dai 2-ki

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Garret02:
^ Again, being pissed off - fine. Acting like she did - not fine.
Excuse me, strict standards? Strict? Are we talking about the same person? Because I'm talking about someone who treated her brother like utter shit when she didn't ignore him (and it's not exaggeration, just in case, I'm not talking about season 2 only, I'm talking about both seasons and period before first season), beat him for no reason whatsoever and was completely ungrateful (visibly) for his help for majority of the series. And all this because her brother got bored with being hyper active. And for that I call her utter bitch. If that is harsh, then... I don't know... I don't know
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And yes, smacking people is my preferred solution to every problem. Because you see, using words against majority of people is like using electric type pokemon against grass type. There might be some effect but usually not really. Although due to the legal reason I constrained myself and learnt to not to give a fuck so I wouldn't hit people. But if someone hits me I don't care why or who he/she is, they are gettig hit back (unless ofcourse, they are much stronger than me, then I will die trying). And Kirino hit Kyouske few times. She's fully qualified for a good smacking.

ph4zr:
!Seinfeld! \o/

Hm... it's quite possible that my view is too heavily influenced by the LN and the side stories to view her in quite the same light. It's also possible that my experience with the world has led me to be more... "forgiving", as some might call it, or "condescending", as others (and I myself) might describe it, than what is perhaps the majority of individuals.

In any case, understanding her character and her motivations a bit more rather softened my view of her, so I am admittedly biased in that respect. I watched the same show, though. My overall opinion, pre-LN reading, was more of a "wow, she can't be honest with herself, can she?" type view. I thought she was pretty awful, yeah—if not to the point of hate—but toward the end of S1, and more so in S2, it really felt to me like it was just too awkward for her to just suddenly be all "onii-chan, daaaaaaaisuki" ('onii-chan, I looove you') than that she wanted to keep being so bitchy. After being the norm for so long, it can be pretty tough to make a change like that.

Granted, the example is a bit of an exaggeration. I actually would have a hard time imagining her saying something like that, but the point is I think a lot of it was an act or done out of habit. And I think Kyousuke, such as he is, understood that, at least on a subconscious level, and maybe even enjoyed it... being the M(asochist) that he is, and all. Sadly, the anime omits a lot of his internal monologue, meaning the viewer misses out on a lot of his personal perspective.

Mind, my choice of shows is probably very skewed toward the inclusion of tsundere, tsuntsun, and even yandere/yangire characters, so conversely I also have much looser standards for judging characters of those types than many others. Case in point: my favorite character in this show and in the LNs is Ayase, and has been for some time.

As for the other bit, well, it's probably best I don't get into an argument on that topic. I'll just settle with disagreeing with that particular life philosophy—from my predominately apathetic perspective, doing otherwise would not accomplish anything of sufficient value to justify the hassle.

(Re: Pokémon) Actually, if you're serious, a well leveled electric type Pokémon could utterly obliterate all but the immune types, so far as the common trash you'd encounter from NPCs or in the wild—which comprise the majority, if you don't do competitions, et cetera. I went through all of Pokémon Yellow with mostly just Pikachu when I was younger. XD

As a shounen protagonist might say: Where there's 『Passion』, there's a way!

Garret02:
Yup, I don't know LN Kirino but I still don't think much could justify her attitude (unless, idk, he raped her or something). Ofcourse if LN Kirino is anywhere near the S1 Kirino. Oh, I forgot that Kyouske is a masochist. That's actually a preatty good point for not smacking her.

Tsunderes are fine... up to a certain point.

This is why I used grass type ine the example, because like I said, it might have an effect albeit not strong enough. Personally, my Pikachu refused to do strongest attack (Thunder if my memory serves me right) about half the tries. And when he did he often missed. So I always needed strong backup.

ph4zr:
It's less about what happened to cause it and more about understanding her internal thought processes. Particularly the POV piece covering the same content as the first episode of S1, and v11 of the LN in particular, of which e13 of S2 barely scratched the surface.

Granted, v11 mostly just reinforces my view that "Kirino is 'simply human'"—that and it highlights how ridiculously dense Kyousuke is/can be. The side story is probably the only thing that might make any difference in terms of interpreting Kirino's character. In a sense, it's a bit like Tomoya's feeling toward his father in Clannad (based on anime only)—it has a lot to do with how they're being treated, as well.

Recall, they've been in that state ever since the flashback in e13, which was during Kyousuke's middle school years, and he's about to graduate HS when the anime takes place. Prior to the events of the anime, they mostly just didn't talk to each other. It's only after S1 e01 that she starts being really bitchy to him. As she put it then: "who are you to suddenly start acting like my brother, after all these years of treating me like a stranger?!" (paraphrased, possible changes to orig. meaning)

But, that's just me expanding on my previous rants. Most likely, if you didn't agree with my previous views that were inclined toward viewing Kirino in a softer light, those won't do much to influence your opinion, either. All I can say is: human interactions and relationships can be and often are incredibly complex.

A bit more of a jaded perspective, though: I am, quite honestly, probably reading waaaaay too much into Kirino's character, judging by the author and how he might have wanted to finish the story, if certain forum comments regarding the author's own comments are accurate (haven't checked the source myself—can't find the damned forum post anymore, either).

As Kirino might describe it, the entire novel might be considered one giant "self-satisfaction piece" (or if you prefer...)... ^^; Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it, but who knows what the author's motivations for writing the characters that way were?

megido-rev.M:
No idea.

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