Watching 10 bit anime on flatscreen TV's ***GUIDE***

[kitamesume]

^exactly, but the main point why it bloated that much are those nessessities like having to be fanless and such.

well the 80W psu is a pico PSU, which tends to play at around 40-60$, 70+$ for wide voltage input meaning you can use batteries to run them, provided that the batteries can supply the amperage.

i already noted that if you cut the crap about the other stuffs it could go 300$ish, or around 300$-400$.

[Bob2004]

Even silent should still be a lot cheaper than that. Or, at least quiet enough that you can't hear it when it's on the other side of the room from you, by the TV. A WD Green conventional hard drive (one of the AV versions preferably, since they're slightly more reliable in my experience) is near silent, and you should be able to get a quiet fanless CPU and GPU for a reasonable amount. The case/motherboard don't make so much difference to sound, so you can manage quite a bit cheaper on them without sacrificing quietness too.

You should be able to get a 200w or so ITX PSU which runs silently, or near enough, dirt cheap as well - though if you want to run it off batteries for some reason, I suppose that Pico PSU would be better (assuming 80w is powerful enough, which I'm not sure about).

[vuzedome]

I wouldn't do 80W, just get a decent PSU, even the cheapo ones are silent enough.

[NaRu]

Why would anyone need a silent HTPC anyways.If you use the stock cooler from Intel, those fans don't make that much noise and PSU also doesn't make much noise. If you get a sandy bridge CPU you don't need a GPU because the CPU would be able to output 1080p video with ease.

[megido-rev.M]

Total silence is not entirely necessary for all the components anyway. If they're quiet (i.e. rush air at worst), and the machine's not right next to one's face, the only place the noise is audible is in a quiet acoustic room. Audio playback would mask the noise as well.

[NaRu]

Also you make the HTPC very small as well. You can just use a 2.5" HDD and use the network instead. Plus you can software like My movies and host your anime through that program and use Windows Media Center to view the shows you have.

[halfelite]

Well 10-bit is now, and I doubt the next video codec standard will be picked up any faster than 10-bit.
And we are talking about now, not the future, now.
So HTPC does it all, 10-bit AVC, Bitstream HD audio, and even gaming and the other stuff a standard PC is capable of doing.
We're now seeing televisions and HD media players having all that social media crap installed in as well, but you need to pay more.

10bit is not now Its an anime only type thing and will most likely stay that way. H264 was adapted in hardware players way before anime started using h264 they were still messing with avi/OGM, if H265 is the next standard hardware players would support it the second it came out with full standards same way they did h264.   

@halfelite
absolute silence on an HTPC? easy.

[52+75$] G530(or i3-2100T) + Noctua NH-C12P SE14(minus the fan)
[45$] GT520 + fanless option / HD6450 + fanless option
[45$] 2x4GB ram kit (kingston maybe?)
[100$] ITX/M-ATX motherboard+ built-in Wifi (for ease of access, not necessary)
[128$] SSD 120GB
[75$] Pico PSU 80W
[100$] a CASE of choice
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[620$] sum of it all? an absolute silent rig

yaaaa its expensive, but cut the craps its pretty much 300$ish there.
Edit: wait i forgot the ram...

620 x 5 is a big sum of money if I would replace everything, I have nothing against HTPC's I used to run them in the past But between then and Now hardware players were always better and cheaper, I have no need to play games all my family does is watch Media with them and they work. With the advancement of openelec htpc is becoming a better option, But before it was a pain to setup remotes, get all the audio settings right, And you used to have to use multiple players inside the htpc software to run certain videos,  And by small form factor I mean 2.5" side drive small is about the size of some hardware players these days, not to mention they use very little wattage hence im more interested in the arm/mali combo as they are very little wattage and the size of a usb stick then running a full fledged intel soltuion.  I have nothing against Anime going 10bit it seemed silly for the switch but encoders choose to do what they want to do if I have to bring ti back to 8bit to watch it im happy as my anime watching is maybe 10% of my total viewing of media now.

And total silence is almost a must, if you run them 24/7 and keep them in bedrooms, Yes some people can sleep with a fan noise others can not, Its all personal preference on what you like and what works for your setups,

Duki3003 edit: Don't double post.

[Kam]

10bit is not now Its an anime only type thing and will most likely stay that way.

That's not true. 10-bit encodes can be found for Western live-action shows and movies, too. I just downloaded a 1080p 10-bit Blu-ray encode of Game of Thrones season one.

[vuzedome]

Well 10-bit is now, and I doubt the next video codec standard will be picked up any faster than 10-bit.
And we are talking about now, not the future, now.
So HTPC does it all, 10-bit AVC, Bitstream HD audio, and even gaming and the other stuff a standard PC is capable of doing.
We're now seeing televisions and HD media players having all that social media crap installed in as well, but you need to pay more.

10bit is not now Its an anime only type thing and will most likely stay that way. H264 was adapted in hardware players way before anime started using h264 they were still messing with avi/OGM, if H265 is the next standard hardware players would support it the second it came out with full standards same way they did h264.   

H264 in hardware players before anime? Man you have to be kidding me, the commercial hardware players before couldn't do a shit about H264 back then. Even if that's true, we're in a Anime forum discussing 10-bit anime playback. Of course when you have a machine capable of 10-bit running smoothly then all the other videos won't really have much of a problem.

And why are you having your little box of wonders sitting in your bedroom? It's suppose to be near your tele. Oh you got everything in your room huh? Well hook that damn PC up already.

[halfelite]

H264 in hardware players before anime? Man you have to be kidding me, the commercial hardware players before couldn't do a shit about H264 back then. Even if that's true, we're in a Anime forum discussing 10-bit anime playback. Of course when you have a machine capable of 10-bit running smoothly then all the other videos won't really have much of a problem.

And why are you having your little box of wonders sitting in your bedroom? It's suppose to be near your tele. Oh you got everything in your room huh? Well hook that damn PC up already.

first commercial h264 players hit the market 2006, first chip to come out was 2005, think back to 2005 there were a few h264 anime releases but most were still all using xvid/avi.

I have a tv in the bedroom, As well as in the family room, as well as the two other bedrooms and the office, People have more then one tv. I think a lot of you only have a single tv, And dont think about a whole house setup. Like I said nothing wrong with using a PC but for my setup it just doesnt work.  I have 5 players, all accessing an NFS share and sharing a same database of watched/content filters and so on, With built in child modes for when the kids want to watch something, only shows kids content.

its not money wise for me to build 5 htpcs with the current hardware there is, nor is it feasible to ask the wife and kids to lug the laptop to whatever room they want to watch something in and hook it up everytime.  My newest player for my hidden setup is

Power-on consumption < (W):4.0
L (cm):   8.5
W (cm):   5.2
H (cm):   1.6

If you could build me an htpc with the same specs I would be all over it. the only thing close right now is the cottoncandy fxi and the cubox

[vuzedome]

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Oh man you're no fun at all.

Mainstream pickup only happened around the last 2 years, so even if it did came out much earlier, like I said, no one gave any shit about it back then.

The final draft for the first H264 was released in 2003.
Well at least the commercial hardware media players will get to see some long use before being phased out.

Well we're doing this from 2 different views so of course we have disagreements.
However my reasoning still stands, this is anime and this is 10-bit.

[halfelite]

yup we can agree to disagree, if all i watched was anime, and only had one tv, I would be all over an htpc but they are just not for me or my family at this time. Like i said I always keep my options open I have a cubox on order to check what it can do, to see if down the road it can replace my hardware players. But for now im stuck re-encoding 10bit to 8 bit for myself,

[costi]

in your case you didn't even opted to have a margin at all, since ION is border-line able to play 1080p.

About 30% GPU load and 10% CPU load while playing a 40Mbit h264 1080p stream (google killasampla) is borderline?

if you've thought about it for a sec there a SNB G530+ITX mobo+GT520 would've costed you about the same with a huge margin for improvement.

When I was buying my Revo 3610 Sandy Bridge was the talk of the future, s1156 was just becoming mainstream and nobody was even thinking about 10-bit encoding. I was considering a Core2Duo setup, but it would've been quite expensive. I almost bought a Zotac 9300ITX board, but then found a used Acer Revo 3610 with warranty for the price of the board alone and didn't think twice.

if you're gonna argue about power consumption against this setup i've mentioned then you aren't looking at reviews carefully.

I am, I'm even writing some of them ION is still unbeatable when it comes to power consumption, so far only the Arctic MC001 (Atom D525 + Radeon 5430) comes close (34W tops when running a heavy game benchmark).

and if you'll argue about the noise this'll give off then you aren't looking at the market carefully, theres a whole variety of passive GT520, and the G530 can be passively cooled as well.

Yeah, noise isn't a problem. In fact, it's easier to keep a G530 quiet than a nettop, where you're stuck with whatever the manufacturer invented (at least without nasty hackjobs).

well thats what i think anyway.

As I wrote above, the situation now is kinda different. When I was buying my box it was all about 8-bit, so focusing on GPU decoding was very reasonable. And it still is, I think, if the focus isn't anime alone. Non-anime stuff is and will be 8-bit for a long time (because STBs, TVs and standalone players support it), so for someone who doesn't watch too much anime, it isn't a problem.

Edit: oh and expect the up coming new profile or format to not be supported by current and/or old hardwares, what was it again? H.625?

By the time it becomes mainstream, I will buy new hardware and the Revo will become a seedbox (if it still works) I don't expect it to be quite some time, though, a lot of money was invested into h264-compatible hardware (not only on the receiver end, H264 4:2:2 is just now appearing in broadcast encoders), so I don't expect a successor anytime soon.

[Antares16M2]

Method two.

Step One: Plug your computer into your TV.
Step Two: There is no step two.

exactly thats what i do

[1212magicman]

OP why in the hell don't you just connect your TV to your computer via HDMI or DVI? I'm doing this as we speak on my 47" LED 1080P TV. So no need to convert anything.

[kitamesume]

^ ish because this thread is months old, pro bump is pro.