Who will be Romney's running mate?

[elvikun]

It's all boring and irrelevant ever since Santorum left. I miss his "If you though about gay sex as much as I do..." the "Obama is a nigg-ehrmcoughcough" and the cryptic horror like video of his about how the US will essentially turn into Silent Hill before 2014 if he won't be the preident.

[Nikkoru]

It's all boring and irrelevant ever since Santorum left. I miss his "If you though about gay sex as much as I do..." the "Obama is a nigg-ehrmcoughcough" and the cryptic horror like video of his about how the US will essentially turn into Silent Hill before 2014 if he won't be the preident.

He's still got nothing on Hermain Cain, nothing at all.

[elvikun]

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It's all boring and irrelevant ever since Santorum left. I miss his "If you though about gay sex as much as I do..." the "Obama is a nigg-ehrmcoughcough" and the cryptic horror like video of his about how the US will essentially turn into Silent Hill before 2014 if he won't be the preident.

He's still got nothing on Hermain Cain, nothing at all.

...Okay. I haven't seen those.
Now, half-dead animals and creepy kids are one thing... But I'm still confused, who the hell can actually decide or be sympathetic thanks to those videos.

But Santorum is still better over all. I mean, vow to remove any and all porn from internet by any means necessary, also the part about "free speech" on the internet is dangerous and has to be monitored 

[Nikkoru]

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It's all boring and irrelevant ever since Santorum left. I miss his "If you though about gay sex as much as I do..." the "Obama is a nigg-ehrmcoughcough" and the cryptic horror like video of his about how the US will essentially turn into Silent Hill before 2014 if he won't be the preident.

He's still got nothing on Hermain Cain, nothing at all.

...Okay. I haven't seen those.
Now, half-dead animals and creepy kids are one thing... But I'm still confused, who the hell can actually decide or be sympathetic thanks to those videos.

But Santorum is still better over all. I mean, vow to remove any and all porn from internet by any means necessary, also the part about "free speech" on the internet is dangerous and has to be monitored 

No, Hermain Cain's still more hilarious. Santorum is just a Ned Flanders wannabe.

Plus, showing up late to his own concession speech was simply brilliant. It's like "fuck you, I'm Hermain Cain"

[Burkingam]

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It's all boring and irrelevant ever since Santorum left. I miss his "If you though about gay sex as much as I do..." the "Obama is a nigg-ehrmcoughcough" and the cryptic horror like video of his about how the US will essentially turn into Silent Hill before 2014 if he won't be the preident.

He's still got nothing on Hermain Cain, nothing at all.

First, I notice the comment sections for both videos are not censured which is fucking rare on a republican channel, second, I notice half of the comments are complains about how mean it is to kill a bunny and a fish. Fucking hypocrites! Never mind that I don't think any of them were actually killed to make the video, he was trying to make a point, and though I disagree with said point, it's still a 10 times better reason to kill an animal than what people usually did. Almost everyone kill animals for their own amusement. We don't actually need to eat meat. Ovo-lacto vegetarianism is actually a more balanced diet than than what most people eat. And how many would have cared if he had just blown out a big chunk of meat?

P.S. I still think Cain is an idiot.

[elvikun]

Hey, there can't be anything wrong with a guy who quotes Pokemon as part of his campaign.

I should rephrase tho, I think Santorum was not only hillarious but also dangerous. For everyone inside and outside of US. Kind of like Bush on Jesus-meth.

I wouldn't call eating a meat product "Killing animals for amusement" tho.

[Burkingam]

I wouldn't call eating a meat product "Killing animals for amusement" tho.

And why not? They were killed just so that you can eat them and the only reason you eat them is because you like it.  Am I missing anything?

[Ixarku]

I wouldn't call eating a meat product "Killing animals for amusement" tho.

And why not? They were killed just so that you can eat them and the only reason you eat them is because you like it.  Am I missing anything?

I take my consumption of meat very seriously, thank you.
 
Edit - actually, I take that back.  I do occasionally find myself cackling insanely as I stand in the grocery store poking a package of hamburger repeatedly.

[elvikun]

I wouldn't call eating a meat product "Killing animals for amusement" tho.

And why not? They were killed just so that you can eat them and the only reason you eat them is because you like it.  Am I missing anything?

Well I'd rather not get into the evolution thing again, but people are after meat, it's kind of their nature. You can survive without it just fine, sure. You can survive without washing your whole life too and most people don't call it using up water for amusement. We now have millions of pigs, cows and chicken and their whole purpose is to die and be eaten. No amusement is involved.

I'm basically a vegentarian, but still.

[Burkingam]

I wouldn't call eating a meat product "Killing animals for amusement" tho.

And why not? They were killed just so that you can eat them and the only reason you eat them is because you like it.  Am I missing anything?

Well I'd rather not get into the evolution thing again, but people are after meat, it's kind of their nature. You can survive without it just fine, sure. You can survive without washing your whole life too and most people don't call it using up water for amusement. We now have millions of pigs, cows and chicken and their whole purpose is to die and be eaten. No amusement is involved.

I'm basically a vegentarian, but still.

Not washing yourself would be unhealthy. Not eating meat would still be healthy. Your comparison doesn't apply.

And I see no dichotomy between "we breed millions of pigs, cows and chicken just for our culinary amusement" and "in the process we also kill them for our amusement".

@Ixaeku I'm saying "amusement" as a synonym of "entertainment" or "enjoyment" or "fun".

[elvikun]

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I wouldn't call eating a meat product "Killing animals for amusement" tho.

And why not? They were killed just so that you can eat them and the only reason you eat them is because you like it.  Am I missing anything?

Well I'd rather not get into the evolution thing again, but people are after meat, it's kind of their nature. You can survive without it just fine, sure. You can survive without washing your whole life too and most people don't call it using up water for amusement. We now have millions of pigs, cows and chicken and their whole purpose is to die and be eaten. No amusement is involved.

I'm basically a vegentarian, but still.

Not washing yourself would be unhealthy. Not eating meat would still be healthy. Your comparison doesn't apply.

And I see no dichotomy between "we breed millions of pigs, cows and chicken just for our culinary amusement" and "in the process we also kill them for our amusement".

@Ixaeku I'm saying "amusement" as a synonym of "entertainment" or "enjoyment" or "fun".

Oh. You can survive without ever having a shower. Many humans in the history never really washed apart from slipping and falling to the river. Saying humans can survive without meat is not very ...credible, so to say, because it never has been tested. Humans always ate meat. Vegetarians are a new thing and most eat meat or some sort of related products anyway.
So... yeah. Comparisation really doesn't apply.

Dichotomy - You really talk like that? But I see a difference between "I enjoy killing animals" and "I enjoy a hamburger." You don't? Anyone who eats meat or any related product enjoys killing animals? That is just so over the top.
You don't have to support, agree with or find any process enjoyable to enjoy the final product.

[Nikkoru]

You don't have to support, agree with or find any process enjoyable to enjoy the final product.

QED

[Burkingam]

Oh. You can survive without ever having a shower. Many humans in the history never really washed apart from slipping and falling to the river. Saying humans can survive without meat is not very ...credible, so to say, because it never has been tested. Humans always ate meat. Vegetarians are a new thing and most eat meat or some sort of related products anyway.
So... yeah. Comparisation really doesn't apply.

You couldn't be more wrong. There have been vegetarian Jains and Buddhists since the 6th century BC, and for much of history, it has been mainstream in India. The diet was known and practiced by some Ancient greeks and Romans. It is not a new by any standard.

As for your affirmation that it has never been tested, I see you didn't do your homework on this one. Searching "vegetarian" on pubmed will give you 3052 results and if you look at the titles about 1/4 of them are about the health effect of vegetarianism. The hypothesis that a meatless diet has a negative impact on health has been throughput falsified. And it's widely known that a no meat or a low meat diet.

And already told you why you comparison with not washing yourself doesn't apply and you have completely ignored it. It is not healthy. In increases the risks of infections if you get wounded, or of disease contagion. Not to mention the obvious social consequence which is not shared with vegetarianism. Not stop throwing this redhearing will you.

Dichotomy - You really talk like that? But I see a difference between "I enjoy killing animals" and "I enjoy a hamburger." You don't? Anyone who eats meat or any related product enjoys killing animals? That is just so over the top.
You don't have to support, agree with or find any process enjoyable to enjoy the final product.

Yes I speak like that and I don't change what I said. I said they are "killing animals for their amusement" not "they find it amusing to kill animals". The day where people way only eat in vitro meat my comment will no longer apply.

[AceHigh]

I am somehow not surprised that a thread about Republicans derailed into a discussion about not showering 

[elvikun]

@Burk
To say humans can really survive without meant you'd have to do complex study spanning over few generation, and I don't think anyone did  that. Diet lasting limited time on one person can't really prove or disprove anything. In theory - yes very much possible, long-term effects unknown. I actually believe it is possible.

I admit that "washing" is a bad example, example nothteless. If you don't eat any meat prodcts will you die? No. Possible negative health consequences? Yes. Goes double if you don't watch what exactly you eat.
If you never wash will die? No. Possible negative heath consequences? Yes. Social consequences, well, I don't think there were any in the time where people led that kind of life. Injury and infection hardly applies, as it's not a directly caused by being filthy.

If you do something for amusement, it means it  amuses you, when something amuses you, you find it to be amusing. Killing animals for amusement and to find killing animals to be amusing is the same. If you say "enjoy" it sounds even more extreme.
That aside, following this line, if you buy a a toy from china and enjoy it, you enjoy heavy child labor / forced prison labor in many cases. If you live in certain houses you might just as well enjoy illegal workers and their sad life.

This is incredible guild trip logic. No matter what you do, it will sound real bad at the end. I mean for crying out loud, if you chew a chewing gum, you enjoy killing cows and if you wash it down by a good leaf tea you enjoy exploiting of eastern tea farmers.

@Ace
Cain killed a fish. It's the grand cause.

[xfreidax]

What complex study do you need? People have been on vegetarian diets for centuries. Last I checked, the same cultures that practice some form of vegetarian diet centuries ago are still practicing it now and are alive and thriving. Of course it's possible. 

[elvikun]

@X
People also say there was this 600 yours old guy at that time...
To be somewhat accurate, I guess you should have at least two or three generations of people who never had any meat products where you can really test on the third. Things like vitamin deficiency, severe joints problems, protein deficiency and about hundert of other things do not manifest overnight and it could be interesting to see what effects there might be across generations. Also I never said that if you stop eating meat you drop dead.

[Burkingam]

@elvikun Do you still believe what you are saying or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? When I and then xfreidax said that people have been on vegetarian diets for centuries we mean that generations after generations since the 6th century BC people in India have been vegetarians, keeping this tradition from parent to children for millenia. Nowadays it's 40% of the second most populous country who never eat meat. It's also one of the most commonly studied country when it comes to assessing the health effect of a lactovegetarian or an Ovo-lacto vegetarian diet. There have been thousands of studies on the subject. And even if you tackle the question from a purely theoretical point of view, there is no know essential nutrients that can't easily be found in a lactovegetarian diet. We are not talking about a few indirect evidences and or an ancient book written by shepherds, we are talking about an overwhelming amount of scientific evidences that the ovolactovegetarian and lactovegetarian diets are either as healthy or healthier than an omnivore diet.

[AceHigh]

You can abuse any kind of diet. God only know how many vegans don't get essential nutrients just because they don't know of the products that would replace meat.

Now wrap this shit up, it somehow feels wrong to see pussy stuff like vegetarianism in a thread dedicated to republicans who would slaughter cute bunnies and eat them raw out of spite.

[elvikun]

@Burk
Healthy on some fronts, unhealthy on others. That's a simple fact. Monks and group of people in India are  cool thing, not credible research in any concievable way. They are alive. That's an ovewhelming scientific fact. I prolly wouldn't be vegatarian if I believed you die the day you stop eating meat.

And in all honesty, I'm more interested in your guild trip logic because it's amazing. Just felt that this could keep you going.