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Who will be Romney's running mate?
elvikun:
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--- Quote from: Burkingam on April 18, 2012, 09:42:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: elvikun on April 18, 2012, 09:34:36 AM ---I wouldn't call eating a meat product "Killing animals for amusement" tho.
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And why not? They were killed just so that you can eat them and the only reason you eat them is because you like it. Am I missing anything?
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Well I'd rather not get into the evolution thing again, but people are after meat, it's kind of their nature. You can survive without it just fine, sure. You can survive without washing your whole life too and most people don't call it using up water for amusement. We now have millions of pigs, cows and chicken and their whole purpose is to die and be eaten. No amusement is involved.
I'm basically a vegentarian, but still.
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Not washing yourself would be unhealthy. Not eating meat would still be healthy. Your comparison doesn't apply.
And I see no dichotomy between "we breed millions of pigs, cows and chicken just for our culinary amusement" and "in the process we also kill them for our amusement".
@Ixaeku I'm saying "amusement" as a synonym of "entertainment" or "enjoyment" or "fun".
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Oh. You can survive without ever having a shower. Many humans in the history never really washed apart from slipping and falling to the river. Saying humans can survive without meat is not very ...credible, so to say, because it never has been tested. Humans always ate meat. Vegetarians are a new thing and most eat meat or some sort of related products anyway.
So... yeah. Comparisation really doesn't apply.
Dichotomy - You really talk like that? But I see a difference between "I enjoy killing animals" and "I enjoy a hamburger." You don't? Anyone who eats meat or any related product enjoys killing animals? That is just so over the top.
You don't have to support, agree with or find any process enjoyable to enjoy the final product.
Nikkoru:
--- Quote from: elvikun on April 18, 2012, 10:43:43 AM ---You don't have to support, agree with or find any process enjoyable to enjoy the final product.
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QED
Burkingam:
--- Quote from: elvikun on April 18, 2012, 10:43:43 AM ---Oh. You can survive without ever having a shower. Many humans in the history never really washed apart from slipping and falling to the river. Saying humans can survive without meat is not very ...credible, so to say, because it never has been tested. Humans always ate meat. Vegetarians are a new thing and most eat meat or some sort of related products anyway.
So... yeah. Comparisation really doesn't apply.
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You couldn't be more wrong. There have been vegetarian Jains and Buddhists since the 6th century BC, and for much of history, it has been mainstream in India. The diet was known and practiced by some Ancient greeks and Romans. It is not a new by any standard.
As for your affirmation that it has never been tested, I see you didn't do your homework on this one. Searching "vegetarian" on pubmed will give you 3052 results and if you look at the titles about 1/4 of them are about the health effect of vegetarianism. The hypothesis that a meatless diet has a negative impact on health has been throughput falsified. And it's widely known that a no meat or a low meat diet.
And already told you why you comparison with not washing yourself doesn't apply and you have completely ignored it. It is not healthy. In increases the risks of infections if you get wounded, or of disease contagion. Not to mention the obvious social consequence which is not shared with vegetarianism. Not stop throwing this redhearing will you.
--- Quote from: elvikun on April 18, 2012, 10:43:43 AM ---Dichotomy - You really talk like that? But I see a difference between "I enjoy killing animals" and "I enjoy a hamburger." You don't? Anyone who eats meat or any related product enjoys killing animals? That is just so over the top.
You don't have to support, agree with or find any process enjoyable to enjoy the final product.
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Yes I speak like that and I don't change what I said. I said they are "killing animals for their amusement" not "they find it amusing to kill animals". The day where people way only eat in vitro meat my comment will no longer apply.
AceHigh:
I am somehow not surprised that a thread about Republicans derailed into a discussion about not showering ;D
elvikun:
@Burk
To say humans can really survive without meant you'd have to do complex study spanning over few generation, and I don't think anyone did that. Diet lasting limited time on one person can't really prove or disprove anything. In theory - yes very much possible, long-term effects unknown. I actually believe it is possible.
I admit that "washing" is a bad example, example nothteless. If you don't eat any meat prodcts will you die? No. Possible negative health consequences? Yes. Goes double if you don't watch what exactly you eat.
If you never wash will die? No. Possible negative heath consequences? Yes. Social consequences, well, I don't think there were any in the time where people led that kind of life. Injury and infection hardly applies, as it's not a directly caused by being filthy.
If you do something for amusement, it means it amuses you, when something amuses you, you find it to be amusing. Killing animals for amusement and to find killing animals to be amusing is the same. If you say "enjoy" it sounds even more extreme.
That aside, following this line, if you buy a a toy from china and enjoy it, you enjoy heavy child labor / forced prison labor in many cases. If you live in certain houses you might just as well enjoy illegal workers and their sad life.
This is incredible guild trip logic. No matter what you do, it will sound real bad at the end. I mean for crying out loud, if you chew a chewing gum, you enjoy killing cows and if you wash it down by a good leaf tea you enjoy exploiting of eastern tea farmers.
@Ace
Cain killed a fish. It's the grand cause.
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