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Who will be Romney's running mate?
elvikun:
--- Quote from: Burkingam on April 18, 2012, 08:04:53 PM --- BTW who said anything about Indian vegans?
@elvikun I'm not sure how "Even PETA vegans enjoy killing animals by [my] standard" exactly. I didn't even say that meat-eaters enjoy killing animals, I said they killed them for there enjoyment. You understand the difference, right? In the first you kill them because you like killing them and in the second you kill them because that gives you something you enjoy.
And please try harder to looks at links I show you:
(click to show/hide)2.Blood pressure of omnivorous and semi-vegetarian postmenopausal women and their relationship with dietary and hair concentrations of essential and toxic metals.
6.Chinese Lacto-Vegetarian Diet Exerts Favorable Effects on Metabolic Parameters, Intima-Media Thickness, and Cardiovascular Risks in Healthy Men.
20.Vegetarian diets and blood pressure among white subjects: results from the Adventist Health Study-2 (AHS-2).
26.Assessment of the influence of vegetarian diet on the occurrence of erosive and abrasive cavities in hard tooth tissues.
27.Diet-dependent net endogenous acid load of vegan diets in relation to food groups and bone health-related nutrients: results from the German Vegan Study.
And it goes on for 153 pages (or 3052 publications), so stop acting like we don't know anything about the effect of a meatless diet on the health. You can not honestly say that vegetarianism is unhealthy. That's asinine. We know that's not true.
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Well. You used India as an example of people who never tasted meat for generations.
And the bathing - I have said it's not ideal, but it's valid. Just as avoiding meat products it won't kill you. It even might make your like better at some turns. If you can stand the negative effects. Just because you don't understand as it seem, doesn't rended it wrong. The people who never touched water were there and not in small numbers and their descandants are still here too, obviously.
You say that eating meat products means the given person is killing animals for amusement. I Have already said...
--- Quote ---If you do something for amusement, it means it amuses you, when something amuses you, you find it to be amusing. Killing animals for amusement and to find killing animals to be amusing is the same. If you say "enjoy" it sounds even more extreme.
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...If a PETA member uses a chewing gun, bang, enjoys killing cows.
And the links are cool, but I won't go trouh 3000 of often unrelated papers. As for what you named... Not a single one is about the subject, why would you even quote that?
Saras:
--- Quote from: Burkingam on April 18, 2012, 08:04:53 PM ---@Saras BTW who said anything about Indian vegans? I specifically said lactovegetarian and ovolactovegetarian. And since when do we need more calorie intensive food really? It's funny and I thought obesity was becoming pandemic. Beside :peanut butter, cake, cheese, croissants, chocolate, cookies, sweeties... it's not like there is no calorie-rich vegetarian food. And no the "bathing" point was pretty bad. However you look at it, people don't bath just because they like it. It's a red herring that's all this is.
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And I have no knowledge of what either of those two terms mean. Vegans are simply vegans to me, I couldn't give a rat's ass as to how they sub-categorize themselves.
And to my knowledge vegans have always been classified as "not eating meat, dairy produce and eggs". And without which, you can't really make any of "cake, cheese, croissants, chocolate, cookies, sweeties..." at least not from the recipes I know of. Oh yeah, peanut butter is a non-general consumption item near these parts of the world. While it isn't non-existant, it's not exactly something you will find in every household. Or even one in five.
Also, the only thing rich in protein out of your given selection is cheese, which generally consists of 10 parts fat for every 9 parts of protein. Compared to a usual stakes 5 parts protein to 2 parts fat. Furthermore, the body has a far larger absorption rate of protein out of meat products at the mid 90's percentage rate compared to other sources at around mid 80's. Thus they are a pretty poor substitute from a building block point of view.
Obesity while a rising problem, is not exactly universal.
It isn't the best argument by a long shot. But the point still stands, you do not have to take baths, there have been many people in history to shun bathing, just as there were people to shun meat. Also you didn't really persuade me to believe that eating meat is the equivalent of "slaughter for entertainment", it still seems like a non sequitor argument whose only purpose is to guilt trip.
Fine, finished reading till the end of the squabble. Not vegans, good enough, but why create new terminology for simply "not eating meat"? What exactly does it serve when comparable terminology already exists that isn't synonymous with the group you are speaking about? And even then, it doesn't change the fact that the high calorie food you gave as examples of substitutes for meat have inherently different compositions, not exactly in a favourable manner.
undetz:
Two people arguing stupidly with one person arguing smartly... I wonder where this will go.
SeventyX7:
What the fuck? I just had to double-take that I was in the "Who will be Romney's running mate?" thread.
What is all this shit about veganism and PETA?
Burkingam:
Followed several complains for our derailment, I'm moving this conversation here.
--- Quote from: undetz on April 18, 2012, 09:04:45 PM ---Two people arguing stupidly with one person arguing smartly... I wonder where this will go.
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I hope you are enjoying your popcorn.
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