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elvikun:
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--- Quote from: elvikun on May 04, 2012, 12:04:36 PM ---And how are rigts of men inferior to women over there? Just wondering.
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Rights are the same, but women kept the perks and didn't take the burdens. For example a man is badly positioned when it comes to taking custody over children unless mother is some crackwhore that is deemed unsuitable as a mother. Then there is no conscription for women. It is not easy for men to take paternal leave as it is for women even though the law states that both parents should have the possibility to have equal amount paternal leave after birth. The list goes on...
--- Quote ---I still see problems tho, such as employment in ceratin areas, even if you have better references and degrees, it's still very likely that a man will get chosen over you, because, well, he's a man.
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And with all the affirmative action laws it is more likely that a woman with inferior qualification will get a job because the company needs to fill the quota of women. The most extreme example we had was a corporation owner who was criticized for not having any women at executive board, so his answer was "It's a family business, god gave me 2 sons but no daughters, that's why I don't have any women in that position". Feminists and politicians were not amused.
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Well, I would argue about the first. It's not really a "bonus" right, it's an antiquated tradition, women must stay home with kids and kids will stay with mother no matter what. Which is actually changing very, very slowly. But on the other hand, the number of men who want to stay home with kids or take kids while divorcing is really, really small. If more men wanted the kids, the fairness of the laws (or rather the opinion and rulling of courts) on the matter would change more quickly I believe.
No conscription? I mean... should I even comment on that?
On the second one, it wasn't really a speculation. Yes, you are more likely to get a job as a receptioninst or secretary if you are a woman than a man, but when it comes higher positions and more "technical" jobs, you are pretty much screwed in many cases. Family busyness is a bit of case for it's own, noone can tell those what is right or wrong, but women in the higher eshelons of power in general are still rather rare and again, in majority of cases it has nothing to do with experience or abilities.
There is still a work to be done. But not on the paper, laws and rights are nice and all, but those things here are cultural traditions from the past, that doesn't go away because of a new law. Which neither side seems to understand.
undetz:
--- Quote from: elvikun on May 04, 2012, 02:58:41 PM ---No conscription? I mean... should I even comment on that?
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Yes, you should.
elvikun:
--- Quote from: undetz on May 04, 2012, 03:08:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: elvikun on May 04, 2012, 02:58:41 PM ---No conscription? I mean... should I even comment on that?
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Yes, you should.
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Well, might vary from country to country, but it seems to be pretty damn hard to get to army even if you want to and that's only for administrative / supportive positions, for actual "soldier" it's harder yet, even impossible for some, so yes, it seems rather logical that there is no conscription.
There is also the mentality about army included. Which is another tradition, but eh.
Saras:
--- Quote from: elvikun on May 04, 2012, 03:28:47 PM ---
--- Quote from: undetz on May 04, 2012, 03:08:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: elvikun on May 04, 2012, 02:58:41 PM ---No conscription? I mean... should I even comment on that?
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Yes, you should.
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Well, might vary from country to country, but it seems to be pretty damn hard to get to army even if you want to and that's only for administrative / supportive positions, for actual "soldier" it's harder yet, even impossible for some, so yes, it seems rather logical that there is no conscription.
There is also the mentality about army included. Which is another tradition, but eh.
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The two highest positions available in Lithuania are currently held by women The President, The Prime Minister. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the highest position in the army currently also belongs to a woman.
And yes, generally speaking. It is true that executive boards and the like are mostly populated by men. However, so are the gutters. Most women reside in "the middle" of the work force, but that's a position most men can't really match.
AceHigh:
Of course, the famous tradition. Basically you are saying anything that would be favourable to women is "equal rights" and "feminism", when it comes to exempts from burdens that should be eliminated for the true equality, then lets hide behind "tradition".
This is what in short ticks me off about the whole feminist movement. It's pick and choose whatever women want. No, I am all for equality, but I want it to go all the way and both ways for both genders.
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