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elvikun:
@undetz
Well absolutely. I think noone should.
I'm for proffesional army. Also allows for more individual approach. Equality is a nice word, but everyone is different. It just seems to me that the army looks at a person, finds out what are they good at and makes them do the opposite at the moment.
@Kadath
If we were to be really fair, we should strip the right to vote from men for thousand years of two, and also they should be treated as a commodity for few centuries. Wouldn't hurt to burn or stone a few either.
What I'm saying: Don't go there, because if we were to be fair, noone would like it in this case :D
AceHigh:
--- Quote from: elvikun on May 04, 2012, 07:02:44 PM ---If we were to be really fair, we should strip the right to vote from men for thousand years of two, and also they should be treated as a commodity for few centuries. Wouldn't hurt to burn or stone a few either.
What I'm saying: Don't go there, because if we were to be fair, noone would like it in this case :D
--- End quote ---
In modern moral view, justice does not judge you for the sins of your predecessors. So there is no way fairness is exercised based on what your predecessors did 2000 years ago. You point is invalid. Also you don't even have to go that far back to come across an age where neither men nor women had any voting rights. Alas our lives will last for around 80 years and it is these ones that are relevant for fairness in equality.
Oh and Israel has compulsory military service for women. Equality for the win.
Oh, and in our army for some reason MP battalion has the highest percentage of females... then comes the sanitation battalion. Thinking about it, we also have an abnormal amount of female police officers in my country, at least compared to others.
Saras:
To be honest, the "mother's leave" that women fought for so much is quite a bit of the reason why women are avoided in higher positions. I've had a brief experience working in HR and while there, I did indeed "knock-off" a lot of them on the list for basically any critical position. If you were a just married 20-year-something, you could've been damn sure I'd cross your name out of the list nearly outright for any position that was of either high value or without a certain amount of redundancy in the system.
AceHigh:
There would be shitstorm if what you said would leak into public if you lived in my country. Basically since fathers have the same right to have paternal leave over here, it is not all that different from women. In fact it is easier, because unlike illness or accidents, this is something employers can plan ahead of.
If the day comes when my demonic offspring is born, I am sure as hell not going to spend my time at work all the time leaving the cheerful days sleepless nights to the mother alone.
kadatherion:
--- Quote from: elvikun on May 04, 2012, 07:28:52 PM ---@undetz
Well absolutely. I think noone should.
I'm for proffesional army. Also allows for more individual approach. Equality is a nice word, but everyone is different. It just seems to me that the army looks at a person, finds out what are they good at and makes them do the opposite at the moment.
--- End quote ---
On a serious note for a little while, I find myself always a bit in doubt about that. I myself went for the alternative civil service when it was my time, but I'm a bit mistrustful of 100% professional armies. Not that a professional soldier has to be a fanatic, but I have this lingering feeling that when half the force is made by youngsters that didn't really choose that path for themselves they can work as a deterrent against certain... excesses.
On a lighter note it should also be told that compulsory service (before it was abolished just a few years ago) had an important role in my country at making independent men out of children and at spreading literacy (we are quite linguistically fragmented from one region to the other). The latter is probably an outdated need as the media and internet have taken over that role, but the former... I don't know, in the wrong way (to my beliefs), maybe, but it surely prepared people to live into society instead of being pampered by their parents up to their thirties. I guess what in America happens with their college system kind of does the same thing, but we now have neither option. It's actually a great recipe for making Italy the new paradise for hikikomori :P
--- Quote from: elvikun on May 04, 2012, 07:28:52 PM ---@Kadath
If we were to be really fair, we should strip the right to vote from men for thousand years of two, and also they should be treated as a commodity for few centuries. Wouldn't hurt to burn or stone a few either.
What I'm saying: Don't go there, because if we were to be fair, noone would like it in this case :D
--- End quote ---
Given the choices I'm offered in the voting booth it might not be that much of a sacrifice. The commodity thing might be... convenient too, as long as you treat your toys well. Sounds good so far, but burning and stoning? Damn, that's a deal breaker. ::)
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