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Math doesn't suck, you do.
Nikkoru:
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--- Quote from: AceHigh on May 12, 2012, 07:11:34 AM ---Why are there so many morons here? Math is a tool free to be used to solve various problems. Why do people hate a tool that is designed to help us? It makes just as much sense as saying "screwdrivers suck". Well... sure, don't mind me and the fact that even subconsciously you use math to some degree every day.
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RAmen!!
I personally love math. Always have.
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If I spent day after day pointlessly screwing and unscrewing, I'd begin to dislike the screwdriver immensely however innocent it may be. The present pedagogy could use some reconsideration, I did not appreciate filling out full form answers to hundreds of problems each with slight variations on the last. I detested showing my work especially, as my mind goes to the end of the problem quite quickly and all the writing was just boring.
Math takes focus and discipline, which are rarely synonymous with elementary and secondary school students. I only began to love what math could do when I started playing D&D, oddly enough..
--- Quote from: elvikun on May 12, 2012, 10:43:26 AM ---math teachers who have a knack for being really boring, bad at explaining and / or very forcefull and harsh.
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This is why I came to tolerate math. My grade 11 math teacher was lazy as hell, explained everything in 20-minutes, spent the rest of the time playing poker with us or sitting in front of a fan shooting the shit. Never gave homework, we had tests monthly and a final exam. I memorized the formulae and rules, did three quick questions each of every problem (the first, the middle, and the last), and passed with an A. I can respect a man who lives by his laziness, and has a healthy dose of apathy.
AceHigh:
--- Quote from: elvikun on May 12, 2012, 10:43:26 AM ---Oh yeah, and going around saying how everyone who dislikes math is moron / ignorant / stupid also helps the cause. It reinforces the stereotype of how people who like math are like and makes people who dislike math offended / hate it more. Win - win, really.
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I don't like math, I don't dislike math. I just use it when it is needed, not an object of hate or love, it just is. I am calling people morons not for being unable to solve math problems or whatever, but because of the oversimplified attitude towards something that shouldn't be a subject of such judgement to begin with.
In other words, no you don't hate math, you hate the school days and the education programme. When saying "math sucks", you only fail at utilizing yet another tool that is often a subject of misguided love or hate: the language.
elvikun:
--- Quote from: AceHigh on May 12, 2012, 11:50:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: elvikun on May 12, 2012, 10:43:26 AM ---Oh yeah, and going around saying how everyone who dislikes math is moron / ignorant / stupid also helps the cause. It reinforces the stereotype of how people who like math are like and makes people who dislike math offended / hate it more. Win - win, really.
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I don't like math, I don't dislike math. I just use it when it is needed, not an object of hate or love, it just is. I am calling people morons not for being unable to solve math problems or whatever, but because of the oversimplified attitude towards something that shouldn't be a subject of such judgement to begin with.
In other words, no you don't hate math, you hate the school days and the education programme. When saying "math sucks", you only fail at utilizing yet another tool that is often a subject of misguided love or hate: the language.
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Well, thing is, for example history. You may find it useless and boring and you may have grumpy old teacher who hates all life in the universe, yet if you made it to high school, you most likely have enough brain power to learn few pages of text either way, where math, even with good teacher (which in case of math and chemisry is very rare for some reason) will be hard for half of people no matter how much or little they try, because there are things you can't really learn. If it's combined with evil teacher or one who can't explain things properly... I think dislike for math is justified. Dislike for anything which is forced on you is justified to certain extend.
But honestly, offending people for dislking math is a hell lot more silly than judging scientific discipline based on frustrated high school teacher. Sorry.
@Nikkoru
Lazy teachers are cool. Everyone likes them. Everyone likes their subjects too. As opposed to teachers who love their subjects fanatically and start the class by saying "You WILL like this.". Which brings me back to my german teacher. Deutsch ist eine tolle Sprache, Deutschland ist eine große Nation, Alle zelebrieren Deutschland! (the point of the classes) ... Eventually, it gets old when you hear it four times a week for four years.
Burkingam:
@AceHigh I see why you say that hating math is misguided because it's a useful tool and all. The same way that a guy with cancer may dislike receiving the chemotherapy treatment but saying he dislike chemotherapy in general is misguided because it's useful, it's saving millions of lives including his.
But I don't see why loving math would be misguided though.
AceHigh:
^^ Nice logic. "I hate teacher so I hate math". And you said that someone else is silly? Besides I am not offending people for disliking math, I mock them because their logic sucks and their semantic understanding of the word "Mathematics" is so poor that they associate it with some person from their childhood.
Surely you must have had an English teacher you hated, so by that logic you should zip your mouth and stop talking as well as stop writing?
--- Quote ---But I don't see why loving math would be misguided though.
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Because I believe it's more appropriate to classify that as loving to solve problems in which mathematics are used (or whatever else you use math for).
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