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Math doesn't suck, you do.
elvikun:
--- Quote from: metro. on May 13, 2012, 06:07:44 AM ---GoGeta you should have just linked this, but your point still stands.
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Stop using angry comedian blogs and webcomics as source of knowledge. Really. Unless you actually wanted... Oh, I see.
AceHigh:
--- Quote from: Burkingam on May 13, 2012, 09:43:03 AM ---Sciences are fields of knowledge acquired using the scientific method. Math doesn't use the scientific method, therefor it is not a science. Sociology does use it, even though it doesn't work that well, therefor sociology is a science.
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It doesn't use it, since that would violate ethics in most societies. Newly discovered theorems in mathematical field still need to be proven as a fact and they undergo the most brutal scrutiny according to the scientific method. Therefore my statement is that it is the opposite of what you just said in your quote.
megido-rev.M:
--- Quote from: GoGeTa006 on May 13, 2012, 05:16:13 AM ---
--- Quote from: megido-rev.M on May 13, 2012, 02:34:50 AM ---
--- Quote from: metro. on May 12, 2012, 09:24:42 PM ---And we learn math because it helps us think, logic is based off math, even if we didn't know it when we started doing it. Most intros to Philosophy have a large portion of logic, which is a sliver of discrete math. Same reason why they make you learn physics in most science programs is that it helps you learn how to model things better.
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Nay...logic existed way before math (not talking about logical symbols), and physics is basically the main branch of science, i.e. all other (real) scientific fields are founded from it.
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math existed before human kind. . .even before logic. . .
in the words of my good ol' pal Galileo
"Mathematics is the alphabet with which God has written the universe"
say, a universe without humans, without anything, just being there. . .regardless of our existence, pi will be 3.14159. . .
C^2=A^2+B^2 in a right triangle will hold true
1+1 will still be 2. . .
and Math is the language of physics
physics is the language of chemistry
chemistry is the language of biology
biology is the most boring class you can take
everything else is not science and should be burned ;D
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Let me rephrase: applications of logic existed way before usage of mathematical expressions. For instance, even the Pythagorean theorem existed before that equation was constructed. As well, mathematics is an extension of applied logic to accommodate quantity transformations (axioms like 1+1=2 need to have been conceived logically).
Just because something uses math, doesn't make it a science, as that would make math itself a science :P. Algorithms analysis is not a science, but every (valid) problem dealt in the field is necessarily a mathematics problem.
Nikkoru:
Things existed before the study of them, just as they existed before words could be applied to them. No study or conceptualization of reality can exists without a mind capable of thinking it.
This isn't a chicken and the egg type discussion, math doesn't exists a priori to humanity.
As for logic, valid reasoning is the whole basis for our evolution -- some pre-historic ape was capable of forming coherent thoughts capable of remembering and understanding causality, moreso than simple fight-or-flight instinct but using and acquiring tools or stratagems would result in their long-term survival rather than immediate needs. Such reasoning in abundance was how we became apex predators in spite of physical limitations. Logic, as in a study of such reasoning, or its formalization -- you'd have trouble determining when that came about.
Proin Drakenzol:
--- Quote from: GoGeTa006 on May 13, 2012, 06:12:09 AM ---
--- Quote from: metro. on May 13, 2012, 06:07:44 AM ---GoGeta you should have just linked this, but your point still stands.
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how da fuck is psychology "applied biology"
psychiatry i see, but psychology? c'mon thats the most subjective class ever
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Because biology tells you how things eat, poop, and procreate. Psychology tells you (or tries, to, at least) why and what and whom (in no particular order or association).
And I love math. And My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.
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