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Offline NeonFlame

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Re: Math doesn't suck, you do.
« Reply #80 on: May 18, 2012, 05:11:34 AM »
I've yet to see satire here.

Sarcasm sure, but you can buy that at your local farmer's market by the pound.

The original article definitely has some satire to it.
Not.. really. He's just using hyperbole.

Are you sure you understand the definition of satire..? because hyperbole can be used to create it... And in this case it does...
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Re: Math doesn't suck, you do.
« Reply #81 on: May 18, 2012, 06:53:14 AM »
I've yet to see satire here.

Sarcasm sure, but you can buy that at your local farmer's market by the pound.

The original article definitely has some satire to it.

Not.. really. He's just using hyperbole.

When I'm not 100% sure of what a word means, I like to use Google.


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Re: Math doesn't suck, you do.
« Reply #82 on: May 18, 2012, 03:09:55 PM »
True that hyperbole is often used in satire, but it no way defines such humour. This article employs netherr sarcasm or irony.

How do you spot satire? It can be hard at times, subtle satire can mock something or someone without the target of its derision even being aware. There are cues of course, knowing the person or persons who are making the point are unlikely to be making it sincerely. For instance, a renowned atheist playing the faithful. the weakness and absurdity in her/his statements take on a new light beyond simply weak argumentation. Otherwise there are usually some kind of flag, some claim, statement or argument which are too ridiculous-to be believed, especially within a discourse which appears sensible. Playing it straight in order to heighten the irony is integral to modern satire.

This is how you know the Onion isn't delivering the news and Stephen Colbert isn't a right wing nut job

Maddox's article is neither absurd nor insincere. His argumentative style is simply highly informal and prone to colourful language. He's stating his argument in inflated and melodramatic language to draw people's attention, which is fairly common among blogs. Satire would have been taking the alternative position, the anti-intellectual and anti-mathematics viewpoint he was deriding, and expressed its folly through making absurd statements against what he really believes.

How do I know he sincerely believes his arguments? I can't completely. However, a thoroughly critical reading reveals no intentional contradictions or apparent facetiousness. Thus it would be ineffectual as any form of satire.

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« Reply #83 on: May 19, 2012, 12:37:38 AM »
Satire is an instance of irony, if I'm not mistaken, which basically ridicules follies by upholding them. In other words, no irony => not satirical.

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« Reply #84 on: May 19, 2012, 01:43:19 AM »
Quote from: Google
sat·ire/ˈsaˌtī(ə)r/
Noun:   
1. The use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of...
2. A play, novel, film, or other work that uses satire.
Synonyms:   
lampoon - squib

There was humor used to expose and criticize people's views about math sucking. Idk. I'm not an English professor or anything, but it seems to check out to me.


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Re: Math doesn't suck, you do.
« Reply #85 on: May 19, 2012, 02:16:50 PM »
If I make a joke starting by "you guys suck so much at math that you..." it's not irony but it's satire. Hence, satire can be ironic but is not necessarily.
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Re: Math doesn't suck, you do.
« Reply #86 on: May 19, 2012, 07:29:56 PM »
No, that would just be straightforward insulting unless there is irony at all.

Satire would be something more like "good thing your math is so shitty, as the up-bell will raise my average".

Also, that Google definition is by no means a rigorous one. Then again, few dictionaries actually try to make sure two similar words have distinction between their meanings.

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Re: Math doesn't suck, you do.
« Reply #87 on: May 19, 2012, 07:30:46 PM »
Yeah, read this shit.
Shit's true.

Why should you learn math? Because fuck you ;)

"Math doesn't suck, you do."

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Re: Math doesn't suck, you do.
« Reply #88 on: May 23, 2012, 04:45:01 PM »
Ah, math. My personal nemesis in school.  ;D

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Re: Math doesn't suck, you do.
« Reply #89 on: May 27, 2012, 09:03:02 AM »
mindblowing shit : O<