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Who's the worst person to get in an arguement with?
Nikkoru:
I find arguing with unreasonable people ups your game, so to speak. Like teaching a subject you think you know well to a neophyte or child. Not only do you reinforce your understanding and perhaps gain new knowledge along the way, but you become more competent at the art of expression and presentation. It's an exercise in mental flexibility.
It's not the arguments with such people that are the real annoyance, it's when those people consider any argument against their perspective a personal affront and act hostile towards you for an unspecified period of time.
... and finding out they're in the right is possibly the most horrific event imaginable.
megido-rev.M:
--- Quote from: Nikkoru on June 01, 2012, 02:28:11 AM ---I find arguing with unreasonable people ups your game, so to speak. Like teaching a subject you think you know well to a neophyte or child. Not only do you reinforce your understanding and perhaps gain new knowledge along the way, but you become more competent at the art of expression and presentation. It's an exercise in mental flexibility.
It's not the arguments with such people that are the real annoyance, it's when those people consider any argument against their perspective a personal affront and act hostile towards you for an unspecified period of time.
... and finding out they're in the right is possibly the most horrific event imaginable.
--- End quote ---
Personally I would rather avoid any lecturing when possible. And yes, the possibility that one is wrong is the essence of arguing.
Nikkoru:
--- Quote from: megido-rev.M on June 01, 2012, 02:33:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: Nikkoru on June 01, 2012, 02:28:11 AM ---I find arguing with unreasonable people ups your game, so to speak. Like teaching a subject you think you know well to a neophyte or child. Not only do you reinforce your understanding and perhaps gain new knowledge along the way, but you become more competent at the art of expression and presentation. It's an exercise in mental flexibility.
It's not the arguments with such people that are the real annoyance, it's when those people consider any argument against their perspective a personal affront and act hostile towards you for an unspecified period of time.
... and finding out they're in the right is possibly the most horrific event imaginable.
--- End quote ---
Personally I would rather avoid any lecturing when possible. And yes, the possibility that one is wrong is the essence of arguing.
--- End quote ---
You're confusing a rational debate with a contentious verbal or written altercation in which the words are irrelevant. Outside of arguments from emotion, there are arguments of opinion -- these are most of them --in which case one cannot be wrong however vehemently it's implied.
Though, the situation I was thinking of is the odd occasion when irrational reasoning appears validated. Such as a horoscopes or psychic reading in which the prophetic projection is eerily reproduced in reality. Or a conspiracy theorist, bigots, or jingoists who because of some entirely coincidental events gain some measure of credence for their views even if they're all based on thoughtless supposition and baseless fear. It's happened to me a few times.
NeonFlame:
--- Quote from: Nikkoru on June 01, 2012, 03:07:16 AM --- (click to show/hide)
--- Quote from: megido-rev.M on June 01, 2012, 02:33:26 AM ---
--- Quote from: Nikkoru on June 01, 2012, 02:28:11 AM ---I find arguing with unreasonable people ups your game, so to speak. Like teaching a subject you think you know well to a neophyte or child. Not only do you reinforce your understanding and perhaps gain new knowledge along the way, but you become more competent at the art of expression and presentation. It's an exercise in mental flexibility.
It's not the arguments with such people that are the real annoyance, it's when those people consider any argument against their perspective a personal affront and act hostile towards you for an unspecified period of time.
... and finding out they're in the right is possibly the most horrific event imaginable.
--- End quote ---
Personally I would rather avoid any lecturing when possible. And yes, the possibility that one is wrong is the essence of arguing.
--- End quote ---
You're confusing a rational debate with a contentious verbal or written altercation in which the words are irrelevant. Outside of arguments from emotion, there are arguments of opinion -- these are most of them --in which case one cannot be wrong however vehemently it's implied.
Though, the situation I was thinking of is the odd occasion when irrational reasoning appears validated. Such as a horoscopes or psychic reading in which the prophetic projection is eerily reproduced in reality. Or a conspiracy theorist, bigots, or jingoists who because of some entirely coincidental events gain some measure of credence for their views even if they're all based on thoughtless supposition and baseless fear. It's happened to me a few times.
--- End quote ---
I hate it when that happens. Because then there's no way you can "prove" that what they're saying is wrong, they have "evidence" to the contrary.. even if you know why it appeared that whatever they're saying is true works.
Proof needs to be reproducible but people just don't seem to understand that..
Nikkoru:
--- Quote from: NeonFlame on June 01, 2012, 03:38:14 PM ---I hate it when that happens. Because then there's no way you can "prove" that what they're saying is wrong, they have "evidence" to the contrary.. even if you know why it appeared that whatever they're saying is true works.
Proof needs to be reproducible but people just don't seem to understand that..
--- End quote ---
They're always so damn smug about it too.
I remember participating in political chatroom discussions during the second Iraq war and its preamble. Some of the more unreasoning anti-war proponents and the hawkish warmongers were treating the WMDs as if they were an article of faith to be accepted or rejected blindly. Every false report of WMDs which came out and every time those reports proved false brought with them a renewed wave and eventual backlash of sickening self-satisfaction and hostility. Each side nodding sagely to one another and pondering what fools these mortals be on the other.
Either way, it was infuriating. The issue was important objectively, and both sides had reasonable grounds for doubt, but in the end it was just an excuse to be a complete douche to people who didn't share your worldview. These arguments were just window dressing for a deeper personal malignancy coupled with masturbatory tendencies.
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