Yet Another Attempt to Link "Murder" to "Gaming"

[Havoc10K]

Yeah, and seriously, in Fallout, you can do so much as put a bullet in someone's head, or even a rocket (seriously WTF?) and shred people to mincemeat with a minigun, but nooo they see more danger from a gnome tank and a bunch or spell casting elves XDD

Not to mention the original brutality of the Warhammer 40k Games

[lapa321]

Curiously, has airsoft/paintball get linked to mass murder? Can't get any more realistic than that.

[AceHigh]

I just happen to know the president of the Norwegian Airsoft Association, since he was my former colleague. Let's just say that they have not only good record of being responsible individuals, but they also keep close ties to the military due to their rental of the same facilities that army uses for their exercises. While being a bit crazy with the pyrotechnic effects, he wouldn't tolerate lunatics in his midst. 

[SirSkyRider]

Curiously, has airsoft/paintball get linked to mass murder? Can't get any more realistic than that.

Nope, but they tried to ban it after a school shooting in Germany.

[vicious796]

I just wish I was surprised to see this brought up with one of the most high profile shootings in the last ten years. I mean, there's plenty of other evidence to convict the guy and call him crazy. Why the hell do you need to bring WoW into this? What purpose does it serve other than to promote a previously failed social political agenda?

[Havoc10K]

Damn, they should use Postal as an example. Then I would actually believe them.

[AceHigh]

I just wish I was surprised to see this brought up with one of the most high profile shootings in the last ten years. I mean, there's plenty of other evidence to convict the guy and call him crazy. Why the hell do you need to bring WoW into this? What purpose does it serve other than to promote a previously failed social political agenda?

Eh, no that is the biggest issue and a dilemma here. The most prominent psychiatrists are at each other throats debating if he is actually crazy or not. In fact 90% of the time used in the court is to determine if he is insane or not. The whole battle here is not about proving his innocence or guilt, but to determine if he is to sit the rest of his life in prison or an insane asylum.

WoW is used here as an attempt to declare that he doesn't separate the reality from life. That is the role it plays here, not the fact that WoW players are potential mass murderers.

Personally I am on a "he is not insane" bandwagon and think that WoW is just too weak of an evidence, when considering the evidence of everything that makes him mentally healthy.

[vicious796]

I didn't mean insane as in "he was not in control of himself" - I meant it as in you can't be quite right and do what he did. So, though I also believe he's not "criminally" insane I do believe he's batshit crazy, if you know what I mean.

[AceHigh]

You are confusing "crazy and insane" with the words "ruthless, evil and cold hearted". The guy is explaining calmly why he did what he did, the fact that he didn't like doing it, but felt it was necessary and forced himself to do those acts in order to achieve political effect. He is right in the head, however his perception on the world is very different from the norm.

That is why it is ludicrous to assume that WoW had any effect whatsoever... not when at the same time the guy writes a manifest hundreds of pages long with political and ideological messages.

[vicious796]

You are confusing "crazy and insane" with the words "ruthless, evil and cold hearted". The guy is explaining calmly why he did what he did, the fact that he didn't like doing it, but felt it was necessary and forced himself to do those acts in order to achieve political effect. He is right in the head, however his perception on the world is very different from the norm.

That is why it is ludicrous to assume that WoW had any effect whatsoever... not when at the same time the guy writes a manifest hundreds of pages long with political and ideological messages.

No, I'm not confusing the two. I'm just of a mindset that a "normal" person (read: not crazy) is not capable of being that evil, ruthless, and cold-hearted. Just an opinion, I know, but that's the explanation behind my writing.

[AceHigh]

Conveniently your opinion is also debated heavily over here. After listening to him, even the victims are more inclined to believe that he is just that fucking evil. In my opinion you just narrowed your viewpoint of what is within the limitation that a sane person can do... most likely to extremely sheltered modern society.

Tell a story like this to some tribal warlord from 2000 years ago and he would reply "Yeah, we also raided a village, killed all women and children after raping them thoroughly" as if it was a normal every day thing to do.

[Havoc10K]

Spore is the most evil game ever, you start as bacteria and kill shits, and then you sell drugs galaxy-wide.