Nintendo's Stock Drops After Lackluster E3

[vicious796]

http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/lackluster-e3-nintendo-raises-more-wii-u-questions-164204475.html

Is the blood really in the water? I don't know... Sony and Microsoft are still at least a year away from a new console.

[TMRNetShark]

I am disappointed the LEAST with Sony because they showed some core exclusive games while Microsoft just showed sequels and claimed the downloadable games were... and I quote... "all things that people are probably surprised about. Wow, seven years into the cycle and you’re shipping four new IPs [which are ALL kinect/downloadable games], what’s that say? Well, it says that the 360 continues to be a good platform."

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People aren't that dumb. I was disappointed about the Nintendo's conference too because I wanted to know about price point and what games will be launch titles (since developers are claiming the system will be out this fall). Well, disappointment breeds disappointment... I'll start saving some money for the inevitable $600 price point of the PS4.

[Tatsujin]

I am disappointed the LEAST with Sony because they showed some core exclusive games while Microsoft just showed sequels and claimed the downloadable games were... and I quote... "all things that people are probably surprised about. Wow, seven years into the cycle and you’re shipping four new IPs [which are ALL kinect/downloadable games], what’s that say? Well, it says that the 360 continues to be a good platform."

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People aren't that dumb. I was disappointed about the Nintendo's conference too because I wanted to know about price point and what games will be launch titles (since developers are claiming the system will be out this fall). Well, disappointment breeds disappointment... I'll start saving some money for the inevitable $600 price point of the PS4.

Microsoft is just full of shit and their reps know it. They just always love to talk shit year after year and never are impressed with Sony. Just look at Sony's big titles for E3 ... that's not impressive? Hah. Nice one.

I hope Kojima doesn't fuck up ZoE3 and keeps it on the consoles. He's gotta go all out on that game.

http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/lackluster-e3-nintendo-raises-more-wii-u-questions-164204475.html

Is the blood really in the water? I don't know... Sony and Microsoft are still at least a year away from a new console.

Shouldn't they have gone a little simpler with the system? ... Just wondering.

[zherok]

Personally don't see the appeal of the Wii U.

Was the GCN <-> GBA connector really that popular? I can only recall the Crystal Chronicles games and Zelda really using it. Interfaces should be smart and up front. Moving them to an entire other device seems pretty counter-intuitive.

Backwards compatibility is nice, and Wii saturation is hardly poor, but I have to wonder how many third party developers will take advantage of older compatible hardware.

Feels like a lot of the issues the Wii had later in it's life with a less interesting controller to push it initially.

[Nikkoru]

I now see the point about Nintendo releasing the Wii-U too soon, Microsoft and Sony will just copy the scheme -- but with better performance and more exclusive content.

I'm just a little annoyed that after I finish Xenoblade and Skyward Sword, my Wii becomes defunct in 2012.

E3 would've been the first opportunity to get people like me to consider buying the Wii-U for my parents or grandparents based on the more casual reviews. Which at the moment I don't see myself doing. I can already see it rotting away in a dark corner somewhere as they play on their iPads and DS.

Perhaps my perspective is skewed, but my doubt flags are raised fairly high now. They don't care about things like exclusive games or read any sort of hype, my parents just want something they can dive into without effort and enjoy themselves with friends. The Wii was obviously that, the Wii U just complicates that needlessly. They should have followed through with what Wii started and Kinect failed miserably at, mastered motion gaming -- with fancier graphics and better performance.

[TMRNetShark]

I now see the point about Nintendo releasing the Wii-U too soon, Microsoft and Sony will just copy the scheme -- but with better performance and more exclusive content.

I'm just a little annoyed that after I finish Xenoblade and Skyward Sword, my Wii becomes defunct in 2012.

E3 would've been the first opportunity to get people like me to consider buying the Wii-U for my parents or grandparents based on the more casual reviews. Which at the moment I don't see myself doing. I can already see it rotting away in a dark corner somewhere as they play on their iPads and DS.

Perhaps my perspective is skewed, but my doubt flags are raised fairly high now. They don't care about things like exclusive games or read any sort of hype, my parents just want something they can dive into without effort and enjoy themselves with friends. The Wii was obviously that, the Wii U just complicates that needlessly. They should have followed through with what Wii started and Kinect failed miserably at, mastered motion gaming -- with fancier graphics and better performance.

I agree with this statement. The WiiU should have been a significant upgrade in hardware inbetween the current PS and Xbox and the next generation of those respective consoles. The Wii is already what, $100? Slap in 4 GBs of shared memory/VRAM and slap in a modified version of AMD's A8-33870K APU and a 100 GB harddrive and BAM. A true successor of the Wii with much better graphics and still sells for $300 at launch.

[Takeshi]

Personally don't see the appeal of the Wii U.

And I won't either until they make more games like Zelda: Skyward Sword. I am not even sure that's a good game, but it looks like the closest to the games I enjoy. And for third-party games I am personally fine with playing Batman: Arkham City and Assassin's Creed III on PS3 and PC. I have no desire to play a watered version of it on WiiU. Microsoft's was good since it featured games that come out on PS3 and PC as well. And Sony was best since I obviously only have one of the three consoles. I couldn't care less about Nintendo, and nothing they featured made me want to get a WiiU.

More "hardcore" games on the Wii I don't know about? Also, is there a game on WiiU already that REALLY showcases what it can do with graphics?

[zherok]

So far as I know the Wii U is a leap over the PS3/360 hardware. The issue is less how well games like Batman: AC and ACIII will run, but the fact that they're aiming at current generation games to begin with, and how far ahead the competition will be when they release their hardware.

I mean, you can already play Batman on three different platforms. And depending on how late the Wii U launches it might not even be out in time for ACIII (while again being the FOURTH way to play a game.)

[GoGeTa006]

Nintendo wont die. . .its a big part of my childhood. . .

I'll buy the company as soon as I make my first 2.5 billion, that will be my top priority

[FlyinPenguin]

Nintendo has been dead to me since they released the N64. Not only have they released inferior systems compared to the competition but aside from a select number of games, they have had little to offer the hardcore gamer. And most of the games on their consoles that do appeal to hardcore gamers have also been available on superior systems.

I miss the SNES days

[TMRNetShark]

Nintendo has been dead to me since they released the N64. Not only have they released inferior systems compared to the competition but aside from a select number of games, they have had little to offer the hardcore gamer. And most of the games on their consoles that do appeal to hardcore gamers have also been available on superior systems.

I miss the SNES days

Uhh, the N64 was an inferior system to the PSOne and Sega Genesis (IMHO). Cartridges didn't upset the customer market when it's competition went to the superior CD disks (which held nearly ten times the data). The Gamecube was definitely inferior to the PS2 and Xbox... seeing as how they went with miniDVD that held 1.5 GBs while the competition both had regular DVDs (and also played DVD movies). Sony risked life and limb to put out the Bluray disc and left both MS and Nintendo with the regular DVDs (I feel sorry for anyone who bought HDDVD drives for the 360).

Inferior hardware doesn't mean less gameplay... GOOD games make the console... not pretty ones. *Cough FF Cough*

[FlyinPenguin]

Inferior hardware doesn't mean less gameplay... GOOD games make the console... not pretty ones. *Cough FF Cough*

Very true but Nintendo fails on both fronts IMHO.

There are some games released on Nintendo systems that are great, even some that create waves in the gaming industry and help shape the future of console gaming (Golden Eye comes to mind) but there just aren't enough.

I still remember when I got my N64. I owned it for a week and then was like "WTF did I buy this for when I could have bought a Playstation?" I returned it and bought a PS1. I never looked back.

Btw, just to clarify, I am talking about consoles. I don't know enough about the hand held world to give an informed opinion.

[Ashall]

I think Nintendo is still a good company. But unfortunately most gamecube exclusives later went to the PS2; Tales of Symphonia and Resident Evil 4 off the top of my head. Nintendo is still making good games. Xenoblade Chronicles and The Last Story are really great games that came out recently and are exclusive. Now, I sold my Wii like 2 years ago but I went and borrowed my brother's just to play those two. I probably will never buy another Wii (or Mircosoft) console but I don't think we can count them out yet. Because honestly does anyone find the Move and the little Xbox heat camera thing fun after the first couple times you play?

Now, I would rather play soft toss batting practice with a 360 but I don't mind playing the Wii when I'm over at other people's homes. It's fun and caters to a larger and more friendly audience. Most of us here are hardcore gamers, of course you personally are not going to see the value of the Wii and whatever they're calling the next one. If I were a casual gamer or had kids I would probably have a Wii but I think now I'll be sticking with Sony until I stop playing games.

[Nikkoru]

I had a love-hate relationship with my 64 and Nintendo in general. On the one hand, I was a smallish child and that controller was all sorts of torture after 3-4 hours of gaming. It was a never ending source of aggravation just to control the camera in most games. I remember renting some fighter, a Virtua Fighter clone of some kind, I couldn't get my character to move beyond a drunken sway and the whole thing was monstrously slow just...watching them attack made me rue the day I bought this thing.

Then... well - there are the Nintendo IPs, and just as awesome, Rare. Or it was once upon a blue moon.

Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Donkey Kong, Mario Kart, Golden Eye, Banjo Kazooie, Jet Force Gemini, Star Fox, 1080 Snowboarding, Super Smash Brothers, Perfect Dark, Pokemon Arena, Conker's Bad Fur Day, X-Wing Fighter and even Tony Hawk Pro Skater -- games that made me squee~ with delight.  Even if they were all the system had to offer, amid what would be a rather limited selection of total crap, the amount of sheer enjoyment condensed into those hours of game play -- of playing an splitscreen deathmatch with friends at a party for the first time, or looking up at the sky and seeing that gott damn moon menacing me, or being attacked by a singing pile of excrement -- these are among my fondest memories. On the other hand, there's Superman 64.

The Gamecube was a doorstop pretty quickly, and while I have some affection for my Wii... it's nearly as limited as the 64 in terms of outside content. Buying the Wii version of any multi-platform game just seems masochistic. 90% of game designers had no idea how to incorporate motion into what they were doing. Nintendo was doubling down on a concept which is still low-functional and awkward most of the time.

Still better than Kinect, which is definitely designed for masochists.

At the same time -- I was and am deeply heartened by the content available on the DS, it's the closest thing they've produced to recapturing that SNES luv.

So it's up and down with Nintendo since SNES. Sony may have weaker launch titles and a touch of megalomania, but they produce a machine that is the least imposing for game designers to deal with. You're guaranteed a good time if only by the law of averages.

[FlyinPenguin]

Still better than Kinect, which is definitely designed for masochists.

I don't have a Kinect but from what I understand, it is quite capable. Being able to use your entire body vs your arm/hand and have it work relatively well (especially considering how new it is) is bounds and leaps above the Wii's motion sensing. I plan to buy one, especially since I got a couple Kinect games free when I renewed my Live subscription

The Kinect does motion, video, and voice. The Wii is just motion. It just seems to offer so much more than a Wii controller can.

[Tatsujin]

Still better than Kinect, which is definitely designed for masochists.

I don't have a Kinect but from what I understand, it is quite capable. Being able to use your entire body vs your arm/hand and have it work relatively well (especially considering how new it is) is bounds and leaps above the Wii's motion sensing. I plan to buy one, especially since I got a couple Kinect games free when I renewed my Live subscription

The Kinect does motion, video, and voice. The Wii is just motion. It just seems to offer so much more than a Wii controller can.

Kinect doesn't offer "buttons". You think Kinect will be valuable for shooting games or RPG games? We're talking about the big titles.

I liked dancing when my little nephew got his Kinect. It was fun, then we switched to a 4-out shooter between the family in MW3 with controllers.

[FlyinPenguin]

Still better than Kinect, which is definitely designed for masochists.

I don't have a Kinect but from what I understand, it is quite capable. Being able to use your entire body vs your arm/hand and have it work relatively well (especially considering how new it is) is bounds and leaps above the Wii's motion sensing. I plan to buy one, especially since I got a couple Kinect games free when I renewed my Live subscription

The Kinect does motion, video, and voice. The Wii is just motion. It just seems to offer so much more than a Wii controller can.

Kinect doesn't offer "buttons". You think Kinect will be valuable for shooting games or RPG games? We're talking about the big titles.

I liked dancing when my little nephew got his Kinect. It was fun, then we switched to a 4-out shooter between the family in MW3 with controllers.

Maybe if it was a unique shooter on the Wii I could understand where you are coming from but why would you play MW3 on the Wii? It was bad enough on the 360, PS3, and PC. You are talking about (arguably) the best modern COD in terms of graphics (certainly not game play) to date. I hardly think a novelty control scheme would make it more worthwhile than playing on a console that can truly showcase its graphical capability (which was pretty poor on even the best of platforms comparatively speaking).

As far RPGs, I think I would be fine with buttons on any standard controller. No need to choose an inferior system for motion control and buttons when I can choose a system with superior motion control and controller.

[Nikkoru]

My enmity towards Kinect is based on hours of personal experience -- what I refer to as my time in the service. The motion controls frustrated me at every turn and I've literally gotten into verbal arguments with the bastard. Like communism, Kinect's good on paper, you might even see the propaganda films with hearty peasants clearing crop and such, but in actual practice everyone's eating turnip stew everyday and no one wants to hear your complaints.

While the Wii is clearly a limited system compared to its competitors, graphics does not mean fun - and while some games fight you with annoying wiggly-wuggly movements, stupid disconnections or misteps, and porn-esque gyrations with an oversized phallus - you can find games which are deeply satisfying. The best games on the Wii supplement the controller experience with pointing, shaking, and swinging lightly... while sitting the hell down. What's more, you can get the whole system now for what Kinect costs, probably.

Personally, I'd like to see motion gaming as whole die like a rabid badger at an NRA meeting - but while it's here, at least have it work 100% of the time and have game developers who want to do more than those stupid minigames over and over and over again.

[GoGeTa006]

I know Nintendo doesnt appeal to "hardcore gamers" but TBH, I believe that "Hardcore gamers" will go to PC's since thats where its at, if you go to the big shots we're talking starcraft tournaments, fps (with PC's), I know console tournaments exist but real competitiveness can only be found in PC's

so to me, consoles are just a "side-thing" thats why I dont like PS/MS because they're slowly becomming computers without the mouse. . .thats why I bought the Wii, a completely new "gaming" type. . .

but yeah, I know Nintendo has been lacking in its "target audience", I dont know why they still live in the 90's when consoles where for kids. . .

[vicious796]

I know Nintendo doesnt appeal to "hardcore gamers" but TBH, I believe that "Hardcore gamers" will go to PC's since thats where its at, if you go to the big shots we're talking starcraft tournaments, fps (with PC's), I know console tournaments exist but real competitiveness can only be found in PC's

so to me, consoles are just a "side-thing" thats why I dont like PS/MS because they're slowly becomming computers without the mouse. . .thats why I bought the Wii, a completely new "gaming" type. . .

but yeah, I know Nintendo has been lacking in its "target audience", I dont know why they still live in the 90's when consoles where for kids. . .

The problem is that the "hardcore gamer" demographic has changed. Now, the "hardcore" demographic (as viewed by the game manufacturers) are a bunch of frat boys who are out of college and can't find a job because their parents can't retire because they made terrible financial decisions based on a false market. Now, those "frat boys" have nothing to do but look for jobs for a couple hours every day and then play their FPS games on the console.

This is the market that the 3rd parties look at and, as such, processing power comes into play. Will the Wii U hold up? I don't think so. I firmly believe in brand loyalty and, for the past 10 years +, Nintendo hasn't been in the "hardcore" market. I believe folks are going to wait a year or two for the new XBOX and PS4.