Samsung Galaxy S III

[kitamesume]

wait, you lost me. what were you trying to say?

[Dhruv]

Iphone was all about the looks anyway.

What do you expect from a smartphone for dumb people?

Why do you say so?

[halfelite]

wait, you lost me. what were you trying to say?

The cpu in the atoms/APU's are not very good spec wise they are low level chips, So if you need anything cpu intensive like video decoding they cant handle it.

[FlyinPenguin]

Iphone was all about the looks anyway.

What do you expect from a smartphone for dumb people?

Why do you say so?

I jest to a degree when I say that, however, there is no doubt that Apple was clearly trying to make a smartphone that was so easy to use that a technologically illiterate person could pick it up and use it without any problem. That isn't necessarily a bad thing but honestly, Android has caught up in terms of ease of use and offers far more options for geeks due to the openness of the OS and the variety of devices available. Hell, even the technologically illiterate benefit from the openness of the OS and device variety.

[lapa321]

Finally found some S3 benchies and gotta admit i'm impressed. I'm putting it up against my Congo based netbook which is pretty much the fastest netbook chipset on the planet.

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Note: I do not overclock.


EDIT: And just to further add. This is a Galaxy Nexus

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[kitamesume]

wait, you lost me. what were you trying to say?

The cpu in the atoms/APU's are not very good spec wise they are low level chips, So if you need anything cpu intensive like video decoding they cant handle it.

yes indeed but arent the S3's and iP4 the same? or did they created a holy grail of performance with little wattage?

[FlyinPenguin]

wait, you lost me. what were you trying to say?

The cpu in the atoms/APU's are not very good spec wise they are low level chips, So if you need anything cpu intensive like video decoding they cant handle it.

yes indeed but arent the S3's and iP4 the same? or did they created a holy grail of performance with little wattage?

Completely different. 4S has a 1ghz dualcore A5 CPU while the S3 has a 1.5 ghz S4 dualcore. in the US and the international version has a 1.4ghz Exynos quadcore.

Other differences: 4S has 512gb ram while the S3 has 2gb in US and 1gb on the international version. The S3 is also thinner and lighter then the 4S. Another difference is the 4S still lacks LTE. Also the S3 has a far supior screen in both resolution and size.

The IPhone can't even hold a candle to the S3.

[MalusSciurus]

I went to the CBD in HK today, and everywhere I looked, people had either S3 or iPhone 4(S) lol. Asked around for prices and they ranged from roughly US$600 to US$700 (rounded). That's unlocked of course.


By the way, I saw a bit about 10-bit and playing anime on iP4/S3, and I just want to show this. Screenshot from my friend's S3 playing UTW's Fate/Zero 720p 10-bit video with no lag. It seems to render styled ASS and karaoke without any problems too.

Ooh!  Do you know which video player app he was using?  I have a Galaxy Nexus using MX Player and my UTW videos stutters a bit... I want to force it to do H/W decoding but it wasn't possible

[kitamesume]

wait, you lost me. what were you trying to say?

The cpu in the atoms/APU's are not very good spec wise they are low level chips, So if you need anything cpu intensive like video decoding they cant handle it.

yes indeed but arent the S3's and iP4 the same? or did they created a holy grail of performance with little wattage?

Completely different. 4S has a 1ghz dualcore A5 CPU while the S3 has a 1.5 ghz S4 dualcore. in the US and the international version has a 1.4ghz Exynos quadcore.

Other differences: 4S has 512gb ram while the S3 has 2gb in US and 1gb on the international version. The S3 is also thinner and lighter then the 4S. Another difference is the 4S still lacks LTE. Also the S3 has a far supior screen in both resolution and size.

The IPhone can't even hold a candle to the S3.

what are you talking about?

what i meant is that its the same as "are not very good spec wise they are low level chips, So if you need anything cpu intensive like video decoding they cant handle it." but they could which is weird.

also, E450 is a dual core 1.6ghz, while atom D525 is a dualcore+HT at 1.8ghz. plus given that these rigs can go as high as 16GB of ram with a pair of 8GB sticks, so ram is irrelevant on this case.

to give you a practical example, a notebook 11" with a E450 could last about 4hours while playing a 720p Hi10p video, it cant manage 1080p Hi10p at all. while a ultra tiny hand-held tablet could play for as much as 5hours and manage to play 1080p Hi10p no sweat?

do notice this quote, thanks.

or did they created a holy grail of performance with little wattage?

Edit: tho if what you're saying is true, then i do hope they put those pretty CPUs into notebooks too. dat uber tiny CPU crunching 1080p Hi10p no sweat, me want.
Edit2: i just thought of something insane, ARM supports ubuntu, said so by wiki. that would mean Exynos + Ubuntu + tiny case = perfect HTPC, sluuur.
Edit3: http://armdevices.net/2012/06/17/toshiba-omap4470-windows-8-rt-arm-powered-laptop-and-tablet-shown-on-video/ doh sub 500$, now thats good.

[FlyinPenguin]

wait, you lost me. what were you trying to say?

The cpu in the atoms/APU's are not very good spec wise they are low level chips, So if you need anything cpu intensive like video decoding they cant handle it.

yes indeed but arent the S3's and iP4 the same? or did they created a holy grail of performance with little wattage?

Completely different. 4S has a 1ghz dualcore A5 CPU while the S3 has a 1.5 ghz S4 dualcore. in the US and the international version has a 1.4ghz Exynos quadcore.

Other differences: 4S has 512gb ram while the S3 has 2gb in US and 1gb on the international version. The S3 is also thinner and lighter then the 4S. Another difference is the 4S still lacks LTE. Also the S3 has a far supior screen in both resolution and size.

The IPhone can't even hold a candle to the S3.

what are you talking about?

what i meant is that its the same as "are not very good spec wise they are low level chips, So if you need anything cpu intensive like video decoding they cant handle it." but they could which is weird.

I misinterpreted what you were asking. I thought you were comparing the 4S to the S3, not comparing them to chipsets in computers. I wasn't paying any attention to that part of the conversation in this thread so I didn't realize you were engaged in that conversation.

do notice this quote, thanks.

or did they created a holy grail of performance with little wattage?

Again, I just thought you were comparing the two devices.

No need to be condescending. I hadn't even had my morning coffee yet when I replied

i just thought of something insane, ARM supports ubuntu, said so by wiki. that would mean Exynos + Ubuntu + tiny case = perfect HTPC, sluuur.

If only XBMC would release a Linux version for ARM architecture. They have a Linux version for x86 and they have an ARM version for IOS so it shouldn't be a huge leap for them.

I guess you could try Ubuntu TV. It has ARM support but I have no experience with it. I really should try it out but I am quite satisfied with XBMC.
http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tv

[halfelite]

yes indeed but arent the S3's and iP4 the same? or did they created a holy grail of performance with little wattage?

Different architect runs different. ARM chips are small and they do make some heat but not as much They have been making smaller/faster chips for years, AMD/intel had some catching up to do. Now the newest offering of the intel ivy bridge are on par with some of the ARM chips, The main difference between them is ARM is not so good with multi tasking, were the intel/amd are better. Think of ARM as designed for purpose chips were intel/amd is designed for everything chips, What ARM chips do they do it well. If you keep up with the market you will actually see both intel/amd are trying for ARM/x86 coexist in the server market same as x86/GPU with passing specific set of instructions off to the ARM chip.

[kitamesume]

i dont think that "do specific things better chip" is simply the reason of ARM when it comes to decoding, that is unless they have the decoders programmed to the best use of ARM's instructions.

but in estimations it shouldn't be possible with it, performance/watt would've been breached more than two fold of atom or zacate's if ARM were to manage that.


i'd really like a comparison with them, i mean specially when ARM supports ubuntu, getting an all-in-1 beagle board with a dualcore ARM would be a sweet torrent box and hopefully a HTPC as well dont you agree?

[lapa321]

i dont think that "do specific things better chip" is simply the reason of ARM when it comes to decoding, that is unless they have the decoders programmed to the best use of ARM's instructions.

Video codecs on ARM are specific to CPU's.

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=codec&c=apps

Curiously what laguage is used for making video codecs? I'm not realy sure if you can still use an interpreted language like Java to make high performance, CPU specific code.

[halfelite]

i dont think that "do specific things better chip" is simply the reason of ARM when it comes to decoding, that is unless they have the decoders programmed to the best use of ARM's instructions.

but in estimations it shouldn't be possible with it, performance/watt would've been breached more than two fold of atom or zacate's if ARM were to manage that.


i'd really like a comparison with them, i mean specially when ARM supports ubuntu, getting an all-in-1 beagle board with a dualcore ARM would be a sweet torrent box and hopefully a HTPC as well dont you agree?

Video decoding is a specific set of instructions think why a gpu handles it better then your average cpu, take your average standalone media player. they used to run a 300mhz cpu with a mips powered hardware decoder only designed for video thats why it could get by using 5watt and decoding 1080p, ARM supports ubuntu now, You can pick up the A10 all winner stuff, it has both ubuntu and android 4.0 images,  if you want something cheap and small to play with http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/563764893-Freeshipping-Rikomagic-MK802-Mini-PC-Mini-Android4-0-dongle-android-IPTV-google-tv-smart-android-box-wholesalers.html or the http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/546571245-Mele-A2000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html  That will play all your media needs minus the 1080p 10bit stuff, Im still playing with mine to see if I can get a working match for 1080p 10bit, And xbmc has also got hardware decoding working on the Allwinner stuff but not released it yet.

If you want a good benchmark read check out http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=pandaboard_es&num=1 its comparing the pandaboard. Wich if any of you remember the xbox1 days with bunnie haung he is one of the lead devs on that project

[lapa321]

I thought software mode meant it was using the CPU instead of dedicated video circuitry.

[kitamesume]

^ i thought Hi10P is too unique to be hardware accelerated yet, lol.

the panda board loses to an atom N270 which is kind of sad.

[halfelite]

^ i thought Hi10P is too unique to be hardware accelerated yet, lol.

the panda board loses to an atom N270 which is kind of sad.

True its not hardware accelerated but there should be enough power to run 10bit 1080p without hardware. one of the hard things with the ARM is the software is what it is, unless you compile yourself and its not always easy setting up the right toolchains like the android 4.0 stuff. bsplayer lite still uses an ancient ffmpeg that did not have 10bit stuff in it. Have not looked at dice or mx yet.

[kitamesume]

thats why its confusing, no player at the moment other than a working computer could playback 1080p Hi10P smoothly but an ARM processor which isn't even half of what the E450's processing capability, based on the comparison between the panda board and an atom N270, could play it back smoothly as well.

so yea you can't blame me for being confused, it seems like they pulled off some grand witchery on their decoders. plus theres no documented explanation on how they're doing it, i can't call it hoax either because theres proof... if they document this it would surely be possible to emulate the same thing on a regular computer, that would mean it'll become possible for an atom dualcore to do the same thing, reviving the old HTPC builds as a result.

[lapa321]

I'm not sure the panda is even comparable to the S3 being demoed. Isn't the S3 supposed to be Quad core for the international version?

S3 International. It's twice as powerful as the dual core nexus. As the guys that have the nexus will know. 720p on it is possible but very choppy, doubling the power may just be enough to make 720p smooth. I still don't think 1080p 10bit will play on it tho.

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It's this version that i was comparing to the netbook. And likely, what you guys are seeing playing back the 10bit software.


S3 Verizon is dual core a9 like the panda board. I'm still looking for perfomance reviews, but so far, it seems to point that the American S3 is slower than the International version.

[kitamesume]

i found a discussion using an S2 http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-1425664.html

seems like they could pull it off using MX but needs to overclock it.