Author Topic: "900p" or 1080p monitor? (Read 4423 times)

Saras · « **Reply #20 on:** June 21, 2012, 06:42:44 AM »

Quote from: 1212magicman on June 20, 2012, 10:36:37 PM

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Get the 15 inch one, or the 17 one if you truly feel likecarrying that damn thing around,

Add the new i7 3610, add a 750 gig hybrid harddrive and get rid of the GPU altogether.

You will not benefit from a GPU.

1212magicman · « **Reply #21 on:** June 21, 2012, 06:47:18 AM »

Okay so I considered what you said and it was true, I'm not going to game so I don't need a i7. So I decided to try a slower computer.

HP Pavilion dv6z-7000 Entertainment Notebook PC

AMD Dual-Core A6-4400M (3.0GHz/2.6GHz, 1MB L2 Cache)
FREE Upgrade to 6GB 1600MHz DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
2GB AMD Radeon(TM) HD 7730M Graphics
FREE Upgrade to 640GB 5400RPM Hard Drive
No additional security software
9 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
15.6-inch diagonal Full HD Anti-glare LED-backlit Display (1920 x 1080)
Microsoft(R) Office Starter: reduced-functionality Word/Excel(R) only, No PowerPoint(R)/Outlook(R)
SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer Support
HP TrueVision Webcam with Integrated Digital Microphone + HP SimplePass Fingerprint Reader
802.11b/g/n WLAN
Backlit Keyboard
HP Home & Home Office Store in-box envelope

Do you think the graphics card is overkill?

I can choose the 7670 1gb

Saras · « **Reply #22 on:** June 21, 2012, 06:50:17 AM »

Quote from: 1212magicman on June 21, 2012, 06:47:18 AM

Okay so I considered what you said and it was true, I'm not going to game so I don't need a i7. So I decided to try a slower computer.

HP Pavilion dv6z-7000 Entertainment Notebook PC

AMD Dual-Core A6-4400M (3.0GHz/2.6GHz, 1MB L2 Cache)
FREE Upgrade to 6GB 1600MHz DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
2GB AMD Radeon(TM) HD 7730M Graphics
FREE Upgrade to 640GB 5400RPM Hard Drive
No additional security software
9 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
15.6-inch diagonal Full HD Anti-glare LED-backlit Display (1920 x 1080)
Microsoft(R) Office Starter: reduced-functionality Word/Excel(R) only, No PowerPoint(R)/Outlook(R)
SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer Support
HP TrueVision Webcam with Integrated Digital Microphone + HP SimplePass Fingerprint Reader
802.11b/g/n WLAN and Bluetooth(R)
Backlit Keyboard
HP Home & Home Office Store in-box envelope

Wait a damn second. You said solidworks, afteraffects, CADs... etc and little to no gaming.

You NEED an i7 for those what you don't need is a GPU. An AMD apu will frustrate you to no hell with that.

@Kitamusume, this isn't a gaming rig. He will need the i7 for his work, the HD4000 is enough to allow him to play most games on low-med if he wants to waste some time, but he doesn't need a discrete card for anything else.

kitamesume · « **Reply #23 on:** June 21, 2012, 06:53:51 AM »

^ using a laptop with those stuffs will frustrate you to no hell. a desktop could save you 400$ (600$ for a rig) with a quad ivy, heck you can get a hexa for around 900$.

simply put a laptop will never be as fast as a desktop on the same price range.

Edit: newer versions of autocad is CUDA accelerated.

1212magicman · « **Reply #24 on:** June 21, 2012, 06:55:30 AM »

[/quote] Wait a damn second. You said solidworks, afteraffects, CADs... etc and little to no gaming.

You NEED an i7 for those what you don't need is a GPU. An AMD apu will frustrate you to no hell with that.

@Kitamusume, this isn't a gaming rig. He will need the i7 for his work, the HD4000 is enough to allow him to play most games on low-med if he wants to waste some time, but he doesn't need a discrete card for anything else.
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The computer comes with a built in 630m its in the price. I can upgrade to the 650m. But yeah I'm not going to game, so I don't really need any upgrades in GPU.

Saras · « **Reply #25 on:** June 21, 2012, 06:57:19 AM »

Quote from: 1212magicman on June 21, 2012, 06:55:30 AM

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Then get the 17 inch one. It'll be good enough for those.

If it allows you, I would suggest exchanging the 5400rpm drive for the seagate momentus XT 750gig hybrid drive. If the price is manageable.

1212magicman · « **Reply #26 on:** June 21, 2012, 06:59:43 AM »

Quote from: kitamesume on June 21, 2012, 06:53:51 AM

^ using a laptop with those stuffs will frustrate you to no hell. a desktop could save you 400$ (600$ for a rig) with a quad ivy, heck you can get a hexa for around 900$.

simply put a laptop will never be as fast as a desktop on the same price range.

You guys complain about "lugging" around a 17.3" laptop. Can you imagine me carrying around a desktop all around campus? Besides I already have a desktop, and guess what, I don't use it for gaming >______>

Look I seriously won't need that much GPU (at least HD 4000) or CPU power (At least 2.7ghz dual core). I just need something that's portable and has a nice screen to watch anime on. Lets start all over, do you guys have any suggestions?

1212magicman · « **Reply #27 on:** June 21, 2012, 07:07:40 AM »

Alright so what about this. Its a 3rd generation i5. With 900P and a hybrid hard drive with SSD.

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
3rd generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3210M Processor (2.5 GHz with Turbo Boost up to 3.1 GHz)
NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) GT 630M Graphics with 1GB of dedicated video memory (I save 50$ if I go with HD 3000)
FREE UPGRADE to 8GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
FREE Upgrade to 750GB 5400RPM Hard Drive
32GB mSSD Hard Drive Acceleration Cache (This cost 50$)
30% off 9 cell Lithium Ion Battery (good charge)
17.3-inch diagonal HD BrightView LED-backlit Display (1600 x 900)
HP TrueVision HD Webcam
Intel 802.11b/g/n WLAN and Bluetooth(R)
Backlit Keyboard

964$ and without SSD, 914$

kitamesume · « **Reply #28 on:** June 21, 2012, 07:08:53 AM »

keep the GPU at least if you'll watch vids, intel still has that 24p issue.
remove the blue-ray player if its still there, i doubt you'd be buying 100$ blue-ray disks to justify the player.

Edit: if you aren't using your desktop then why not sell it to gain a few more bucks? then you can bump the budget to heck 1.3k?
i saw this while looking at HP's options http://www.shopping.hp.com/en_US/home-office/-/products/Laptops/HP-Pavilion/B2P41UA?HP-Pavilion-dv6-7014nr-Entertainment-Notebook-PC

Saras · « **Reply #29 on:** June 21, 2012, 07:10:35 AM »

Quote from: 1212magicman on June 21, 2012, 06:59:43 AM

Quote from: kitamesume on June 21, 2012, 06:53:51 AM
^ using a laptop with those stuffs will frustrate you to no hell. a desktop could save you 400$ (600$ for a rig) with a quad ivy, heck you can get a hexa for around 900$.

simply put a laptop will never be as fast as a desktop on the same price range.

You guys complain about "lugging" around a 17.3" laptop. Can you imagine me carrying around a desktop all around campus? Besides I already have a desktop, and guess what, I don't use it for gaming >______>

Look I seriously won't need that much GPU (at least HD 4000) or CPU power (At least 2.7ghz dual core). I just need something that's portable and has a nice screen to watch anime on. Lets start all over, do you guys have any suggestions?

Asus eee pc.

Now then, if you seriously don't mind carrying a 17 inch laptop, get that thing. It will be more than functional for all your needs. It's not ideal, but it doesn't have to be. I also went to that website, chuck in and extra 20$, you'll get hybrid 750gig drive. That's the only upgrade you're going to feel except for getting the FHD screen for another 175$

1212magicman · « **Reply #30 on:** June 21, 2012, 07:13:35 AM »

Quote from: Saras on June 21, 2012, 07:10:35 AM

Quote from: 1212magicman on June 21, 2012, 06:59:43 AM
Quote from: kitamesume on June 21, 2012, 06:53:51 AM
^ using a laptop with those stuffs will frustrate you to no hell. a desktop could save you 400$ (600$ for a rig) with a quad ivy, heck you can get a hexa for around 900$.

simply put a laptop will never be as fast as a desktop on the same price range.

You guys complain about "lugging" around a 17.3" laptop. Can you imagine me carrying around a desktop all around campus? Besides I already have a desktop, and guess what, I don't use it for gaming >______>

Look I seriously won't need that much GPU (at least HD 4000) or CPU power (At least 2.7ghz dual core). I just need something that's portable and has a nice screen to watch anime on. Lets start all over, do you guys have any suggestions?

Asus eee pc.

Now then, if you seriously don't mind carrying a 17 inch laptop, get that thing. It will be more than functional for all your needs. It's not ideal, but it doesn't have to be. I also went to that website, chuck in and extra 20$, you'll get hybrid 750gig drive. That's the only upgrade you're going to feel except for getting the FHD screen for another 175$

Check this out

Alright so what about this. Its a 3rd generation i5. With 900P and a hybrid hard drive with SSD.

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
3rd generation Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3210M Processor (2.5 GHz with Turbo Boost up to 3.1 GHz)
NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) GT 630M Graphics with 1GB of dedicated video memory (I save 50$ if I go with HD 3000)
FREE UPGRADE to 8GB DDR3 System Memory (2 Dimm)
FREE Upgrade to 750GB 5400RPM Hard Drive
32GB mSSD Hard Drive Acceleration Cache (This cost 50$)
30% off 9 cell Lithium Ion Battery (good charge)
17.3-inch diagonal HD BrightView LED-backlit Display (1600 x 900)
HP TrueVision HD Webcam
Intel 802.11b/g/n WLAN and Bluetooth(R)
Backlit Keyboard

964$ and without SSD, 914$

Saras · « **Reply #31 on:** June 21, 2012, 07:19:33 AM »

You don't need the GPU, if you go for the "750GB 7200 rpm Hybrid Hard Drive with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection", that's 20$ more than the 1tb 5400rpm drive, you won't need mSSD either.

I'd get the i7, but if you don't feel like you need one, don't. And you won't go with the HD3000, IVB integrated is the HD4000, you aren't buying a SB cpu here.

kitamesume · « **Reply #32 on:** June 21, 2012, 07:23:01 AM »

ok a few questions before you guys further discuss this.

1) will you be keeping the laptop for a few years?
2) how often will you be carrying it without docking?
3) how serious are you about your work?

now, if you're keeping the laptop for years then going all in would save you frustrations, like pushing the processor you can buy to the furthest, including a GPU or not, including an SSD(its a must in CAD imho), and so on.
if you won't be keeping it for more than lets say two years then go get something "just right" and just purchase a better one later on.
example: (span of 4years)
just right laptop 800$ - 2years = 800$x2 @ 4years.
maxed laptop 1400$ - 4years = 1400$ @ 4years.
note: you save 200$ in the long run.

if you'll be carrying it plenty and on long durations without docking then a quad would drain your battery too fast, you may be able to use CAD for two to three hours before your laptop hybernates.

if you're really serious about your work then building a workstation with a tesla will save you more worth than going with a power laptop, you could pilot your workstation with a good enough laptop remotely and make the workstation render the works for you.
if you aren't that serious then... pft i've seen people use their atom notebooks for CADs in collage, tho its slow but its usable.

1212magicman · « **Reply #33 on:** June 21, 2012, 07:31:00 AM »

Quote from: kitamesume on June 21, 2012, 07:23:01 AM

ok a few questions before you guys further discuss this.

1) will you be keeping the laptop for a few years?
2) how often will you be carrying it without docking?
3) how serious are you about your work?

now, if you're keeping the laptop for years then going all in would save you frustrations, like pushing the processor you can buy to the furthest, including a GPU or not, including an SSD(its a must in CAD imho), and so on.
if you won't be keeping it for more than lets say two years then go get something "just right" and just purchase a better one later on.
example: (span of 4years)
just right laptop 800$ - 2years = 800$x2 @ 4years.
maxed laptop 1400$ - 4years = 1400$ @ 4years.
note: you save 200$ in the long run.

if you'll be carrying it plenty and on long durations without docking then a quad would drain your battery too fast, you may be able to use CAD for two to three hours before your laptop hybernates.

if you're really serious about your work then building a workstation with a tesla will save you more worth than going with a power laptop, you could pilot your workstation with a good enough laptop remotely and make the workstation render the works for you.
if you aren't that serious then... pft i've seen people use their atom notebooks for CADs in collage, tho its slow but its usable.

I'll be keeping this laptop for at least 5 years. I will be carrying it around everywhere I go for about 6 hours a day.

However I will charge it here and there.

I'm serious about my work, but my laptop is not totally necessary. It will be used mainly to take notes, make graphs, and do some CAD on it. On the side I would like to do some After Effects on it, but it's not like I'm a Hollywood producer or anything, but just a note, I do have the skill to be one, on par with the special effects artist of transformers, but no where near his patience. I usually rush everything

, well I mean I'm not getting paid.

And I most definitely will not need a remote work station, ever. Also one thing I forgot to point out. Notice most laptops I choose are over 900$. Well HP lets you go without payments or interest for 12 months. So that means I have a whole year to pay it off, and I do not get charged interest. If it were any lower, I would only get 6 months to pay it off.

kitamesume · « **Reply #34 on:** June 21, 2012, 07:35:12 AM »

5years is plenty but the specs of a "just right" unit wouldn't hold out, what that means is that in a few years the unit you've purchased wouldn't hold a candle to the low end units of 4-5years from now. just like how the core2duos can't hold a candle with the i3s.

then shelling out a few more money would justify the bits of performance you can get, so that your unit won't be left behind.

PS: refresh the one you just quoted, i added explanations as to why.

Saras · « **Reply #35 on:** June 21, 2012, 07:42:34 AM »

The Dv7t Quad you first showed us would be mostly functional for 4 or so years for your work purposes. Get that.

1212magicman · « **Reply #36 on:** June 21, 2012, 07:45:03 AM »

Do you think that maybe computers *well especially laptops, desktops not so much

have reached a peak? Not to sure if I'm going to see drastic improvement of a i7 anytime soon. Its possible to be faster, but it has to get hotter, and it just wouldn't work out on a laptop without water cooling, or a huge heatsink which is unrealistic.

MFW I'm right and they come out with i9's that are water cooled laptops. O_O

kitamesume · « **Reply #37 on:** June 21, 2012, 07:50:55 AM »

they wont be needing water cooling, when it comes to laptop chips the designers are prioritizing lowering the wattage first which comes with it lower heat production. once they've hit the peak of that they start increasing performance little by little without increasing the wattage tremendously.

in two years from now the 14nm chips starts going out, named broadwell, it should be a whole level faster than this year's i7s and alot less power consuming and alot more cooler.

xShadow · « **Reply #38 on:** June 21, 2012, 08:21:15 AM »

Quote from: 1212magicman on June 21, 2012, 01:56:59 AM

Quote from: vuzedome on June 21, 2012, 12:25:59 AM
Quote from: megido-rev.M on June 21, 2012, 12:10:55 AM
How much battery do you require? AFAIK typical HP laptops drain out like mad.
Man what year are you from?
It's 20-freaking-12, HP's are reliable now but just still expensive in my opinion.

Name 1 computer that is cheaper than the HP I'm talking about with the same specs. I have no idea where you're coming from.

Quote from: xShadow on June 21, 2012, 01:29:43 AM

Like this one. I don't know if it has any heating issues or something, so try to check it online beforehand out if you wanna consider it.

Did you read the rest of my post anyway? Doubt it. That thing I linked doesn't have the same specs, but considering what you're thinking of doing, I believe it might be a better decision.

Saras · « **Reply #39 on:** June 21, 2012, 08:56:39 AM »

Quote from: xShadow on June 21, 2012, 08:21:15 AM

Quote from: 1212magicman on June 21, 2012, 01:56:59 AM
Quote from: vuzedome on June 21, 2012, 12:25:59 AM
Quote from: megido-rev.M on June 21, 2012, 12:10:55 AM
How much battery do you require? AFAIK typical HP laptops drain out like mad.
Man what year are you from?
It's 20-freaking-12, HP's are reliable now but just still expensive in my opinion.

Name 1 computer that is cheaper than the HP I'm talking about with the same specs. I have no idea where you're coming from.
Quote from: xShadow on June 21, 2012, 01:29:43 AM
Like this one. I don't know if it has any heating issues or something, so try to check it online beforehand out if you wanna consider it.

Did you read the rest of my post anyway? Doubt it. That thing I linked doesn't have the same specs, but considering what you're thinking of doing, I believe it might be a better decision.

He has a 500$ off coupon from HP. So I suppose that's why we're looking at it.