Optical drives becoming obsolete?

[megido-rev.M]

I have tried it before, using hdd instead of optical disc. Doesn't work for me. That Seagate hdd was new I think it happened in 2009 it failed twice(replaced twice in a gap of 2 months). I lost all the files on it (lost all the files twice too), Of course it's not caused by a virus. It's a hardware problem. I tried to save my files but it's really freakin slow, so I had re-downloaded them again after I got a replacement.

Well there's the problem.

[Freedom Kira]

I have tried it before, using hdd instead of optical disc. Doesn't work for me. That Seagate hdd was new I think it happened in 2009 it failed twice(replaced twice in a gap of 2 months). I lost all the files on it (lost all the files twice too), Of course it's not caused by a virus. It's a hardware problem. I tried to save my files but it's really freakin slow, so I had re-downloaded them again after I got a replacement.

Well there's the problem.

Stole the words right out of my keyboard.

kamiux - do your research, man. Don't just get the cheapest stuff - look at reviews and see how reliable the stuff you're getting is. Never get anything averaging under four eggs on Newegg, and if you ever do get anything averaging four eggs, be sure to comb the reviews thoroughly.

[kitamesume]

seagates under 500gb still is pretty durable tho =P or maybe anything under 500gb is durable XD

[1212magicman]

I have a seagate portable hard drive, its 1TB, covered in scratches from all the places I've taken it with me and still works brand new.

One trip with a CD not in a case in my backpack... and you know the rest.

[kitamesume]

can't wait for SDs to replace CDs, pros would be capacity, physical size, durability and ease of usage. cons would be price... and thats it, lol.

by replace i mean medias being sold in SDs instead of CDs.

[1212magicman]

I wish they would replace SD's and CD's and sell everything online as something that is downloadable and make it like a max of 5 times use or something. (To prevent sharing)

[revo]

I use RAID 0 and it's super awesome
significantly better performance and I naver had problems with it (2x Samsung F3 500GB)

That almost doubles the chances of losing data, and when you do lose it, you lose it ALL. RAID 0 isn't really a proper RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks). I use RAID 1 with 2 WD RE4s. It, however, only protects against drive failure. There are other problems that can happen, like file system corruption, and viruses.

All important data is backed up on my WDGreen 1TB
When I don't use RAID 0 whole system feels just too slow

[heittopussi]

I wish they would replace SD's and CD's and sell everything online as something that is downloadable and make it like a max of 5 times use or something. (To prevent sharing)

The Hell has not yet frozen and the cows are not flying despite the best efforts of all mankind.

[kitamesume]

I use RAID 0 and it's super awesome
significantly better performance and I naver had problems with it (2x Samsung F3 500GB)

That almost doubles the chances of losing data, and when you do lose it, you lose it ALL. RAID 0 isn't really a proper RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks). I use RAID 1 with 2 WD RE4s. It, however, only protects against drive failure. There are other problems that can happen, like file system corruption, and viruses.

All important data is backed up on my WDGreen 1TB
When I don't use RAID 0 whole system feels just too slow

SSD, life goes better with it.

[1212magicman]

I use RAID 0 and it's super awesome
significantly better performance and I naver had problems with it (2x Samsung F3 500GB)

That almost doubles the chances of losing data, and when you do lose it, you lose it ALL. RAID 0 isn't really a proper RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks). I use RAID 1 with 2 WD RE4s. It, however, only protects against drive failure. There are other problems that can happen, like file system corruption, and viruses.

All important data is backed up on my WDGreen 1TB
When I don't use RAID 0 whole system feels just too slow

SSD, life goes better with it.

Large hard drives with no RAID, and a mSSD cache is better in terms of performance/memory per dollar.

[Proin Drakenzol]

I use RAID 0 and it's super awesome
significantly better performance and I naver had problems with it (2x Samsung F3 500GB)

That almost doubles the chances of losing data, and when you do lose it, you lose it ALL. RAID 0 isn't really a proper RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks). I use RAID 1 with 2 WD RE4s. It, however, only protects against drive failure. There are other problems that can happen, like file system corruption, and viruses.

All important data is backed up on my WDGreen 1TB
When I don't use RAID 0 whole system feels just too slow

RAID 5, motherfucker.


That's right, I use a RAID 5 (4x 7200rpm 1TB Seagates) for my anime storage.

I use striping (2x 40GB Intel SSDs) for my OS for speedy cache reasons (and epeen).

But striping is not, as nstgc pointed out, RAID and people need to stop calling it that.

[nstgc]

I'll be going to RAID 5 once I get some more money for the drives, and a dedicated RAID card (I am not doing software RAID with level 5). I had some bad experience with RAID 5 in the past. I had 2 drives drop out of an array. This time I'm making sure my drives are made for RAID and that my RAID card won't fuck up either (it was a combination of the two).

[kitamesume]

which is more reliable tho, cheap hardware raid or intel's software raid, skip performance difference since its gonna be used for storage. well a dedicated real hardware raid ain't cheap either.

[nstgc]

If you are using a RAID for storage, software RAID with ZFS.

[Pagonis]

I use RAID 0 and it's super awesome
significantly better performance and I naver had problems with it (2x Samsung F3 500GB)

That almost doubles the chances of losing data, and when you do lose it, you lose it ALL. RAID 0 isn't really a proper RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks). I use RAID 1 with 2 WD RE4s. It, however, only protects against drive failure. There are other problems that can happen, like file system corruption, and viruses.

All important data is backed up on my WDGreen 1TB
When I don't use RAID 0 whole system feels just too slow

Doesn't system slow down after a while, because RAID-0 doesn't pass TRIM commands? Or do new SSDs finally have a good firmware (I use now old ones Intel X-25M on two PCs) that copes well enough without TRIM?

which is more reliable tho, cheap hardware raid or intel's software raid, skip performance difference since its gonna be used for storage. well a dedicated real hardware raid ain't cheap either.

Neither does checksums afaik. So both are crap for prolonged periods of storage.

If you are using a RAID for storage, software RAID with ZFS.

+1 ZFS is the best FS out there, big fan. Brings enterpraise level raid controller quality with cheap HDDs, and as replacing HDDs is so easy...
Nothing even comes close. Altho Win 8 server will have something similar and sooner or later poor Linux will catch up with it's BTRFS. Also, DragonflyBSD has poor man's ZFS - HAMMER.

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OT: seeing as next gen consoles (most popular gaming devices, most popular TV additions) will have optical mediums, they won't go away. Maybe when next next gen consoles arrive.

[per]

Nothing even comes close. Altho Win 8 server will have something similar and sooner or later poor Linux will catch up with it's BTRFS. Also, DragonflyBSD has poor man's ZFS - HAMMER.

I am running BTRFS at my workstation at work.

Never again... Frequently BTRFS is using 100% CPU for hours on end.
At times the whole computer locks up for 15 minutes or so.
Fairly frequently btrfs is using more than half the CPU, in realtime priority threads in the kernel.

All known errors, and they have been reported since 2011 at least, in my quick bug searches, and have been reported fixed at least four times.

I was going to ignore my prejudices and use something developed by Oracle (btrfs, that is).

Right.. Next time I am using ZFS on linux instead.

Also, even when it "works" the performance is deplorable, with 2x SSD:s in a mirror it takes seconds to delete large files (why? zfs does it instantly, and they have the source...) and the I/O bandwidth is about 100Mb/sec.

[TMRNetShark]

I think Disc drives will still be used on desktop computers... but as far as mobile devices? Yeah, old technology like spinning disks is not the best type of technology for something that is constantly being shaken, turned, and thrown around. I remember the old iPod 60 GB/80 GB had disc drives and I never felt comfortable jogging with it. XD

[nstgc]

Whenever you use software that isn't stable yet, you run the risk that something isn't going to work right. I haven't even bothered trying it yet. Considering that your FS is the #1 piece of software you don't want to get fucked up, it seems very foolish to use butter.

[Triltaison]

I think Disc drives will still be used on desktop computers... but as far as mobile devices? Yeah, old technology like spinning disks is not the best type of technology for something that is constantly being shaken, turned, and thrown around. I remember the old iPod 60 GB/80 GB had disc drives and I never felt comfortable jogging with it. XD

Oh, wow. You made me think of my poor first-gen PSP. I always feel like I'm going to break the thing with all of its angry demon noises as the UMD spins in it.

[nstgc]

The most durable DAP I've owned was a Sony Walkman. Not one of the new ones with the fancy displays, and flash memory. No no, this one had a small 20GB HDD in it, and the thing was a tank. Due to my absent mindedness it went through shit that I wouldn't dream of putting my current DAP through. They were built with the knowledge that they would be jostled. Laptops on the other hand, yeah, those thing shouldn't have HDD in them. ODDs, on the other hand, aren't too much of an issue. The problem with an HDD is if they fail mechanically, then the medium is as good as useless without some special equipment. ODDs on the other hand don't have this problem. If the drive breaks, the medium is almost certainly still good, unless you through the thing off the Empire State Building, in which case it may have Broken. The problem with ODDs is that aside from external storage, and software (games and videos) that big corporations like to pretend are like physical merchandise, they are useless.