Author Topic: Yay or Nay? The Windows 8 Metro Interface (Read 7230 times)

occasional · « **Reply #60 on:** August 23, 2012, 07:21:59 PM »

You don't just "get" viruses (anymore). You have to download something that's infected. If you're careful, you won't get infected. You don't really even need an antivirus, it's just a handy extra.

kitamesume · « **Reply #61 on:** August 23, 2012, 07:28:23 PM »

the problem is though, those viruses/spyware/botware/malware is every'ware' *chuckles*. even microsoft is sporting spywares onto their OSes imho XD don't mind it if you don't know what i meant.

metro. · « **Reply #62 on:** August 23, 2012, 08:31:36 PM »

Kita, I'm pretty sure we know what you mean

Back on topic though, is there a firm date of release for it?

Slysoft · « **Reply #63 on:** August 23, 2012, 08:43:22 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_8

Pagonis · « **Reply #64 on:** August 23, 2012, 09:01:31 PM »

Quote from: kitamesume on August 23, 2012, 06:32:55 PM

real good spy/botwares hides themselves imho, some even disable themselves during scans. ask real hackers if you wanna know, lol that is if you know what i mean.

These kinds of malware are irelevant, because you're an irelevant target...

megido-rev.M · « **Reply #65 on:** August 24, 2012, 03:54:04 AM »

Do realize that the more recently trending attacks come from web scripts when you least expect them.

datora · « **Reply #66 on:** August 26, 2012, 08:24:35 PM »

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microsoft ... just ... oh, just as fucking retarded as ever.

- http://log.nadim.cc/?p=78
- http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/24/3264942/windows-8-smartscreen-privacy-nadim-kobeissi
- http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Windows-8-SmartScreen-Security-Nadim-Kobeissi-SSLv2,17171.html
- http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/08/windows-8-privacy-complaint-misses-the-forest-for-the-trees/

And then, classic denial ...

- http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/25/windows8_smartscreen_spying/

[ EDIT: Actually, now that I think about it ... there's probably already something like that in Win 7, or probably already in or will be in a "Security" update. Probably a Good Idea to keep an ear to the ground to see if anyone turns up a predecessor to Smartscreen showing up in previous Win versions, or getting added in as some sort of a "patch." ]

Pagonis · « **Reply #67 on:** August 26, 2012, 09:09:07 PM »

Quote from: datora on August 26, 2012, 08:24:35 PM

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microsoft ... just ... oh, just as fucking retarded as ever.

- http://log.nadim.cc/?p=78
- http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/24/3264942/windows-8-smartscreen-privacy-nadim-kobeissi
- http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Windows-8-SmartScreen-Security-Nadim-Kobeissi-SSLv2,17171.html
- http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/08/windows-8-privacy-complaint-misses-the-forest-for-the-trees/

And then, classic denial ...

- http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/25/windows8_smartscreen_spying/

[ EDIT: Actually, now that I think about it ... there's probably already something like that in Win 7, or probably already in or will be in a "Security" update. Probably a Good Idea to keep an ear to the ground to see if anyone turns up a predecessor to Smartscreen showing up in previous Win versions, or getting added in as some sort of a "patch." ]

+ shoulda drawn a circle around TURN OFF...

Okay I don't get it. Please explain what's the fuss all about?.. Clearly states - turning it on sends information about apps.. Something akin to "help improve experience" in Windows 7, Office and Visual Studio..

Seems like a truckload of FUD from Linux zealots.

Bob2004 · « **Reply #68 on:** August 26, 2012, 09:58:25 PM »

@Pagonis: Basically, it sends the name of the file along with a hash (which uniquely identifies that executable file) to Microsoft, who then check it, and if it's on their list of known malware, Windows block it from running. The concern is that Microsoft can use this to identify what applications you've been running. Which, IMO, is relatively unlikely, but who knows.

The bigger concern though, as that Ars article pointed out, is that every single Metro app HAS to be installed via the Windows store. So, in other words, every program that makes any use of the new Windows 8 features, has to be downloaded straight from Microsoft anyway. Who can then link that data to, at the least an email address, and potentially a name and billing information too. Which is a ridiculously massively huge issue to begin with anyway (with potential legal issues - as MS already know from internet explorer), but even setting that aside, the privacy risk makes that silly little optional smartscreen thing pale in comparison.

datora · « **Reply #69 on:** August 27, 2012, 12:44:51 AM »

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Quote from: Pagonis on August 26, 2012, 09:09:07 PM

Okay I don't get it.

No. You don't. It must suck to be you, stumbling through life so clueless and stupid.

There were links. They provide copious information, lots of vocabulary to search out the issues. If you can't read for comprehension and do your own homework, don't think for a minute I'm going to waste my time trying to "explain" anything to you. It's pretty clear where you're coming from and I won't engage you in your "I haz a unconcerned and MICROSOFT IZ T3H AWSOMES" trolling.

Pagonis · « **Reply #70 on:** August 27, 2012, 12:34:25 PM »

Quote from: datora on August 27, 2012, 12:44:51 AM

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Quote from: Pagonis on August 26, 2012, 09:09:07 PM
Okay I don't get it.

No. You don't. It must suck to be you, stumbling through life so clueless and stupid.

There were links. They provide copious information, lots of vocabulary to search out the issues. If you can't read for comprehension and do your own homework, don't think for a minute I'm going to waste my time trying to "explain" anything to you. It's pretty clear where you're coming from and I won't engage you in your "I haz a unconcerned and MICROSOFT IZ T3H AWSOMES" trolling.

They clearly state - information about apps might (=absolutely will) get sent if you do not TURN it OFF. And then here comes pro Linux and pro Apple fans - "OOOH THAT SLEAZY MS SNEAKING SPYWARE... OH NOOO, NOT JUST IN WIN8, BUT VIA SNEAKY SSSSNEAKY (MASKED AS A IMPORTANT SECURITY, SO SNEAKY ZOMG) WIN7 PATCH (maybe)".

If you sign up for "I want to get fucked" and then you get fucked, deal with it and maybe you're the clueless one.

Still don't get what's all the fuzz about. If they were to send information and I couldn't prevent - yea, I would go back to FreeBSD or ArchLinux.

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The bigger concern though, as that Ars article pointed out, is that every single Metro app HAS to be installed via the Windows store. So, in other words, every program that makes any use of the new Windows 8 features, has to be downloaded straight from Microsoft anyway. Who can then link that data to, at the least an email address, and potentially a name and billing information too.

Okay, deleting (or will those sleazy bastards will really delete my profile??) Facebook, Gmail, Steam, Origin, Battle.net, Paypal, eBay, Amazon (omg they know what I buy :OOOOOO), Last.fm, xBox Live, PSN accounts. And my bank's e-system account. Because... Damn, they know my incomes, what and how much I pay for and OMG OMG OMG OOOOOMMMMMGG. And then smash my phone - they know what numbers I called.

Oh wait, welcome to 21st century, it must be new to you.

kitamesume · « **Reply #71 on:** August 27, 2012, 12:53:34 PM »

cut it out with the childish attitude, its not funny, its annoying like a 4year old girl that didnt get her lollipop. get a grip of reality.

microsoft will always be like that, and i doubt they'd ever change. if you don't like it, don't get it, as simple as that. or better yet, gtfo the thread.

Pagonis · « **Reply #72 on:** August 27, 2012, 02:00:35 PM »

Quote from: kitamesume on August 27, 2012, 12:53:34 PM

cut it out with the childish attitude, its not funny, its annoying like a 4year old girl that didnt get her lollipop. get a grip of reality.

microsoft will always be like that, and i doubt they'd ever change. if you don't like it, don't get it, as simple as that. or better yet, gtfo the thread.

So is Google, Apple and everyone else. Old reality. Why it's getting escalated again? Weak argument against Windows 8.

nstgc · « **Reply #73 on:** August 27, 2012, 06:51:04 PM »

MS will probably turn around and modify or revoke most of the features that are going to make this a failure as a desktop OS in their next Windows OS. It'll be the new Vista. There really is no reason to bitch about it. 7 is a fine OS as far as Windows goes, people just won't switch. It happened with Vista it will happen with 8.

kitamesume · « **Reply #74 on:** August 28, 2012, 12:25:54 PM »

the only OSes that really worked well were windows98, windowsXP and windows7, all those inbetweens like windows2000 and windows vista had too much issues with them that made people stick with their current OSes during their time. the same thing seems to be happening with windows8, indeed.

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #75 on:** August 28, 2012, 06:37:04 PM »

Quote from: kitamesume on August 28, 2012, 12:25:54 PM

the only OSes that really worked well were windows98, windowsXP and windows7, all those inbetweens like windows2000 and windows vista had too much issues with them that made people stick with their current OSes during their time. the same thing seems to be happening with windows8, indeed.

Windows 98? Are you kidding me? It wasn't even decent until SE came out.

All of the non-NT Windows before 2000 sucked. Windows 2000 is based off of NT, which is why it was pretty good.

Don't mix up 2000 and ME. 2000 was a good build, ME was Microsoft's worst mistake.

kitamesume · « **Reply #76 on:** August 29, 2012, 12:02:19 AM »

windows98 was decent at the years around 1998 to 2000, once win2000 game out win98's users got split in two. so yes win98 was decent on it's year bracket.

i forgot about win2000 because xp came out too fast.

edit: the time win2000 came out i didnt have the necessary budget to buy one, but by the time winxp came out i had replaced my pentium2 for a pentium4 =O so, pfft win2000 you out of luck.

datora · « **Reply #77 on:** August 31, 2012, 09:34:00 AM »

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Microsoft just updated their Terms of Use Agreement.

If you use a Microsoft product, effective 27 August 2012:

- http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-live/microsoft-services-agreement

You agree to waive your litigation rights:

10.3. Binding arbitration
10.4. Class action waiver

Still working my way through it and googling up references & interpretations. Not pretty.

avatarl · « **Reply #78 on:** August 31, 2012, 04:06:36 PM »

Quote from: datora on August 31, 2012, 09:34:00 AM

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Microsoft just updated their Terms of Use Agreement.

If you use a Microsoft product, effective 27 August 2012:

- http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-live/microsoft-services-agreement

You agree to waive your litigation rights:

10.3. Binding arbitration
10.4. Class action waiver

Still working my way through it and googling up references & interpretations. Not pretty.

License agreements are always fun to read. xP

Sherlock · « **Reply #79 on:** September 10, 2012, 01:27:18 PM »

Meh.. Win 8 looks bad! Why the hell is Microsoft downgrading their OS from a desktop oriented one to a tablet oriented one ffs. I definitely won't be using this. Then again, the last Windows I used was XP, which I still feel was the best thing that came out of Microsoft's stable. Windows 7 would be ok imo, but I would rather my games and apps used my Graphics card instead of my OS[But it was atleast less of a humongous blunder that Vista was.]

I still don't get all the fuss they made about being more security enhanced in Win 7 though. Never got anything in XP and I never paid for anything either. A combination of Avira and Comodo[both freeware] mostly did the trick for me.

That being said however, I'm just wondering what to go with when I get a new Desktop. Linux would be my obvious choice, but I hate the lag that Wine/VirtualBox produces while playing games for me.