Author Topic: Western Digital or Seagate (Read 13165 times)

Keitaro08 · « **Reply #140 on:** August 02, 2012, 07:47:40 PM »

I was keen on Seagate before they bought Maxtor. Since then, their HDDs are crappy.

WD are way better, excepted for the green series.... The Re series are really best in their classes.

Dhruv · « **Reply #141 on:** August 03, 2012, 03:08:45 AM »

Quote from: Keitaro08 on August 02, 2012, 07:47:40 PM

I was keen on Seagate before they bought Maxtor. Since then, their HDDs are crappy.

WD are way better, excepted for the green series.... The Re series are really best in their classes.

Which one are you referring to?
RE or RE SAS? Those are internal and i want external but thanks

And now i am glad i gave up on My book Studio Edition 2... it uses Caviar Green Drives only.

Tatsujin · « **Reply #142 on:** August 03, 2012, 03:13:57 AM »

Quote from: Keitaro08 on August 02, 2012, 07:47:40 PM

I was keen on Seagate before they bought Maxtor. Since then, their HDDs are crappy.

WD are way better, excepted for the green series.... The Re series are really best in their classes.

Green series is ONLY good for media playback and NOTHING else. So if you want to play music off of it or you want to store videos on it or pictures, then that's good for it. If you're looking to WORK from it like on PhotoShop, MEGUI, Vegas Pro, or install programs on it, or run your Operation System off of it, or use it for RAM HDD (or whatever it is called) or anything then that's the wrong series and it will utterly fail sooner or later.

Dhruv · « **Reply #143 on:** August 03, 2012, 03:22:39 AM »

Quote from: Tatsujin on August 03, 2012, 03:13:57 AM

Green series is ONLY good for media playback and NOTHING else. So if you want to play music off of it or you want to store videos on it or pictures, then that's good for it. If you're looking to WORK from it like on PhotoShop, MEGUI, Vegas Pro, or install programs on it, or run your Operation System off of it, or use it for RAM HDD (or whatever it is called) or anything then that's the wrong series and it will utterly fail sooner or later.

I do play a few games... but that is a rarity...
Green is highly unreliable if it is like you say.
Imagine playing a 1080p anime with a bitrate of 10000kbps.... i guess the data inflow/outflow would be almost the same as for game... and this on a regular basis... it will fail soon like you said.

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #144 on:** August 03, 2012, 06:10:22 AM »

Quote from: Dhruv on August 03, 2012, 03:08:45 AM

Those are internal and i want external but thanks

You can always get an internal drive and an external enclosure. That way, you know what drive is going into your hardware. Internal drives are usually more consistent in terms of failures too, and so it's generally easier to judge the reliability of internal drives over external ones.

People always worry about external enclosures, but in all honesty, it's a two-minute job to assemble one. If you know how to use a screwdriver and to keep yourself free of static electricity, you're already 95% done.

Quote from: Dhruv on August 03, 2012, 03:22:39 AM

Green is highly unreliable if it is like you say.
Imagine playing a 1080p anime with a bitrate of 10000kbps.... i guess the data inflow/outflow would be almost the same as for game... and this on a regular basis... it will fail soon like you said.

Green is not unreliable. It is just not recommended for applications where performance is a requirement. If it's just for data storage that is always on but not accessed often, it will save electricity in the long run, because it's designed to spin down when idle for long periods of time.

Playing video or any kind of media is not the same as running a game. Generally, when you play back a media file, you read it from beginning to end. When running a game or some data-heavy application, you access data that is scattered over the disk, so you experience greater delays as you seek for the data. That's why 1080p playback can be smooth even if it's accessing data at a higher rate than a game that lags a lot.

Dhruv · « **Reply #145 on:** August 03, 2012, 06:53:57 AM »

Quote from: Freedom Kira on August 03, 2012, 06:10:22 AM

You can always get an internal drive and an external enclosure. That way, you know what drive is going into your hardware. Internal drives are usually more consistent in terms of failures too, and so it's generally easier to judge the reliability of internal drives over external ones.

People always worry about external enclosures, but in all honesty, it's a two-minute job to assemble one. If you know how to use a screwdriver and to keep yourself free of static electricity, you're already 95% done.

What is the remaining 5% about then?
Yeah i can do this much of assembling atleast. I guess i'll inquire about this option too. Western Digital AV-GP drive can be use used for this purpose.

Quote from: Freedom Kira on August 03, 2012, 06:10:22 AM

Green is not unreliable. It is just not recommended for applications where performance is a requirement. If it's just for data storage that is always on but not accessed often, it will save electricity in the long run, because it's designed to spin down when idle for long periods of time.

Playing video or any kind of media is not the same as running a game. Generally, when you play back a media file, you read it from beginning to end. When running a game or some data-heavy application, you access data that is scattered over the disk, so you experience greater delays as you seek for the data. That's why 1080p playback can be smooth even if it's accessing data at a higher rate than a game that lags a lot.

Does that mean if you have an internal drive that is Green and you play games on that PC it will fail?!

* Dhruv goes to check his new laptop.

megido-rev.M · « **Reply #146 on:** August 04, 2012, 01:42:34 AM »

As far as Greens go they simply don't run that much power, which pretty much limits its performance pretty badly depending on the amount of activity required.

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #147 on:** August 04, 2012, 07:06:30 AM »

Quote from: Dhruv on August 03, 2012, 06:53:57 AM

What is the remaining 5% about then?

The actual assembly process?

Quote from: Dhruv on August 03, 2012, 06:53:57 AM

Does that mean if you have an internal drive that is Green and you play games on that PC it will fail?!
* Dhruv goes to check his new laptop.

I don't get how you got that out of what I said. My first line was "Green is not unreliable." A Green drive is simply not designed for high-performance tasks. Imagine using a Smart Fourtwo in a professional car race - it won't break down, but it is not the ideal choice for the job.

Dhruv · « **Reply #148 on:** August 04, 2012, 08:00:33 AM »

Quote from: Freedom Kira on August 04, 2012, 07:06:30 AM

I don't get how you got that out of what I said. My first line was "Green is not unreliable." A Green drive is simply not designed for high-performance tasks. Imagine using a Smart Fourtwo in a professional car race - it won't break down, but it is not the ideal choice for the job.

Well the car will break down if you keep using it again and again for this race.
But yeah i agree not anytime soon though. How are AV-GP drives though? I migh use it for assembling...

kitamesume · « **Reply #149 on:** August 04, 2012, 10:59:00 AM »

<---- using a 1TB WD blue for torrent drive, hasn't broken down so far.

Dhruv · « **Reply #150 on:** August 04, 2012, 12:55:31 PM »

I use my laptop drive to download and that is like 320GB enough to download almost anything
External is used as a storage and for 8 hrs of seeding per day

megido-rev.M · « **Reply #151 on:** August 04, 2012, 08:06:06 PM »

Quote from: kitamesume on August 04, 2012, 10:59:00 AM

<---- using a 1TB WD blue for torrent drive, hasn't broken down so far.

Blue is about 50/50.

kitamesume · « **Reply #152 on:** August 04, 2012, 08:27:59 PM »

im expecting it to last at least 2years, by that time i'll be lovin my new 3TB drive.

megido-rev.M · « **Reply #153 on:** August 04, 2012, 08:50:14 PM »

A mere 2 years is kinda short in my view.

kitamesume · « **Reply #154 on:** August 04, 2012, 09:27:07 PM »

precisely why im not concerned for the longest lifespan, usually i change my rigs once every one or two years which includes an HDD in it, it would mean that my next upgrade would have at least a 3TB that will accommodate whatever files the 1TB had, and since its 2years later it would be practical to think that the 3TBs of that time should be way more durable than this year's.

if by any chance the 1TB survives a few more years after the initial 2years then i'd be playin with it as a mirror copy of drives.

buchno · « **Reply #155 on:** August 04, 2012, 09:53:01 PM »

Quote from: kitamesume on August 04, 2012, 09:27:07 PM

precisely why im not concerned for the longest lifespan, usually i change my rigs once every one or two years which includes an HDD in it, it would mean that my next upgrade would have at least a 3TB that will accommodate whatever files the 1TB had, and since its 2years later it would be practical to think that the 3TBs of that time should be way more durable than this year's.

if by any chance the 1TB survives a few more years after the initial 2years then i'd be playin with it as a mirror copy of drives.

You never keep the drives?
4TB is nonetheless 33% more space.

Edit: Nvm, I'm tired and missed your second paragraph

Dhruv · « **Reply #156 on:** August 05, 2012, 01:15:59 AM »

I bought my 2TB drive 7 months ago... I am expecting it to last atleast more than 3 years. It's a seagate so it may be shit but it's from seagate's last good batch.

By then i would have setup a NAS unit with RAID so i wouldn't have to worry about disk failure.
I'll have to see about blue though. I have heard Black is good too. And velociraptor is fast.

megido-rev.M · « **Reply #157 on:** August 05, 2012, 01:49:51 AM »

^ The Black performs better than Blue. As for Velociraptor, it has 10K RPM and is way more expensive.

Dhruv · « **Reply #158 on:** August 05, 2012, 03:42:27 AM »

Quote from: megido-rev.M on August 05, 2012, 01:49:51 AM

^ The Black performs better than Blue. As for Velociraptor, it has 10K RPM and is way more expensive.

I guess Black is the second best drive in terms of performance
And velociraptor is the best. It's for 15,000 INR over here for 1TB. Divide it by 55 to get it's price in USD.
There is a new drive from Western Digital. It's named Red and is for NAS unit. So can i use it as an external drive after putting it in an external enclosure(not in an NAS unit) like kira suggested? I mean can it be put into an external enclosure which isn't a NAS unit.

Freedom Kira · « **Reply #159 on:** August 05, 2012, 06:31:27 AM »

First off, the Velociraptor series was designed for performance, to be used as an OS drive. It was not meant for lots of data access, but rather for speed. It is outperformed by modern SSDs so it is kind of a mid-grade performance disk. Don't use it for just storing lots of data, that's a big waste of its potential unless you're running some kind of intermediate to heavy server that requires quick and heavy data access.

Second, it's hard to say about the Red because it is so new. It is recommended to be used in NAS units so I would expect it to be set up to RAID very easily (not that RAID is not already easy in the first place). I would not be so quick to say that it would work well in an enclosure for that reason. Play it safe and use a Green drive in the enclosure instead. You'll probably save on electricity too.

Obviously, there's no reason why it wouldn't work, but again, it's marketed as designed for NAS units. So the simple answer would be "yes, it can be put into an enclosure." The main worry is how much it would benefit you.