Western Digital or Seagate

[Dhruv]

First off, the Velociraptor series was designed for performance, to be used as an OS drive. It was not meant for lots of data access, but rather for speed. It is outperformed by modern SSDs so it is kind of a mid-grade performance disk. Don't use it for just storing lots of data, that's a big waste of its potential unless you're running some kind of intermediate to heavy server that requires quick and heavy data access.

Second, it's hard to say about the Red because it is so new. It is recommended to be used in NAS units so I would expect it to be set up to RAID very easily (not that RAID is not already easy in the first place). I would not be so quick to say that it would work well in an enclosure for that reason. Play it safe and use a Green drive in the enclosure instead. You'll probably save on electricity too.

Obviously, there's no reason why it wouldn't work, but again, it's marketed as designed for NAS units. So the simple answer would be "yes, it can be put into an enclosure." The main worry is how much it would benefit you.

Well i guess velociraptor would be good for using it as the main hard drive in the CPU...more for playing games or photoshop appications more like for high performance applications. So yeah it pretty much destroys it's purpose if it is used for only storage purpose.

And about Red...i'll probably ask an expert if that can be done or not. I do know a guy who retails or builds an NAS unit. Maybe he'll know about the RED drive. And with the enclosure if it's cheaper and more economical than elements then why not. But i'll have to see it's performance and capacity options myself as i have almost no knowledge about it. I don't even know if it's available here or not. Kira since you use NAS yourself what is the requirement o the drives used?! Can they be used 24x7?

[Freedom Kira]

Kira since you use NAS yourself what is the requirement o the drives used?! Can they be used 24x7?

I just picked out disks that had good review scores. Back when Samsung was not a Seagate brand (I can't really say much right now, since it hasn't been very long since Seagate acquired them), they were a solid brand, and had very good review scores. The Hitachis I have now are solid regardless.

If there are disks out there designed specifically for 24/7 use, that would be the drive of choice. Otherwise, any disk that appears to be pretty damn solid would be good for a NAS application.

[Dhruv]

Kira since you use NAS yourself what is the requirement o the drives used?! Can they be used 24x7?

I just picked out disks that had good review scores. Back when Samsung was not a Seagate brand (I can't really say much right now, since it hasn't been very long since Seagate acquired them), they were a solid brand, and had very good review scores. The Hitachis I have now are solid regardless.

If there are disks out there designed specifically for 24/7 use, that would be the drive of choice. Otherwise, any disk that appears to be pretty damn solid would be good for a NAS application.

Maybe we should wait for some reviews on The Western Digital Red Drive.... i am kinda interested in it too.
It is solid no doubt about that... they are specifically designed for NAS.

[kitamesume]

theoretically any HDD will work on a NAS, with a redundancy setup it would secure the files from sudden failures, although their durability will decide how often you'd replace the HDDs.

[Dhruv]

theoretically any HDD will work on a NAS, with a redundancy setup it would secure the files from sudden failures, although their durability will decide how often you'd replace the HDDs.

Maybe Red has been designed to be durable... That is why they are specially designed for NAS...

[raandomer]

theoretically any HDD will work on a NAS, with a redundancy setup it would secure the files from sudden failures, although their durability will decide how often you'd replace the HDDs.

try setting up a nas using hdds that have fast head parking, guarantee you'll throw it in the bin within 6 months (with moderate usage). Also, you'll want a drive with some sort of ERC (like wd's tler) if your using raid, or again you'll be up shitcreek in not time.

Btw, just get a straight external, it wont be cheaper getting your own enclosure (due to the flood + contracts, asshole companies keeping capacity permanently lowered, etc).

And why the hate on "green" (5400) drives? You'll be using it as an external, unless you've got native usb3 (no those nec, or any thrid party controller dont count), esata or thunderbolt the link will be saturated long before a 5400rpm drive is at its max.

Also, externals are really only designed to be used lightly as a backup solution or a large portable storage, it'd be best to go with an internal if its going to recieve a hammering.

[Dhruv]

theoretically any HDD will work on a NAS, with a redundancy setup it would secure the files from sudden failures, although their durability will decide how often you'd replace the HDDs.

try setting up a nas using hdds that have fast head parking, guarantee you'll throw it in the bin within 6 months (with moderate usage). Also, you'll want a drive with some sort of ERC (like wd's tler) if your using raid, or again you'll be up shitcreek in not time.

Btw, just get a straight external, it wont be cheaper getting your own enclosure (due to the flood + contracts, asshole companies keeping capacity permanently lowered, etc).

And why the hate on "green" (5400) drives? You'll be using it as an external, unless you've got native usb3 (no those nec, or any thrid party controller dont count), esata or thunderbolt the link will be saturated long before a 5400rpm drive is at its max.

Also, externals are really only designed to be used lightly as a backup solution or a large portable storage, it'd be best to go with an internal if its going to recieve a hammering.

What do you say about Western Digital Red... Specifically designed for NAS...
But yeah i get it.. Externals are only designed for storage purpose not for the hammering we give to our internals
They are not designed to be used 24x7
I use mine only for 8 hrs a day for seeding purpose... That is one of the reason i am comsidering putting an internal drive in an external enclosure... So that i can use it for more than 8 hrs a day
But there is a nice external drive in elements... It's pretty good if you ask me

[raandomer]

What do you say about Western Digital Red... Specifically designed for NAS...
But yeah i get it.. Externals are only designed for storage purpose not for the hammering we give to our internals
They are not designed to be used 24x7
I use mine only for 8 hrs a day for seeding purpose... That is one of the reason i am comsidering putting an internal drive in an external enclosure... So that i can use it for more than 8 hrs a day
But there is a nice external drive in elements... It's pretty good if you ask me

I cant really comment on it seeing as i havent used one before, but my gut feeling tells me wd is trying to monopolise the soho market and build its reputation back up after the green debacle (now fixed). It pretty much sounds like a consumer drive but with suped up firmware. There's nothing similar on the market right now so its hard to make a comparison.

For your purpose i wouldnt bother since it'll be overspec, also i'd get an internal instead if your intending to seed with it (unless you'll be moving the drive around)

[Dhruv]

What do you say about Western Digital Red... Specifically designed for NAS...
But yeah i get it.. Externals are only designed for storage purpose not for the hammering we give to our internals
They are not designed to be used 24x7
I use mine only for 8 hrs a day for seeding purpose... That is one of the reason i am comsidering putting an internal drive in an external enclosure... So that i can use it for more than 8 hrs a day
But there is a nice external drive in elements... It's pretty good if you ask me

I cant really comment on it seeing as i havent used one before, but my gut feeling tells me wd is trying to monopolise the soho market and build its reputation back up after the green debacle (now fixed). It pretty much sounds like a consumer drive but with suped up firmware. There's nothing similar on the market right now so its hard to make a comparison.

For your purpose i wouldnt bother since it'll be overspec, also i'd get an internal instead if your intending to seed with it (unless you'll be moving the drive around)

I don't think i'll be moving it around much... More like from My table to the almirah
The enclosures are a problem though...
I don't know where to get one from... Or how should one be

[Freedom Kira]

I use mine only for 8 hrs a day for seeding purpose... That is one of the reason i am comsidering putting an internal drive in an external enclosure... So that i can use it for more than 8 hrs a day

This makes no sense to me. Where did you hear that you have to have your own enclosure if you plan to use it more than eight hours a day?

[Dhruv]

I use mine only for 8 hrs a day for seeding purpose... That is one of the reason i am comsidering putting an internal drive in an external enclosure... So that i can use it for more than 8 hrs a day

This makes no sense to me. Where did you hear that you have to have your own enclosure if you plan to use it more than eight hours a day?

One of the reasons i should stop posting from my phone...
well can you use an internal drive without putting it in an enclosure? I have no idea about it so you tell me....

[Freedom Kira]

well can you use an internal drive without putting it in an enclosure? I have no idea about it so you tell me....

Well yes, you can put it into your computer like it was meant to be put. =P

Otherwise, there's nothing stopping anyone from using an external, custom enclosure or not, for as long as they feel like. There are plenty of users on BBT who seed 24/7 from external drives.

[Tephnos]

Kind of skipped over the bulk of the topic, but I will chime in with some HDD suggestions.

The best I've generally found are the samsung F3 and F4 respectively. The F3 is the faster 7200rpm drive with 1TB storage, and the F4 is the slower 5200rpm (I think that's the figure) drive with 2TB storage.

Or it might be the other way around. However, for the price of them they're absolutely brilliant. They've been doing me fine for a long time now.

[megido-rev.M]

I use mine only for 8 hrs a day for seeding purpose... That is one of the reason i am comsidering putting an internal drive in an external enclosure... So that i can use it for more than 8 hrs a day

This makes no sense to me. Where did you hear that you have to have your own enclosure if you plan to use it more than eight hours a day?

One of the reasons i should stop posting from my phone...
well can you use an internal drive without putting it in an enclosure? I have no idea about it so you tell me....

They're only called internal when inside the machine lol.

[Freedom Kira]

The best I've generally found are the samsung F3 and F4 respectively. The F3 is the faster 7200rpm drive with 1TB storage, and the F4 is the slower 5200rpm (I think that's the figure) drive with 2TB storage.

Or it might be the other way around. However, for the price of them they're absolutely brilliant. They've been doing me fine for a long time now.

I bet you got those drives before the recent Seagate/Samsung merger. Now that Seagate is in the picture, you should be a bit more careful about recommending Samsung drives.

Also, they should be 5400rpm. No drive spins at 5200rpm afaik. Seagate has the special 5900s, but that's it.

[Dhruv]

Well yes, you can put it into your computer like it was meant to be put. =P

Otherwise, there's nothing stopping anyone from using an external, custom enclosure or not, for as long as they feel like. There are plenty of users on BBT who seed 24/7 from external drives.

Well i used to seed 24x7 from my external drive too... but they are only designed for storage and will quickly die if i keep using them the way i used to...
And External Enclosure i am referring to means not the computer but something like in which an external drive comes since i have heard that internal are good for seeding 24x7. Basically it would be an internal drive(i.e. caviar green, Blue) in an external enclosure which isn't a computer.

Kind of skipped over the bulk of the topic, but I will chime in with some HDD suggestions.

The best I've generally found are the samsung F3 and F4 respectively. The F3 is the faster 7200rpm drive with 1TB storage, and the F4 is the slower 5200rpm (I think that's the figure) drive with 2TB storage.

Or it might be the other way around. However, for the price of them they're absolutely brilliant. They've been doing me fine for a long time now.

Like Kira said... 5400rpm is there not 5200rpm.

[Tephnos]

I knew I got the numbers mixed up. 5400 it is.

I personally wasn't aware of that kind of merger. Guess I'll have to be more careful when next buying a HD then.

Or I'm just going to buy SSDs from now on.

[Dhruv]

I knew I got the numbers mixed up. 5400 it is.

I personally wasn't aware of that kind of merger. Guess I'll have to be more careful when next buying a HD then.

Or I'm just going to buy SSDs from now on.

You can buy western digital elements drive... It is pretty reliable like tatsujin said... I may do the same.

[krumm]

I knew I got the numbers mixed up. 5400 it is.

I personally wasn't aware of that kind of merger. Guess I'll have to be more careful when next buying a HD then.

Or I'm just going to buy SSDs from now on.

You can buy western digital elements drive... It is pretty reliable like tatsujin said... I may do the same.

apples to oranges

[Dhruv]

I knew I got the numbers mixed up. 5400 it is.

I personally wasn't aware of that kind of merger. Guess I'll have to be more careful when next buying a HD then.

Or I'm just going to buy SSDs from now on.

You can buy western digital elements drive... It is pretty reliable like tatsujin said... I may do the same.

apples to oranges

I'm really sorry i didn't mention it was an external drive and i was telling him to try continuing using the externals with it.