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Dhruv:

--- Quote from: raandomer on August 26, 2012, 04:36:40 AM ---since your set on the element just get it and be happy.

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Elements is pretty tough considering what tsutujin(not sure of the spelling) said... He has 4 of them and all of them are working fine and are very old.

Also I have heard about Black's warranty... 5 years I guess. Pretty long but it is expensive with a high per TB cost. But if it works... Probably worth it.

xShadow:

--- Quote from: Dhruv on August 26, 2012, 04:14:44 AM ---Black is a pretty good drive I must say. Can be used as an as an external after putting it in an enclosure. I don't need it right now though. And I am pretty much stuck on elements. I'd I don't get that drive I'll probably consider Black with an external enclosure.

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I was simply putting it out there in a random hard drive thread. Didn't have to be this one.


--- Quote from: raandomer on August 26, 2012, 04:36:40 AM ---curious to know why you consider seagate to be crap

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It's no secret. They've generally been on the worse side when it comes to any kind of reviews. I don't know if they've improved recently, but even if they have with the WD Black being an overall higher quality drive and costing just a bit more while having a FIVE year warranty as opposed to Seagate's generally amazing ONE year warranties. As someone pointed out in a review that addressed Samsung's warranties going down to ONE YEAR (!!!!!!) recently, I really doubt they have much faith in their drives themselves, if the warranty is just one friggin year. Not to mention the current costs of Seagate 2TB drives is around 120-200 dollars. With that deal I pointed out earlier you're spending 27 dollars more to have a vastly superior drive. If you can't see the advantage here, I don't know what else to say.

raandomer:
oh so its value your looking at, not performance/reliability, fair enough. Btw, can you link me to the reviews that show seagates perform significantly worse (or less reliable) than other drives.

And with the warranty cuttings (wd was doing it as well btw) i find it a good thing really since theres less warranty overhead, more money can be used for r&d which will ultimate benefit the consumer in the end. It's fine for me since most my drives either fail in the first year, or i pull them out of service as they're not efficient anymore (usually in 3-4 years). I rarely get any drives that fail on me after their first year for some reason (except those deathstars).

xShadow:
I always look at value. I live my life by the Bayesian probability trees.

Well perhaps that's a bit of a stretch. But I do use it extensively for purchases. The values are a bit subjective, though, since you rarely have an exactly X probability for Y event supplied.


--- Quote ---Btw, can you link me to the reviews that show seagates perform significantly worse (or less reliable) than other drives.
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That's difficult to supply. Generally when I assess hard disks I sort the reviews list on newegg by ownership length and then look at how many people have them failing past one year. The only authoritative study on hard drive reliability (Google's) in recent history will pretty much tell you why. Just look at some of their graphs.

(click to show/hide)It's not like there's anything quantitative to be taken out of that, though. There are simply far too many random variables involved in reviews, and trying to classify them into some standard deviation is probably something that would give me a headache; I'm a computer engineer, not a statistician. At best, you can take some ballpark estimate of a hard disk's general performance. Then there's also "the word on the street"... ie shit that people have probably read in some random tech magazine or hardware site (or a set of them). I don't trust those much, unless they've actually done some statistical studies or they've brought in a person who is seriously an expert in the field (PHD is the minimum). I just look at reviews and then mix in a bit of what I've heard on the streets (of the internet lol) when I make an assessment.tl;dr:
Generally, it boils down 3 risk categories: high, medium, low. With at best mediocre reviews (which is for their 200 dollar line) and a one year warranty, Seagate naturally goes into the "high risk" pool. There isn't any way around this. I mean when When they have a 1 year warranty on their drives, that also says something about their expected quality. When I can get a WD Black for 145 bucks, which is guaranteed to at least give me some place to put my shit for 5 years (ie low risk category), why would I bother?

limefc:
A longer warranty is good to have. No arguments there. However, you can't use warranty to gauge the quality of parts. That's like saying "This item is cheaper than the other item, thus it is clearly of lesser quality."

As an example, Kingwin Lazer Platinum power supplies come with 3 year warranty while Corsair low wattage AX (eg not AX1200i which pretty much blows anything out of the water) come with 7 year warranty. Arguably, the LZP units are superiour in quality despite having lesser warranty.

As for risk assessment, if Seagate shit has 1 year warranty, you'd expect it to be cheap to match. If it is, then why you should bother (or not) is obvious.

Reviews on the egg? 99.9% of reviewers on Newegg do not know what they are doing. Case in point, since I like power supplies so much, the majority of power supplies below 25 dollars in price have 4 egg ratings and a few have 3 eggs. There is nothing below 3 eggs. Nothing. And practically all of these with a few noteable exceptions are harmful to your computer and unreliable. I mean come on, when items that are provably destructive to equipment connected to them are getting above 1 egg reviews with the only complaints being people who got the unit "dead on arrival" then you know something is fucked up. People claiming high tech level are rating these piece of shit 5/5 or complaining about irrelevant bullshit like fans being noisy.

You know what, I'm gonna rant about this some more. Here is a quote from a review: "To all those folks that knock this power supply unit, you are going to wish you had one laying around to get you onto the internet to use newegg to order a new one if YOUR power supply DIES unexpectedly! That reason alone is good enough to keep one of these guys around." 4 fucking stars.

That particular piece of shit couldn't even power on my system let alone get it far enough to let me order a new one on Newegg. God damn...
 and if I connected my equipment to it, I'd be replacing every other part as well, not just the power supply.
This fucker had the audacity to claim his "tech level" was exceptional.

Oh man, I am hating myself pretty hard for going over to newegg comments after a long time of ignoring their existance.
Here is another fun quote on topic of power supplies: "What is even worse is that it doesn't weigh more than a few ounces. What that means is that it is completely solid-state (no transformers.) That could be a good thing except that due to it's light weight there is no way that it can have adequate cooling fins for the rectifiers/transistors/CMOS chips."
I can barely contain my rage. I hope to god that's a troll, thinking he's all hilarious and shit.

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