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Western Digital or Seagate
limefc:
Buys
--- Quote ---SAMSUNG EcoGreen F4 ST2000DL004 2TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
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Gets
--- Quote ---SAMSUNG EcoGreen F4 ST2000DL004 2TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
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Credibility down the drain. It clearly says it's a ST2000DL004. And you were trying to prove to me that this person was not an idiot? He bought 3 drives without knowing what they really were and not only that, but he bought 3 2TB drives which are generally known for less than stellar reliability. Even Samsung ones.
--- Quote ---Apparently you have such a low opinion of common people that you think they don't know something's wrong when files on their hard drive are constantly getting corrupted or something.
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Yeah, something is wrong. What you fail to realize is that this something may not be to do with hard drives at all. For example, I had my RAM run massively out of spec during a few tests and it caused significant enough data corruption on my HDD necessitating a reformat.
Also that's unimportant. Returns are a large set of data involving thousands, tens of thousands of drives while a pleb is only going to have ~10 drives at his disposal all within a static environment. If an outside factor is killing his drives, he will get skewed statistics while the ones tested by a technician will come from multiple sources and in large numbers.
xShadow:
--- Quote from: limefc on August 28, 2012, 07:24:56 PM ---Buys
--- Quote ---SAMSUNG EcoGreen F4 ST2000DL004 2TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
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Gets
--- Quote ---SAMSUNG EcoGreen F4 ST2000DL004 2TB 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
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Credibility down the drain. It clearly says it's a ST2000DL004. And you were trying to prove to me that this person was not an idiot? He bought 3 drives without knowing what they really were and not only that, but he bought 3 2TB drives which are generally known for less than stellar reliability. Even Samsung ones.
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Can I facepalm much harder right now? You decide based on your follow-up.
That's not what that Samsung model was originally called on newegg. =_=;
This is:
--- Quote ---1 x ($79.99) HD 2T|SAMSUNG HD204UI % - OEM $79.99
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(straight from my invoice a few years back).
I'm glad they at least finally changed it to reflect what you're actually fucking getting. IIRC it used to just be listed as the same drive while in actuality being something different.
--- Quote ---Yeah, something is wrong. What you fail to realize is that this something may not be to do with hard drives at all. For example, I had my RAM run massively out of spec during a few tests and it caused significant enough data corruption on my HDD necessitating a reformat.
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I was just using that as a random example of something that could indicate hard disk failure. Good god you're so linear. I respond with X as an example of something going wrong, you ONLY respond to X as if that's all I'm talking about.
I know you're talking about little outlying random factors that could also lead to symptoms similar to hard drive failure. They exist. But they're not nearly as likely as actual hard drive failure.
Hard drives are the least reliable part in any computer system. I have a teacher here with a PHD (I'm a computer engineering student in my senior year) who just said that right in front of me.
If there's something like hard drive failure going on in your system... it's probably hard drive failure. Period.
--- Quote ---Also that's unimportant. Returns are a large set of data involving thousands, tens of thousands of drives while a pleb is only going to have ~10 drives at his disposal all within a static environment. If an outside factor is killing his drives, he will get skewed statistics while the ones tested by a technician will come from multiple sources and in large numbers.
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You use multiple "plebs", not one. Law of large numbers states that lots of plebs will generally head towards the actual mean. The things that you stated that may skew data is something will largely be taken care of by using a lot of reviews.
limefc:
--- Quote ---(straight from my invoice a few years back).
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You aren't very good with dates, are you? I am 100% sure that his review was posted in 2012年5月. Had you "forgot" to mention that your invoice was a few years old or instead claimed it was from 5 months back, I might have been forced to question or yield to you instead of laughing but alas.
--- Quote ---Hard drives are the least reliable part in any computer system. I have a teacher here with a PHD (I'm a computer engineering student in my senior year) who just said that right in front of me.
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Sure. Now can you explain how that is not a red herring?
From a personal curiosity standpoint, can you also explain why, as a senior engineering student, are you arguing with someone that has an ego the size of a small nation and disposition of a brick wall about credibility of Newegg plebs en masse, cherry picked or otherwise and quality vs warranty when you know that there is no correlation between warranty and quality and arguing about newegg comments or using them for anything more than problems & solutions is about as productive as submitting childrens colouring books as your source material for an essay on nuclear physics?
This is not a "winnable" argument.
You were smart in asking "what did I get myself into", but curiously not smart enough to react to that thought.
--- Quote ---You use multiple "plebs", not one. Law of large numbers states that lots of plebs will generally head towards the actual mean. The things that you stated that may skew data is something will largely be taken care of by using a lot of reviews.
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How about I just rely on reputable sites reporting the large failers instead? It's not like Seagate 7200.11 firmware problem was widely unknown, or the general 2TB reliability issues rarely talked about.
Incidentally. The Seagate drive that replaces the EcoGreen F4 (which was also known as a failer although not as massive as Barracuda XT 2TB) was a LP not an XT I believe, so the avg failure rate only barely increased. Heh.
Seriously, the EcoGreen F4 sucked. These days people are just mad that they are getting a "Seagate piece of shit" instead of a Samsung piece of shit. Being the best 2TB drive is like being the best piece of shit, a somewhat useless title.
People in the know only cared about the F3s.
xShadow:
--- Quote from: limefc on August 28, 2012, 09:24:39 PM ---
--- Quote ---(straight from my invoice a few years back).
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You aren't very good with dates, are you? I am 100% sure that his review was posted in 2012年5月. Had you "forgot" to mention that your invoice was a few years old or instead claimed it was from 5 months back, I might have been forced to question or yield to you instead of laughing but alas.
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*Facepalm*
What I'm saying is that the model number probably was not changed UNTIL RECENTLY. I was checking back on that model occasionally since I bought it and I don't remember them relabeling it until recently.
--- Quote ---Sure. Now can you explain how that is not a red herring?
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What, like the fact that you even started picking out that aspect of what I was talking about rather than acknowledging the fact that the HARD DRIVE HAD A DIFFERENT FUCKING MODEL SO YOUR ASSERTION THAT SEAGATE =/= SAMSUNG WAS QUESTIONABLE ANYWAY?
Nice diversion on your part, too. I still went along with it, but you're pointing out mine?
As for how it's not a "red herring". A part of the basis of your entire argument was how hard drive failure could be attributed to many things, and I just pointed out that it's extremely unlikely.
--- Quote ---From a personal curiosity standpoint, can you also explain why, as a senior engineering student, are you arguing with someone that has an ego the size of a small nation and disposition of a brick wall about credibility of Newegg plebs en masse, cherry picked or otherwise and quality vs warranty when you know that there is no correlation between warranty and quality and arguing about newegg comments or using them for anything more than problems & solutions is about as productive as submitting childrens colouring books as your source material for an essay on nuclear physics?
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The better question is why I'm arguing with someone like you, who obviously has the ego of a large nation and a brick wall in his head to match China's.
--- Quote ---You were smart in asking "what did I get myself into", but curiously not smart enough to react to that thought.
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I asked myself that as a rhetorical question. I knew this was gonna be annoying.
--- Quote ---How about I just rely on reputable sites reporting the large failers instead? It's not like Seagate 7200.11 firmware problem was widely unknown, or the general 2TB reliability issues rarely talked about.
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Reputable sites? Okay. Go for it.
--- Quote ---Incidentally. The Seagate drive that replaces the EcoGreen F4 (which was also known as a failer although not as massive as Barracuda XT 2TB) was a LP not an XT I believe, so the avg failure rate only barely increased. Heh.
Seriously, the EcoGreen F4 sucked. These days people are just mad that they are getting a "Seagate piece of shit" instead of a Samsung piece of shit. Being the best 2TB drive is like being the best piece of shit, a somewhat useless title.
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Whatever you say. Incidentally, that's also beside the point because the main point of this was that Samsung is different in reliability than they used to be and your study was outdated. Which it is. Case proven. Case closed.
--- Quote ---People in the know only cared about the F3s.
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I'll stay away from people in the know then, because I've never had a hard drive fail on me and I'm happy with how it's been going.
Edit: I removed profanity, which is being a little too nice for your case.
Tatsujin:
--- Quote from: Dhruv on August 28, 2012, 03:42:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: Tatsujin on August 28, 2012, 03:36:59 AM ---
--- Quote from: Dhruv on August 28, 2012, 02:18:44 AM ---Eh.... Didn't you tell me to get WD Elements?
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Oh that's stupid of me. Yes, the WD Elements is for external. As for the WD black edition, that's for internal usage.
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Whew.... relieved... i almost started doing the calculations and stuff to buy that Disk....
What are these Guys saying about WD Black Having a high return rate? I Thought Black Along with Velociraptor were the best Western Digital internal HDD.
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WD black editions are fine. I also only have 4 of the Elements. One of them is 1.5TB the other 3 are 2TB. I have 4 WD notebooks, 2 failed and the other 2 are still running. Those were great back then but now we're seeing (as consumers) flaws in the notebooks ... don't bother with any notebook series. Elements is the way to go.
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