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Western Digital or Seagate
limefc:
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What I'm saying is that the model number probably was not changed UNTIL RECENTLY. I was checking back on that model occasionally since I bought it and I don't remember them relabeling it until recently.
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You have nothing to suggest this to be the case. Do you have a dated record of what the number was 3 months ago? Because to me it looks like it was properly changed and the dude just fucked up on his buying.
--- Quote ---What, like the fact that you even started picking out that aspect of what I was talking about rather than acknowledging the fact that the HARD DRIVE HAD A DIFFERENT FUCKING MODEL SO YOUR ASSERTION THAT SEAGATE =/= SAMSUNG WAS QUESTIONABLE ANYWAY?
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I think you have no idea what you're saying at this point, because I believe blatantly pointing out a model number is just short of outright acknowledging that fact.
--- Quote ---Nice diversion on your part, too. I still went along with it, but you're pointing out mine?
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Your incapability to notice diversions and acting based on them before I start pointing them out is frankly not a concern of mine.
--- Quote ---The better question is why I'm arguing with someone like you, who obviously has the ego of a large nation and a brick wall in his head to match China's.
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Why are you regurgitating what I said?
--- Quote ---Reputable sites? Okay. Go for it.
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Done. Page 12.
--- Quote --- Whatever you say. Incidentally, that's also beside the point because the main point of this was that Samsung is different in reliability than they used to be and your study was outdated. Which it is. Case proven. Case closed.
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What you should be proving here is what you set out to prove initially instead of "case closing" arguments while half-proving a diversion (don't forget, this one had two halves only one of which you've adequately proven) which is fine and all since I was the one who went along with it... but I am still waiting.
--- Quote ---Edit: I removed profanity, which is being a little too nice for your case.
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Smart move. Acting like a child isn't going to get you anywhere, although you probably shouldn't have told me that you removed it because that defeats the purpose of removing it. The fact that you used profanity in your unedited post is just going to rub me the right way.
xShadow:
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You have nothing to suggest this to be the case. Do you have a dated record of what the number was 3 months ago? Because to me it looks like it was properly changed and the dude just fucked up on his buying.
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You have nothing to suggest against it. Honestly this is just arguing about some random guy at this point, which is really fucking stupid. I just know that right when Samsung got bought out by Seagate, and for a good time thereafter, I'm pretty sure their labels on Newegg weren't updated. At this point, neither of us know the truth.
--- Quote ---I think you have no idea what you're saying at this point, because I believe blatantly pointing out a model number is just short of outright acknowledging that fact.
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I think you have no idea what I'm saying. Hehehe.
--- Quote ---Your incapability to notice diversions and acting based on them before I start pointing them out is frankly not a concern of mine.
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... You never pointed that one out. I did. Not that I care at this point.
--- Quote ---Why are you regurgitating what I said?
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Why not?
--- Quote ---Done. Page 12.
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I don't see anything reputable on page 12. I believe that's what this entire diversionary argument was about. It's out of date.
--- Quote ---What you should be proving here is what you set out to prove initially instead of "case closing" arguments while half-proving a diversion (don't forget, this one had two halves only one of which you've adequately proven) which is fine and all since I was the one who went along with it... but I am still waiting.
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I don't even know what I'm trying to prove against you anymore, honestly, or what you think my main point actually is. I'm starting to not give a shit because this just keeps going in circles.
Here's the basic status:
Are consumer reviews valid?
Me: Yes, I believe humans are at least that smart.
You: No, everyone but me is a fucking idiot.
Definitive answer: Not possible without data we don't have. As in, no one did a study on how many drives were returned that actually weren't dead, to test how valid consumer reports truly are.
Is there a better source for this type of data?
Me: IDK but it's not a study that's outdated.
You: Yes, THIS ONE SITE MADE FROM DATA FROM JUST ONE PARTICULAR DEALER IN FRANCE IS SO FUCKING AWESOME EVEN THOUGH THE HARD DRIVE MARKET HAS CHANGED SINCE THEN.
Definitive answer: There's no follow up study to see if that study is still valid. So no one knows. However at the very least Samsung's drives have been changed in terms of model number to Seagate's scheme. So something about the study is outdated. However, no one's done testing on the new Samsung drives compared to old. So again no one knows.
Warranty=Quality?
Me + Kira: There is correlation between long warranty and quality on something like a hard disk. If a company put out a shitty drive with a 5 year warranty, it would go bankrupt quickly.
You: No.
Definitive answer: There is none.
We're arguing about things that have no definitive answer, so naturally both of these points come down to one of us going yes and the other going no every single post because we've both stated all the points we have, and then we're going to keep restating them in different ways. I've seen that happen a lot before. I usually end up dropping out at that point and looking like the "loser" (because we all know the guy that stops arguing on the internet is the one that lost the debate).
Should I just start responding to all of your points with "yes" or "no" and seeing how many pages we get this to before the topic gets closed by a mod?
--- Quote ---Smart move. Acting like a child isn't going to get you anywhere, although you probably shouldn't have told me that you removed it because that defeats the purpose of removing it. The fact that you used profanity in your unedited post is just going to rub me the right way.
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Yes, and you using copious amounts of personal attacks on me in your last post was extremely mature. I'll be sure to follow your example when I want to not act "like a child" in the future.
limefc:
--- Quote ---Should I just start responding to all of your points with "yes" or "no" and seeing how many pages we get this to before the topic gets closed by a mod?
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I'm game.
--- Quote ---I think you have no idea what I'm saying. Hehehe.
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Then perhaps you should correct yourself to be clear. Although on second thought, it won't be necessary as you will promptly find out.
--- Quote ---Yes, and you using copious amounts of personal attacks on me in your last post was extremely mature. I'll be sure to follow your example when I want to not act "like a child" in the future.
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Pffff hahahahaha. Funny. The only one time I don't hide ad-hominem fallacies into my arguments and I get falsely called out on it. Ironic. Nobody ever calls me out when I actually weave in blatantly obvious ad-hominems.
Anyway, there are no personal attacks in that post. I didn't address the argument, just made a remark and a compliment on your self-alleged behaviour and change which did not affect my argumentation (or lack thereof).
--- Quote ---Why not?
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Because of what you just pointed out, actually. When you do it, it becomes an abusive ad-hominem also known as a personal attack. Funny, isn't it?
--- Quote ---We're arguing about things that have no definitive answer, so naturally both of these points come down to one of us going yes and the other going no every single post because we've both stated all the points we have, and then we're going to keep restating them in different ways. I've seen that happen a lot before. I usually end up dropping out at that point and looking like the "loser" (because we all know the guy that stops arguing on the internet is the one that lost the debate).
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Technically, the one who stops arguing in a unresolvable argument is the mature one, although that's not exactly what I am aiming for.
But, you know what, why not. I am not getting much out of this anymore so I concede. We clearly cannot reach an agreement so I agree to disagree. You made your point, I'm sorry I can't see it your way.
I would have a considerably higher opinion of you if you didn't subscribe to the mantra that the one who drops a stupid argument is a "loser" and dropped it before it ever went so far as to force you to conclude that it's an argument not worth having. That is the truth, I have limitless time, no real point and no reason to yield. Comparing myself to a brick wall was an apt comparison.
Not to imply you should care about what I think by the by.
(click to show/hide)Incidentally, yes, I do draw the same conclusions as you from the newegg comments and warranty length in terms of hard drives.
Although considering my luck to make hard drives last, I am not worried about any brands. Not even Hitachi.
xShadow:
--- Quote ---... you didn't subscribe to the mantra that the one who drops a stupid argument is a "loser" and dropped it before it ever went so far as to force you to conclude that it's an argument not worth having.
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I wasn't pointing out what I thought. I was pointing out what I think (and not without reason) a lot of the online community believes.
And I knew it was going to end up this way a bit before I said "God dammit what did I get myself caught up in this time..." Some fair portion of this was me trying to half-ass it enough to just make you annoyed enough to call me an idiot and stop arguing. That didn't quite work, but I think if I kept at it and tried to deflect everything you said as much as possible (with some brilliant strategy such as saying "NOWAILOLOLO" every time), it might have... but if I went too far it seriously would have made me look like a retard.
From there on, it's pretty much a war of attrition. Which is annoying, because I have embedded systems to fuck with. As in, the first lab's out, and I need to do it. So I decided to blatantly try to wrap this up. And it worked. Yay!
Tatsujin:
--- Quote from: Dhruv on August 29, 2012, 05:00:55 AM ---
--- Quote from: Tatsujin on August 29, 2012, 04:45:39 AM ---Yes.
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Then there is no difference between this and a regular Green drive.... then why do people say Green drives are shit?
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I don't know. But Elements have high ratings for an external. The Internal probably works different than external HDDs (not the HDD themselves, but how the computer operates on internal vs. external).
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