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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2012, 01:07:25 AM »
I'm with Pentium.
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2012, 01:40:52 AM »
I must have amazing luck with Seagate. Bought a 1TB external 2 and a half years ago and it's still working perfectly.
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2012, 02:16:49 AM »
Just keep taking care of the device and it should be fine for long enough.
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2012, 02:27:02 AM »
Quote from: megido-rev.M on July 18, 2012, 02:16:49 AM
Just keep taking care of the device and it should be fine for long enough.
That i do :)
Never dropped it... AC or fan is always on to keep it relatively cool
And i have stopped using it for more than 8 hrs a day
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2012, 04:23:24 AM »
Quote from: Dhruv on July 17, 2012, 06:25:34 PM
It comes in max 1 TB.. not enough for me... i archive anime.. all of them

You should build a NAS unit. If a 1TB disk is not enough for you, a 2TB disk will fill up soon enough.

I'm the same as you - I keep everything I download (unless I replace them with better versions). I build myself a NAS unit with 4 1.5TB disks in RAID 5 a few years ago - it would be just enough space to store my entire collection of anime and anime movies today. I've built a new NAS/server since, with 6 3TB disks in RAID 5.

The idea is, start off big and you don't have to think about it until much later. Managing a single unit is much easier than managing and organizing several.
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2012, 03:18:59 PM »
Quote from: Freedom Kira on July 18, 2012, 04:23:24 AM
Quote from: Dhruv on July 17, 2012, 06:25:34 PM
It comes in max 1 TB.. not enough for me... i archive anime.. all of them

You should build a NAS unit. If a 1TB disk is not enough for you, a 2TB disk will fill up soon enough.

I'm the same as you - I keep everything I download (unless I replace them with better versions). I build myself a NAS unit with 4 1.5TB disks in RAID 5 a few years ago - it would be just enough space to store my entire collection of anime and anime movies today. I've built a new NAS/server since, with 6 3TB disks in RAID 5.

The idea is, start off big and you don't have to think about it until much later. Managing a single unit is much easier than managing and organizing several.
Yes i archive everything... each and every anime i download
i may be a bit slow on downloading but i download big files... like i am current;y downloading almost 140 GB
i am on my first HDD atm but it will fill up soon
a 1TB may fill up in 4-5 months and a 2TB in 10-11 months
and it is a pain to buy to buy them again and again as the place is far(20 kms) from where i live and it takes almost the entire week to arrange and plan to go there... so yeah NAS might be helpful
Can you tell me the cost of NAS unit(preferably in USD) to make conversions easier...
If it is less than the cost of purchasing independent hard disks of same storage i'll definitely consider it.

Edit: Also send me a link of the NAS details
« Last Edit: July 18, 2012, 04:15:03 PM by Dhruv »
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2012, 04:32:54 PM »
^HDDs are the best and worst thing to invest, simply put you'd get more storage for your files but in exchange you're gimping budget on other parts when you could just recycle hdd space through deleting unwanted files.

tho i vote for a NAS as well, it seems to be the most logical thing to save you the trouble file clusters going around different PCs. also a low power NAS could serve you a seedbox as well, that could essentially mean leaving it on wouldnt cost you much, plus it could be used as a jukebox as well, HTPC ton top of it isn't such a bad idea either.
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2012, 04:50:44 PM »
Quote from: kitamesume on July 18, 2012, 04:32:54 PM
^HDDs are the best and worst thing to invest, simply put you'd get more storage for your files but in exchange you're gimping budget on other parts when you could just recycle hdd space through deleting unwanted files.

tho i vote for a NAS as well, it seems to be the most logical thing to save you the trouble file clusters going around different PCs. also a low power NAS could serve you a seedbox as well, that could essentially mean leaving it on wouldnt cost you much, plus it could be used as a jukebox as well, HTPC ton top of it isn't such a bad idea either.
I don't think i get the meaning of NAS... Googled it up
so basically it is used for file storage for many computers in a network... and can be used by single person too(my case)
and do things like you mentioned... anything else?
What is the cost though? is it cheaper than the same capacity HDD(in combination that is i.e. 6 hard disks of 2TB each or 4 Hard disks of 3TB each)?
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2012, 04:59:15 PM »
theres already full NAS units in a few shops like this - Seagate or Western Digital
obviously the NAS units will cost slightly more than buying the HDDs alone, they have their own running computers in them so that the HDDs can be accessed by a network.

also, depending on the usage, mostly if you'll end up using it as a simple seedbox then an atom or zacate single core would suffice and it'll cost you around 150$ for the case+psu/cpu-kit/2gb ram. for a HTPC tho... investing on something that can decode and a micro-atx motherboard would cost you around 250$. do note this doesnt include the HDDs.

PS: building your own NAS would be more beneficial in terms of upgradability, what that means is that you can add more HDD or change some parts for more efficient ones and so on.

something like these:
(click to show/hide)
notes: use the ODD as an HDD space, total of up to 3drives can fit.

(click to show/hide)
notes: use the ODD and foppy as an HDD space, total of up to 4drives can fit.

edit: a bigger case would be better for more HDD space, but that compromises it's compactness, meaning it'll be hard to hide it.

edit2: i wonder which linux would best serve as a seedbox/NAS OS =P
« Last Edit: July 18, 2012, 05:43:44 PM by kitamesume »
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2012, 05:42:56 PM »
^I don't think i am skilled enough to build a NAS on my own...
Buying it would be a better option depending upon the price... what kind of a NAS i can get for $500?
That's from my own side... i'll get dad to give me $400-500 more depending upon my luck as my birthday present :P
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2012, 05:48:09 PM »
building one is as easy as building a regular PC, setting it up is whats problematic unless you're experienced with it.
things that'll be problematic would be which OS to use, anti-virus(if needed), and tweaks like removing unwanted features and adding a Web based access, if not maybe teamviewer would do great.

most NAS units with good features doesn't come with their own HDDs, depending on which unit you'd want then a 4slot supporting 3TB each would make a good bet.

i wonder if this could suit you [$479.99]BUFFALO LS-WV6.0TL/R1 6TB LinkStation Pro Duo RAID 0/1 Network Storage
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2012, 06:30:41 PM »
Quote from: kitamesume on July 18, 2012, 05:48:09 PM
building one is as easy as building a regular PC, setting it up is whats problematic unless you're experienced with it.
things that'll be problematic would be which OS to use, anti-virus(if needed), and tweaks like removing unwanted features and adding a Web based access, if not maybe teamviewer would do great.

most NAS units with good features doesn't come with their own HDDs, depending on which unit you'd want then a 4slot supporting 3TB each would make a good bet.

i wonder if this could suit you [$479.99]BUFFALO LS-WV6.0TL/R1 6TB LinkStation Pro Duo RAID 0/1 Network Storage

Yeah not bad... a 3TB one would cost me $210 atm... so 6TB ummm something like $420...
What exactly are the Advantages of NAS over conventional HDD?

Edit: Look what i found...Western Digital
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236122
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2012, 06:42:20 PM »
hmmm, you get a free computer unit for stuff like torrent and stuff, NAS units tho are exceptions as they're basically racks with HDDs and extra features plugged into your network.

self built NAS tho are slightly different, depending on how you configured it, it might work just like a regular computer with it's primary usage is being a central HDD space where any PC connected to the network will be able to access it, upping the feature to a degree like making it an HTPC to make it more usable would be what you'd call a bonus.

edit: lol WD... anyway i calculated abit of these things, it actually comes with a ratio of 80$/1TB, which make it slightly more cheaper o.o
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2012, 07:02:00 PM »
Quote from: kitamesume on July 18, 2012, 06:42:20 PM
hmmm, you get a free computer unit for stuff like torrent and stuff, NAS units tho are exceptions as they're basically racks with HDDs and extra features plugged into your network.

self built NAS tho are slightly different, depending on how you configured it, it might work just like a regular computer with it's primary usage is being a central HDD space where any PC connected to the network will be able to access it, upping the feature to a degree like making it an HTPC to make it more usable would be what you'd call a bonus.

edit: lol WD... anyway i calculated abit of these things, it actually comes with a ratio of 80$/1TB, which make it slightly more cheaper o.o

Yeah... noticed it when you said.... so it's advisable right?! :D
buffalo or WD...never heard about Buffalo though...can i use it on only 1 computer just for storage... not networking in many computers
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2012, 07:08:55 PM »
either WD or buffalo should work, but whichever is more reliable i have no idea, usually i just slap those HDDs on my torrent box and voala, heh.

NAS works as an independent unit outside of any PC, meaning they'll work even if you don't have a PC to use it with. their main use is sort of like an online storage but in this case you're making it run directly onto your network.
think of it as your PC's HDD being shared openly on your network, thats whats a NAS is.

edit: i vote for custom self-built NAS tho, you'd be able to manage the parts being used, and should be much more reliable to boot. which OS tho i don't know, but teamviewer should serve well as a remote control.
edit2: btw, if you're using windows7 you can hotlink your NAS like its a native HDD via network location, simply right click my computer and click "add network location" and follow the wizard.
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2012, 07:25:34 PM »
Quote from: kitamesume on July 18, 2012, 07:08:55 PM
either WD or buffalo should work, but whichever is more reliable i have no idea, usually i just slap those HDDs on my torrent box and voala, heh.

NAS works as an independent unit outside of any PC, meaning they'll work even if you don't have a PC to use it with. their main use is sort of like an online storage but in this case you're making it run directly onto your network.
think of it as your PC's HDD being shared openly on your network, thats whats a NAS is.

edit: i vote for custom self-built NAS tho, you'd be able to manage the parts being used, and should be much more reliable to boot. which OS tho i don't know, but teamviewer should serve well as a remote control.
edit2: btw, if you're using windows7 you can hotlink your NAS like its a native HDD via network location, simply right click my computer and click "add network location" and follow the wizard.
I'll try when i buy it :)
i am in no hurry to buy in the next 2 months atleast...and birthday is in November so yeah
so i can directly download all my torrents in this NAS?
And this isn't cheaper like you said
$210 for 3TB makes it $70/TB
$70<$80...
Do they have a longer life than conventional HDD's?
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2012, 07:36:52 PM »
nah, they have the same lifespan or so, that is unless they used some refurbished drives or something.

like i said, they're essentially racks with HDDs and extra features thats gonna be directly plugged onto your network.
hence buying the parts yourself would at least guarantee the parts itself =P its like pre-built vs diy-build PCs.
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2012, 07:42:00 PM »
Quote from: kitamesume on July 18, 2012, 07:36:52 PM
nah, they have the same lifespan or so, that is unless they used some refurbished drives or something.

like i said, they're essentially racks with HDDs and extra features thats gonna be directly plugged onto your network.
hence buying the parts yourself would at least guarantee the parts itself =P its like pre-built vs diy-build PCs.
Alright i'll put NAS under consideration too... like i said i have months to buy it....
Atleast i was able to kick out seagate ;)
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2012, 10:04:20 PM »
Quote from: kitamesume on July 18, 2012, 04:59:15 PM
theres already full NAS units in a few shops like this - Seagate or Western Digital
obviously the NAS units will cost slightly more than buying the HDDs alone, they have their own running computers in them so that the HDDs can be accessed by a network.

also, depending on the usage, mostly if you'll end up using it as a simple seedbox then an atom or zacate single core would suffice and it'll cost you around 150$ for the case+psu/cpu-kit/2gb ram. for a HTPC tho... investing on something that can decode and a micro-atx motherboard would cost you around 250$. do note this doesnt include the HDDs.

PS: building your own NAS would be more beneficial in terms of upgradability, what that means is that you can add more HDD or change some parts for more efficient ones and so on.

something like these:
(click to show/hide)
notes: use the ODD as an HDD space, total of up to 3drives can fit.

(click to show/hide)
notes: use the ODD and foppy as an HDD space, total of up to 4drives can fit.

edit: a bigger case would be better for more HDD space, but that compromises it's compactness, meaning it'll be hard to hide it.

edit2: i wonder which linux would best serve as a seedbox/NAS OS =P

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128517
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103951

Mobo/Processor comes to $160, eliminates the need for a graphics card (the integrated graphics run similar to a 5xxx Radeon, more than enough for HD video), adds a 3rd core, just if you need it for some reason, permits a smaller case and allows for 6 HDDs (not 4!).

I've been slowly scheming building something similar myself of late; some sort of HTPC/Server/Seedbox that's silent and low power. Still needs work mind (it's currently pushing the £1000 mark :()
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2012, 10:43:25 PM »
A NAS unit is essentially a computer that sits connected to your network and only ever provides storage for files over the network. You could think of it as a localized cloud service that you manage yourself.

A NAS unit can be as simple as an external (containing any number of disks, though most people assume that when someone says "NAS" they mean a unit with 4+ disks) connected by Ethernet, or you can set up a low-power computer to act as a NAS and perform other duties as well (small web server, torrent, etc.). Pretty much any computer can act like a NAS if you set it up to do so.

If you really don't want to go through the hassle of building your own mini machine (it's actually very easy but I won't pressure you), you should definitely take a look at Drobo. That's some pretty cool stuff there. It's a tad expensive but it's very impressive how it works.

By the way, if you RAID 5 or 6 your disks, 6x2TB will give you more space than 4x3TB, though the 6x2TB array will be a bit more prone to failure as well if 2TB and 3TB disks have the same failure rates. It's generally not recommended that you create a giant disk by just combining all the disk space together (either "RAID" 0 or JBOD) because you can lose all your data if you lose just one disk out of the set.
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