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Western Digital or Seagate
Dhruv:
--- Quote from: Freedom Kira on July 19, 2012, 05:06:59 AM ---The number of computers you use is not really relevant to which one is more useful. Sure, a NAS unit serving multiple computers would be far better than an external disk, due simply to the fact that the files are made available to everyone at the same time, but that should not be the defining factor.
The NAS will be more expensive than an external, period. When you build a NAS, you are buying HDDs to put into an empty system, and you are buying the empty system, which consists either of computer parts or a prebuilt NAS unit. Most prebuilt NAS units are not worth it for the price, so I don't even consider them. However, when you build a NAS, what you are paying for is more advanced handling of your data and more reliability. By setting up a NAS unit, you would typically also build a software layer that combines your disks together, so you see a single disk (my 6 disk array shows up as a single 13.7TB disk). You would also typically set up a RAID volume as this software layer, which allows your data to survive if one or more disks fail in your collection of disks (depends on which RAID level you pick). When you have a bunch of externals, if you lose a disk you will lose all the data on that disk. Note this does not have to be done in software - there exist hardware to do the same thing, and many Intel-based motherboards have built-in RAID capability. If you have a board without onboard RAID, a good RAID card costs hundreds, while a simple RAID card can cost under $50.
So, in the end, a NAS and an external HDD perform the same tasks but the extra benefits of the NAS kind of put it into a different category.
I mentioned Drobo in my last post but it doesn't look like you looked it up. You really should check it out.
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I think i am beginning to understand what you mean.... it's like if i have 2 external HDD so if one of them goes corrupt or something else then i stand a risk of losing all the data in that disk... but if i have a NAS unit ieven if the disk goes bad i just have to replace it and all my data will be still there... right?
If what i said is correct then i guess it is worth it... so what is costlier? building it on your own or buying one which is already made from the market?
And what is your NAS configuration?.... and how much did it cost you?.. if you could tell me how to assemble it i am more than willing to look into the prospect of buying an NAS unit myself. After all my data would be safe even if my disk goes bad. :D
And yeah looking up Drobo... but that is like $799 for the casing only.... i think i can afford till max $800
What can i hope to get for that... not even close to what you maybe having? :P
Edit: Called up the experts on this... they are saying that they can give me an 8TB system for approx. 60000 rs.(i.e. $1100)
That is for an assembled unit... aren't we going out of budget :P
--- Quote from: kitamesume on July 19, 2012, 05:52:54 AM ---
--- Quote from: rostheferret on July 18, 2012, 10:04:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: kitamesume on July 18, 2012, 04:59:15 PM --- (click to show/hide)[$49.99]Intel Celeron G530 Sandy Bridge 2.4GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor
[$49.99]MSI H61M-P20 (G3) LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX
[$59.99](optional)MSI R6570-MD1G/LP Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3
[$12.99]Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory
[$59.99]IN WIN BL641.300TBL Black Steel MicroATX Slim Case Computer Case 300W Power Supply
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total : $232.95
notes: use the ODD and foppy as an HDD space, total of up to 4drives can fit.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128517
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103951
Mobo/Processor comes to $160, eliminates the need for a graphics card (the integrated graphics run similar to a 5xxx Radeon, more than enough for HD video), adds a 3rd core, just if you need it for some reason, permits a smaller case and allows for 6 HDDs (not 4!).
I've been slowly scheming building something similar myself of late; some sort of HTPC/Server/Seedbox that's silent and low power. Still needs work mind (it's currently pushing the £1000 mark :()
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do note the GPU is optional, which means its possible to bring the price down, if intel IGP's issue is too unbearable even an HD6450 for $40 would suffice which obviously would result in a cheaper build.
which small case can hold 6drives :o at 60$ price to boot, with a PSU no less. if there is one tho i'd like to have one too.
so essentially its 10$ more expensive and these is what you get:
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note: i do doubt you wouldn't pass up less power consumption if you'll end up running the thing 24/7.
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hmm... i will use it 24/7 if i can so power consumption becomes a factor there.
rostheferret:
You can't compare benchmarks from two different tests with any real confidence, who knows what different hardware they were running when they were testing that. My point was that it's another option; for the same price you can have the same processing power, I thought better graphics capabilities but it looks like they're similar, and even across the comparisons, similar power outputs. Especially seeing as it's going to spend a lot of time closer to idle than under load. The only real difference between our suggestions is that mine can take two more HDDs. It all depends how much space you're gonna want from it.
As for the case, I'm sure one exists but if you want a small one, then it gets more costly. I like the look of the Lian Li but they don't come cheap :/
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112300
kitamesume:
thats why building one yourself saves you the money imho, you told me you could grab 1TB/70$ that would mean a (4x3TB)12TB array would cost about 840$ plus 240$ for the main PC that'll house the thing.
which would then sum up for a 1,080$ 12TB NAS box capable of being an HTPC, or roughly 965$ for a torrent-NAS rig using an zacate E240 motherboard kit.
@rostheferret
yes i can see your point but i must tell you that the GPU is an optional part of the unit since you can live without it which would mean its roughly 60$ cheaper. also i doubt A6-3500's IGP is better than the HD6570, specially if the ram is gimped to a 2GB DDR3 1333. in essence of what you're suggesting he'll need to invest more on the Llano to get it's max worth.
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(click to show/hide)A6-3500IGP/Radeon HD 6530D - core clock : 443 - core config : 320:16:8
Turks PRO/Radeon HD 6570 - core clock : 650 - core config : 480:24:8
TL : DR - HD6570 wins hands down.
PS: AMD's CPU worth isnt so good compared to intel now a days, Llanos are exceptions but certain intel+GPU combinations could top Llano offering in terms of performance/$ and performance/Watt. if you really want worth it AMD CPUs tho you might wanna wait for their next release, i think they were called Trinity.
(click to show/hide)[$49.99]Intel Celeron G530 Sandy Bridge 2.4GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor
[$49.99]MSI H61M-P20 (G3) LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX
[$59.99](optional)MSI R6570-MD1G/LP Radeon HD 6570 1GB 128-bit DDR3
[$12.99]Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory
[$59.99]IN WIN BL641.300TBL Black Steel MicroATX Slim Case Computer Case 300W Power Supply
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total : $232.95
notes:
yes G530 can decode Hi10P 1080p by software.
total without GPU : $172.96
total with HD6450 : $212.95 [$39.99]GIGABYTE GV-R645-1GI Radeon HD 6450 1GB 64-bit DDR3
(click to show/hide)[$79.99]AMD A6-3500 Llano 2.1GHz (2.4GHz Max Turbo) Socket FM1 65W Triple-Core Desktop APU (CPU + GPU)
[$79.99]GIGABYTE GA-A75M-D2H FM1 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
[$12.99]Kingston 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory
[$59.99]IN WIN BL641.300TBL Black Steel MicroATX Slim Case Computer Case 300W Power Supply
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total : $232.96
edit: also, i haven't seen a case with 6capacity @ around $60 with a PSU no less. do you know one? i'd like to see if i'd like it.
rostheferret:
Yes, you would have to invest a little more, but then you can expand that 12TB array into an 18TB one. The physical size of the Lian Li is only a little larger (to accommodate the extra HDDs) but the price would go up to about $300 (without a graphics card. As you said it isn't needed and I'm running on the basis that you shouldn't have one). That can be brought down if size isn't a limiting factor (get an Antec 300 or something).
I'm also ignoring the internal PSU, because I can't stand the cheap internal PSU's; it's arguably the most important part of a build (seeing as it actually powers everything) so I can't stand the thought of skimping out on something that could potentially demolish my entire system. It's just an alternative, depending on how much space you'll want from the build.
kitamesume:
^ PSUs are replacable anytime so you can just buy a PSU if you arent comfortable with the built-in, but do note that some cases has their own unique PSUs, or in this case FlexPSUs are uncommon in the market, specially good ones.
PS: i've been running built-in PSUs since i started building my own rigs and so far only two failed on me because of dust clogs making them overheat, the only times i bought good PSUs is when i'm after efficiencies. in my count i did it twice, one for my torrent rig and the other for my main rig.
generic PSUs arent as dangerous if you know their limits, in this case precautions of not going over 150watt usage at least and adding filter capacitors/zener regulators in parallel on the line could serve you well.
(click to show/hide)what these does is that filter capacitors compensates for sudden voltage drops and zener regulators would burn the voltage spikes through them, essentially regulating the fluctuating output which should stabilize it. tho it doesn't compensate for continuous voltage drops, but a boost converter in parallel should work in this case.
edit: i guess this could act as a replacement - [$39.99]SeaSonic SS-300TFX Bronze 300W TFX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply - OEM, just add 40$, lol.
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