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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #80 on: July 19, 2012, 05:11:29 PM »
360$ for a diskless station is kinda iffy :-\

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theres a maximum of 4 x 3.5" spaces for drive and one 5.25" that can be used for another drive, also if you use an M-ATX board you can occupy the 3 x expansion slots for drives as well. for a total of 8drives at least.

The 350$ is the lowest model synology sales made strictly for home use. If you want more features faster speeds the price goes up. But they are solid units.  I would say on the 350$ unit you are expecting speed of around 30MB/s where the DS1812+ which is 999$ will give you about 80MB/s  With a whole lot more included ports for expansion and software addons.

but once you are up into the 8+bay systems I suggest building your own as a 16port areca card cost $980 so just becomes money worth wise to build your own then. Anything under 5 bay and no so tech savvy should go pre built.
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #81 on: July 19, 2012, 05:19:58 PM »
^ if i were to pick one then i'd pick one that can saturate my 100mbps router, which is 12.5MB/s :-\ so yea the 30MB/s would be plenty, heck too much even.

btw, i don't see much reason getting over 3TB of drive space for anime storage, i've only used up 1.9TB so far and im running out of animes to download =/ still got 0.4TB of space to go before i start clearing up duplicates.

oh and what i got:
1x internal 1TB (less than a year old animes)
2x internal 500GB (os and game drives)
1x external 1TB (old animes)
1x external 500GB (game backup)

atm i'm planning on buying a sound card first, then maybe four 1TB drives for raid5 later, that is if i'll need to.
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #82 on: July 19, 2012, 05:29:29 PM »
^ if i were to pick one then i'd pick one that can saturate my 100mbps router, which is 12.5MB/s :-\ so yea the 30MB/s would be plenty, heck too much even.

btw, i don't see much reason getting over 3TB of drive space for anime storage, i've only used up 1.9TB so far and im running out of animes to download =/ still got 0.4TB of space to go before i start clearing up duplicates.

oh and what i got:
1x internal 1TB (less than a year old animes)
2x internal 500GB (os and game drives)
1x external 1TB (old animes)
1x external 500GB (game backup)

Most people that are going to run a NAS are going to store more then just anime. I have nettop as my desktop with 350gb drive, then I have a my main NAS unit running a ARC-1261ML running 16x2tb anime only takes up about 1.8TB, But every bluray movie we buy we store on the server to be accessed in any room with a tv. And each one of them is close to 20-45GB, Plus its also the whole house DVR so all tv shows are stored on it also. Plus music.

But i agree if he just want anime storage 3tb external would be cheapest and plenty of space. If he thinks he is going to need more space go NAS while you can.
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #83 on: July 19, 2012, 05:58:26 PM »
^ if i were to pick one then i'd pick one that can saturate my 100mbps router, which is 12.5MB/s :-\ so yea the 30MB/s would be plenty, heck too much even.

btw, i don't see much reason getting over 3TB of drive space for anime storage, i've only used up 1.9TB so far and im running out of animes to download =/ still got 0.4TB of space to go before i start clearing up duplicates.

oh and what i got:
1x internal 1TB (less than a year old animes)
2x internal 500GB (os and game drives)
1x external 1TB (old animes)
1x external 500GB (game backup)

Most people that are going to run a NAS are going to store more then just anime. I have nettop as my desktop with 350gb drive, then I have a my main NAS unit running a ARC-1261ML running 16x2tb anime only takes up about 1.8TB, But every bluray movie we buy we store on the server to be accessed in any room with a tv. And each one of them is close to 20-45GB, Plus its also the whole house DVR so all tv shows are stored on it also. Plus music.

But i agree if he just want anime storage 3tb external would be cheapest and plenty of space. If he thinks he is going to need more space go NAS while you can.
I guess you are wrong with that one :)
Anime does tend to take up a lot of space...
I bought a 2TB seagate and i have stored 50 series on it till now... over 1 TB of space is gone and i have like 300-400 series more to download... i usually download full HD with FLAC audio so you can pretty much imagine what kind of storage space i need.
i don't think even a 18TB NAS would hold that kind of a collection...
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #84 on: July 19, 2012, 06:29:48 PM »

I guess you are wrong with that one :)
Anime does tend to take up a lot of space...
I bought a 2TB seagate and i have stored 50 series on it till now... over 1 TB of space is gone and i have like 300-400 series more to download... i usually download full HD with FLAC audio so you can pretty much imagine what kind of storage space i need.
i don't think even a 18TB NAS would hold that kind of a collection...

Average series being 15-20gb at 6TB will allow you to store 307 series at 20GB a piece and i think that is generous as i think most are around 15gb

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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #85 on: July 19, 2012, 06:34:52 PM »
^series like dennou coil 1080p ranges around 45GB, ultra long series like naruto and bleach even at 720p goes around 40-70GB, at best lets split it to seasons to lessen the huge chunks =P

anyway 3TB is plenty for 1080p series averaging 40GB each, which is around 75series.
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #86 on: July 19, 2012, 06:53:25 PM »

I guess you are wrong with that one :)
Anime does tend to take up a lot of space...
I bought a 2TB seagate and i have stored 50 series on it till now... over 1 TB of space is gone and i have like 300-400 series more to download... i usually download full HD with FLAC audio so you can pretty much imagine what kind of storage space i need.
i don't think even a 18TB NAS would hold that kind of a collection...

Average series being 15-20gb at 6TB will allow you to store 307 series at 20GB a piece and i think that is generous as i think most are around 15gb

^series like dennou coil 1080p ranges around 45GB, ultra long series like naruto and bleach even at 720p goes around 40-70GB, at best lets split it to seasons to lessen the huge chunks =P

anyway 3TB is plenty for 1080p series averaging 40GB each, which is around 75series.
So you mean to say i should get a normal WD HDD?
And i never said i don't download other stuff which is not 1080p FLAC...
i download a lot of blacklisted stuff in 1080p if available or SD if not
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #87 on: July 19, 2012, 09:45:41 PM »
I think i am beginning to understand what you mean.... it's like if i have 2 external HDD so if one of them goes corrupt or something else then i stand a risk of losing all the data in that disk... but if i have a NAS unit ieven if the disk goes bad i just have to replace it and all my data will be still there... right?

If you configure things correctly, yes, that is right. Different RAID configurations can handle different levels of loss, while also improving the performance of your disks by using them all at the same time. For example, the most common RAID level is RAID 5, where you can lose a single disk and still keep all your data. In RAID 5, one disk is kept on stand-by as a spare. You write to every disk simultaneously (though you don't get any extra performance from the extra disk), but you don't read from the spare disk unless one of the disks dies. So, if you have four disks, your performance can reach up to three times the read/write speeds of a single disk.

Basically, RAID gives you the advantage of failure tolerance and performance enhancement for the tradeoff of losing a certain number of disks worth of disk space. You can read more about it on Wikipedia.

And what is your NAS configuration?.... and how much did it cost you?.. if you could tell me how to assemble it i am more than willing to look into the prospect of buying an NAS unit myself. After all my data would be safe even if my disk goes bad. :D

I built a small computer for my first NAS. It consisted of an Intel Atom board and CPU (about $90), 1GB RAM (about $30), one 500GB boot disk (about $50), four Samsung 1.5TB disks (about $180 each), a cheap 4-port RAID card (about $20), and a cheap case (about $50). Prices are what they were at the time (about two years ago) and in CAD; obviously they have dropped considerably since then. I used software RAID through Linux so I did not use any sort of hardware-based RAID. It acts essentially as an expansion for SATA ports, since the board only had two SATA ports. I went with RAID 5, which gave me 4.5TB (about 4.1TiB) of space.

These days you can get Atom-based mobos for roughly the same price but with considerably better performance, not to mention everything else is a lot cheaper. You can get 3TB disks for less than $180.

My current server cost considerably more, because I was looking to build a server that handles more than just NAS functionality. My NAS is actually still running, sitting on the network, seeding a small number of files to oblivion, but fileserver, web server, and general usage tasks have been taken over. When I first got it, I got an Intel i5 2400 ($200), Gigabyte mobo ($130), 8GB RAM ($75), 60GB SSD ($120), pedestal server case ($60), and 6 Hitachi 3TB disks ($120 each, minus $10 rebate). I got lucky with the disks and managed to buy them a couple months before the big Thailand flood that caused HDD prices to skyrocket.

(Note: All prices are approximate)

Since my initial purchase, I have replaced the SSD because it failed on me. The new one is 120GB and SATA III, much faster and more reliable than the old one; cost me around $200. I've upgraded the RAM to 32GB, which was also around $200.

Anyway, it definitely goes without saying that prebuilts are quite expensive and commissioning someone to build something for you is also expensive.

You buy say a 3tb drive pop it in and you have 3 tb of storage. when you start running low you drop in another 3tb drive you now have 6tb of storage. anytime you need space you just add a drive to it it will do all the work of expanding the file system and such, if you run there hybrid raid 5 then you need to start with at least 2 disks

That's pretty cool. It builds and rebuilds the array as you expand? Does it do something similar to Drobo?
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #88 on: July 20, 2012, 02:08:07 AM »
I built a small computer for my first NAS. It consisted of an Intel Atom board and CPU (about $90), 1GB RAM (about $30), one 500GB boot disk (about $50), four Samsung 1.5TB disks (about $180 each), a cheap 4-port RAID card (about $20), and a cheap case (about $50). Prices are what they were at the time (about two years ago) and in CAD; obviously they have dropped considerably since then. I used software RAID through Linux so I did not use any sort of hardware-based RAID. It acts essentially as an expansion for SATA ports, since the board only had two SATA ports. I went with RAID 5, which gave me 4.5TB (about 4.1TiB) of space.

These days you can get Atom-based mobos for roughly the same price but with considerably better performance, not to mention everything else is a lot cheaper. You can get 3TB disks for less than $180.

My current server cost considerably more, because I was looking to build a server that handles more than just NAS functionality. My NAS is actually still running, sitting on the network, seeding a small number of files to oblivion, but fileserver, web server, and general usage tasks have been taken over. When I first got it, I got an Intel i5 2400 ($200), Gigabyte mobo ($130), 8GB RAM ($75), 60GB SSD ($120), pedestal server case ($60), and 6 Hitachi 3TB disks ($120 each, minus $10 rebate). I got lucky with the disks and managed to buy them a couple months before the big Thailand flood that caused HDD prices to skyrocket.

(Note: All prices are approximate)

Since my initial purchase, I have replaced the SSD because it failed on me. The new one is 120GB and SATA III, much faster and more reliable than the old one; cost me around $200. I've upgraded the RAM to 32GB, which was also around $200.

Anyway, it definitely goes without saying that prebuilts are quite expensive and commissioning someone to build something for you is also expensive.

That's pretty cool. It builds and rebuilds the array as you expand? Does it do something similar to Drobo?
What you initially purchased can be done... i can buy almost the same thing for a lesser price and add 2 Hard Disks of 3TB each... rest everything being the same..
But if i buy i'll buy a better case which has a significantly more number of bays... so that i can keep using it after i upgrade my system
It would roughly cost me $800.
Not bad i'd say.
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #89 on: July 20, 2012, 02:15:01 AM »

You buy say a 3tb drive pop it in and you have 3 tb of storage. when you start running low you drop in another 3tb drive you now have 6tb of storage. anytime you need space you just add a drive to it it will do all the work of expanding the file system and such, if you run there hybrid raid 5 then you need to start with at least 2 disks

That's pretty cool. It builds and rebuilds the array as you expand? Does it do something similar to Drobo?

Yes, hybrid synology raid is pretty interesting its not like your standard raid5 where you lose a whole drive for redundancy if you use it you can read about it here. http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_Synology_Hybrid_RAID%3F You can run old school raid5 levels on the unit if you like but its back to one drive at least being used for redundancy

But yes it will rebuild and expand anytime you pop a drive out or insert a new one you dont have to flag it or anything. if you had 4 1tb drives in it. you could pop out anyone and replace it with a 3tb drive and it would expand and rebuild to use the full 3tb of the drive will still using the other 3 1tb drives if you ran the hybrid mode. For home use and small business I recommend them highly. If you are a DIY type of person there are cheaper solutions that are not so easily managed. Im sure you have tried to expand and ext3 FS its not easy and not the safest thing either. but ZFS is now nice enough to replace mode home setups unless using hardware raid controllers.


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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #90 on: July 20, 2012, 02:15:55 AM »

What you initially purchased can be done... i can buy almost the same thing for a lesser price and add 2 Hard Disks of 3TB each... rest everything being the same..
But if i buy i'll buy a better case which has a significantly more number of bays... so that i can keep using it after i upgrade my system
It would roughly cost me $800.
Not bad i'd say.

Get a cheap 4u case they are huge but hold a lot you can get a 12bay norco for about 80 bucks. if you move up to the 24bay they are a little more around 250$ that is if you want a 4u case

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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #91 on: July 20, 2012, 02:27:43 AM »

What you initially purchased can be done... i can buy almost the same thing for a lesser price and add 2 Hard Disks of 3TB each... rest everything being the same..
But if i buy i'll buy a better case which has a significantly more number of bays... so that i can keep using it after i upgrade my system
It would roughly cost me $800.
Not bad i'd say.

Get a cheap 4u case they are huge but hold a lot you can get a 12bay norco for about 80 bucks. if you move up to the 24bay they are a little more around 250$ that is if you want a 4u case
12x3=36TB
That would be enough... i suppose :P
i brings down my cost... and i don't think a case matters much in the configuration except for the number of bays.
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #92 on: July 20, 2012, 04:37:46 AM »
Yes, hybrid synology raid is pretty interesting its not like your standard raid5 where you lose a whole drive for redundancy if you use it you can read about it here. http://forum.synology.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_Synology_Hybrid_RAID%3F You can run old school raid5 levels on the unit if you like but its back to one drive at least being used for redundancy

But yes it will rebuild and expand anytime you pop a drive out or insert a new one you dont have to flag it or anything. if you had 4 1tb drives in it. you could pop out anyone and replace it with a 3tb drive and it would expand and rebuild to use the full 3tb of the drive will still using the other 3 1tb drives if you ran the hybrid mode. For home use and small business I recommend them highly. If you are a DIY type of person there are cheaper solutions that are not so easily managed. Im sure you have tried to expand and ext3 FS its not easy and not the safest thing either. but ZFS is now nice enough to replace mode home setups unless using hardware raid controllers.

Damn, that is cool. I'll definitely try this out sometime.

I've been using ext4 on my array. I haven't tried expanding, actually - haven't really had a need to. If I ever build another disk array, I'll probably try ZFS.

12x3=36TB
That would be enough... i suppose :P
i brings down my cost... and i don't think a case matters much in the configuration except for the number of bays.

Those are rackmount server cases... Probably not very reasonable for the average home user. >.>

And if you're going to have any amount of redundancy, which you really should for 12 disks, you won't have anywhere near 36TB. If you RAID 6 it, you'll have 30TB, which is effectively roughly 27.3 TiB.

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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #93 on: July 20, 2012, 04:48:52 AM »

Those are rackmount server cases... Probably not very reasonable for the average home user. >.>

And if you're going to have any amount of redundancy, which you really should for 12 disks, you won't have anywhere near 36TB. If you RAID 6 it, you'll have 30TB, which is effectively roughly 27.3 TiB.
Yeah that should be good enough... 6TB for redundancy is okay. I Guess
And it's not like i am going to buy this whole thing right away. The space in my current Disk will probably last 3-4 months more.
So i can save more till then and start off with something small and eventually make it bigger.
That aside... do you have a job?
I don't think you would have spent $1300 if you didn't have one. :P
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #94 on: July 20, 2012, 06:13:49 AM »
Yeah, I'm a software engineer working for one of the two big Canadian railway companies (the better one, of course). It's pretty sweet to be able to cover a $1300 purchase with a single two-week check and still have a couple hundred left over, especially when you're only 22 years old. =P

Anyway, this is really off-topic. Better steer back on course before we get locked.

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« Reply #95 on: July 20, 2012, 06:25:39 AM »
Yeah, I'm a software engineer working for one of the two big Canadian railway companies (the better one, of course). It's pretty sweet to be able to cover a $1300 purchase with a single two-week check and still have a couple hundred left over, especially when you're only 22 years old. =P

Anyway, this is really off-topic. Better steer back on course before we get locked.
Ohh that's nice.
I am still a student and i don't have a job so for me to have $500 dollars is a big thing here(we have a different currency from dollar)
Anyways Thanks for all the info... :)
Can you pm me or just write here all the components of the NAS unit?
I'll call the shop and ask the prices. :)
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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #96 on: July 20, 2012, 06:14:07 PM »

Those are rackmount server cases... Probably not very reasonable for the average home user. >.>

And if you're going to have any amount of redundancy, which you really should for 12 disks, you won't have anywhere near 36TB. If you RAID 6 it, you'll have 30TB, which is effectively roughly 27.3 TiB.

A 4u server cause is way better then have a full tower as your home pc. If he wants to run 12 disks its his best option. they fit in most closets perfectly also.

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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #97 on: July 20, 2012, 06:24:59 PM »

Those are rackmount server cases... Probably not very reasonable for the average home user. >.>

And if you're going to have any amount of redundancy, which you really should for 12 disks, you won't have anywhere near 36TB. If you RAID 6 it, you'll have 30TB, which is effectively roughly 27.3 TiB.

A 4u server cause is way better then have a full tower as your home pc. If he wants to run 12 disks its his best option. they fit in most closets perfectly also.
Wait what did you just say closet?
They are as big as a closet?
Are you referring to this?
http://www.mypccase.com/4urasech19de.html
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« Reply #98 on: July 20, 2012, 06:46:29 PM »

Those are rackmount server cases... Probably not very reasonable for the average home user. >.>

And if you're going to have any amount of redundancy, which you really should for 12 disks, you won't have anywhere near 36TB. If you RAID 6 it, you'll have 30TB, which is effectively roughly 27.3 TiB.

A 4u server cause is way better then have a full tower as your home pc. If he wants to run 12 disks its his best option. they fit in most closets perfectly also.
Wait what did you just say closet?
They are as big as a closet?
Are you referring to this?
http://www.mypccase.com/4urasech19de.html

I ment they are both wide/ in length big enough to fit in a standard clothes closet that is usually 2 feet deep. so its easily hideable. not that its as big as a closet lol.

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Re: Western Digital or Seagate
« Reply #99 on: July 20, 2012, 08:14:46 PM »

Those are rackmount server cases... Probably not very reasonable for the average home user. >.>

And if you're going to have any amount of redundancy, which you really should for 12 disks, you won't have anywhere near 36TB. If you RAID 6 it, you'll have 30TB, which is effectively roughly 27.3 TiB.

A 4u server cause is way better then have a full tower as your home pc. If he wants to run 12 disks its his best option. they fit in most closets perfectly also.
Wait what did you just say closet?
They are as big as a closet?
Are you referring to this?
http://www.mypccase.com/4urasech19de.html

I ment they are both wide/ in length big enough to fit in a standard clothes closet that is usually 2 feet deep. so its easily hideable. not that its as big as a closet lol.
Why should i hide it? :P
I am telling my parents and thinking of buying it
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