Author Topic: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions  (Read 3572 times)

Offline kitamesume

  • Member
  • Posts: 7221
  • Death is pleasure, Living is torment.
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2012, 11:47:11 PM »
newer = isnt always better

newer = changes = new issues = troublesome so i'll stick with the old one

Haruhi Dance | EMO | OLD SETs | ^ I know how u feel | Click sig to Enlarge

Offline zherok

  • Member
  • Posts: 2524
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2012, 12:07:17 AM »
That's pretty faulty logic imo.
It's essentially the same client with two years worth of fixes and whatnot applied to it. Every feature people are raging about takes about a second or so to disable, and you never have to see them again.

Offline limefc

  • Member
  • Posts: 51
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #42 on: August 16, 2012, 08:16:59 AM »
Quote
uTorrent has really gone downhill since BitTorrent took it over. It's high time they fixed that. And while I'm happy with the announcement that they may fork a leaner version, I really think there's no need to because they already have two clients.
It's a marketing decision based on "brand recognition" if anything. uTorrent has recognition while BitTorrent, despite the entire protocol named after it, does not.

uTorrent is the most widespread torrent client by miles after all. Making that the lightweight client which doesn't bring in all the fat cash is the dumbest thing I could imagine them doing. Aside releasing a bugfixed utorrent 2.something without all the stupid shit tacked on and closing shop entirely.

Offline Bob2004

  • Member
  • Posts: 2562
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2012, 09:59:27 AM »
newer = changes = new issues = troublesome so i'll stick with the old one

Newer = bugfixes = less issues = less troublesome. The new features are pretty small, and haven't actually changed much, so I'd say the newer versions are generally more stable than the older ones, based on my experience (though in all fairness, Utorrent's always been very stable).

Of course, I can definitely understand the argument for "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" - if you're not having any issues with the current version, then there's no real reason to upgrade. But going out of your way to avoid upgrading, even when you need to reinstall it for some reason anyway (eg. if you reinstall Windows) is just silly.

Offline BaronVonBull

  • Member
  • Posts: 58
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2012, 10:12:25 AM »
^

For some things I'd agree with that, but not all.

Take game consoles for example. I have an Atari 2600 made during the early run of vidja games...It still works like a champ as if it were out of the box, peoples xbox's die in a matter of months to a few years. 30 year old Atari > Modern day console. Tsk, damn.

Anime-Planet.com - anime | manga | [url=http://www.anime-planet

Offline Bob2004

  • Member
  • Posts: 2562
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2012, 10:16:47 AM »
^

For some things I'd agree with that, but not all.

Take game consoles for example. I have an Atari 2600 made during the early run of vidja games...It still works like a champ as if it were out of the box, peoples xbox's die in a matter of months to a few years. 30 year old Atari > Modern day console. Tsk, damn.

Firstly, Xbox != computer software. Secondly, they're two completely different products, made by completely different companies. You don't get an Xbox by applying patches to your Atari 2600, do you? You can't really use the fact that Microsoft make shoddy products as an example to show that software updates consisting largely of bugfixes don't make that software more stable.

Offline BaronVonBull

  • Member
  • Posts: 58
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2012, 10:29:45 AM »
 Most of the problems plaguing consoles, is really not software, it's hardware. RROD isn't a software problem, it's a hardware problem. In anycase, i wasn't comparing software problems or hardware, it was  toward the statement regarding new = better. which obviously isn't always the case. Whether it be software or hardware, technology or new methods of building things. new doesn't always equal better. Or did you forget about analogies? It still applies. There's appliance out there, that still work better and longer than their newer counter parts. May not be energy efficient but they preform better. Some software are still applicable now because they a more solid base in the code than the newer counter parts.

Also when people usually have a problem with consoles these days, it's a hardware problem. Fans don't work things over heat, disk drives break down, and so do optical drives. Some sooner than others, some factory defects right out of the line. However this goes back to "New" ways of assembly and cutting cost, which in turns creates shitty consumer products that are literary meant to break and throw away to increase sales and while cutting cost of production. This isnt always a good thing. Again, this goes to the point of new isn't always better. Analogies are so much fun.

Anime-Planet.com - anime | manga | [url=http://www.anime-planet

Offline limefc

  • Member
  • Posts: 51
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2012, 10:37:54 AM »
It's planned obsolescence.

Also remaining functional for longer does not make something technically superiour, it just makes it more reliable.
Modern devices have to deal with significant long term reliability problems even without being designed to break down. Electromigration which used to be a very minor problem in the past is one of them.

Atari 2600 was way simpler in design, too. I mean fuck, the Xenos chip from 360 alone is several times more complicated than the entire system of an Atari 2600... and in comparison to more modern ICs, even that is stone-age equipment. No moving parts in Atari 2600 either.

Oh while we are on the topic of Xbox360. "S" models introduced in august 2010 are considerably more reliable than early models AND cheaper to produce. Cost cutting measures also helped a lot with reliability.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2012, 10:40:30 AM by limefc »

Offline BaronVonBull

  • Member
  • Posts: 58
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2012, 11:04:35 AM »
"It's planned obsolescence" but does this make it "better". No, it's an excuse to make inferior products for huge profit gain...It actually encourages shoddy products.

However if we're using it as an analogy say for utorrent we can plug it in like this

Utorrent 1.8 (or popular older version) would be the Atari, newer utorrent would be say xbox 360 or modern console equivalent.

Utorrent 1.8 has less or no "moving parts" per se, you also have to consider manufacturing at that time was better quality as well in regard to craftsmanship.  New utorrent has more moving parts, and craftmanship regarding manufacturing has changed to require less labor, and took a hit in quality to lower prices and production cost. This leads to a product that breaks down faster and has undesirable effects.

Quote
Also remaining functional for longer does not make something technically superiour, it just makes it more reliable.
Modern devices have to deal with significant long term reliability problems even without being designed to break down. Electromigration which used to be a very minor problem in the past is one of them.

this is true, but the fact remains, it out lasted modern gaming consoles. Technologically speak, yes they are different and built different.

Technologically superior, no, infact it was inferior to it's arcade counter part. I never said it was superior. However, when it comes to craftmanship? Yes, it's superior simply because it is reliable, and has stood the test of time. The same aspect can be applied to software. I want a superior software as far as craftsman ship goes, that does withstand the test of time and can still be applicable without fucking up all the time. This can be applied to any product.

Quote
Atari 2600 was way simpler in design, too. I mean fuck, the Xenos chip from 360 alone is several times more complicated than the entire system of an Atari 2600... and in comparison to more modern ICs, even that is stone-age equipment. No moving parts in Atari 2600 either.


The part in bold is what I love most about this statement. Simpler design! This is a statement people tend to forget or don't acknowledge. People seem to think, the more complicated something is, the more superior it is. Not really. Take for example the chair. It's simple, comfortable, and functional. Now take the same chair, add a few gadgets and gizmos, say a heating pad and a drink dispenser, pretty cool right? and now you have this complex, functioning and seemingly comfortable new chair. However, something happens to the chair, the heating pad breaks, causing it to over heat, burning your ass, and the drink dispenser goes hay wire and makes a sticky mess all over your house.  Is that same complicated  chair superior to the old simplistic chair? hardly. Your old chair didn't have a melt down in your living room. Older chair = superior even though simplistic.

Look all I'm saying is newer doesn't always equal better. The consoles were used as an analogy, not to argue specifics on the consoles themselves. Older can be more reliable in terms of use than the newer. Ergo Newer doesn't always equal better. However I didn't say everything new can't be better than the old either.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2012, 11:06:37 AM by BaronVonBull »

Anime-Planet.com - anime | manga | [url=http://www.anime-planet

Offline limefc

  • Member
  • Posts: 51
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2012, 11:34:13 AM »
Quote
Utorrent 1.8 (or popular older version) would be the Atari, newer utorrent would be say xbox 360 or modern console equivalent.
Now this is an extremely bad analogy. uTorrent 1.8 is capable of performing the exact same tasks as uTorrent 3.2 with a couple of exceptions.

An Atari 2600 has no means of performing the same tasks as an Xbox360. Not even close.

Also I wouldn't exactly call the Atari 2600 a masterpiece of craftsmanship. It doesn't really use high quality parts at all. Several power supplies I own today are potentially less reliable than the Atari 2600 brick, but are made using parts of such high quality that no consumer product designer even dreamed of putting them into their power delivery systems back in 1977. The difference? Complication to handle heavier loads. These are capable of outputting over 500W DC.

You can only use reliability and simplicity as a metric for determining which product is better if you're comparing things with close to the same or identical capabilities. Of course a simpler thing is better if it can do exactly the same shit.

The Xbox 360 "S" is simpler than the good old Xbox 360 crate and it's more reliable. It has identical capabilities - it's clearly superiour.
The Atari 2600 does not have identical capabilities, it's incomparable directly. You can compare them in reliability but it is useless information. What are the odds that the Atari sitting in a corner unused because it can't handle modern software? Pretty high I am afraid.

Quote
but the fact remains, it out lasted modern gaming consoles.
Well, sure. It lasted 15 years. Although I'd very much NOT like to see the 360 last that long. Thank you very much. That shit is holding computer gaming back like a huge ball and chain with its limited capabilities.

Now back to topic of utorrent, whether old version is better than new is debatable. They have some differences in capabilities and that difference is what will determine which is better to use on case by case basis. For instance, some trackers ban uTorrent versions prior to some 2.xx version. Then it seems logical that using a newer version is better if you use the tracker(s). Though there is no denying that the older versions were less complicated, at least without knowing the inside workings.
One of the 1.xx versions had a nasty security bug as well which has since been fixed.
« Last Edit: August 16, 2012, 11:36:51 AM by limefc »

Offline zherok

  • Member
  • Posts: 2524
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2012, 08:04:24 AM »
Regarding the main topic, it appears the ad "feature" will have an opt-out option.

They say they also plan on evaluating other similar features currently part of uTorrent, and have the apps feature slated to be dropped entirely in the near future. Good new all around, though we'll have to see how they follow up on these plans.

Offline avatarl

  • Member
  • Posts: 115
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2012, 04:45:30 PM »
Regarding the main topic, it appears the ad "feature" will have an opt-out option.

They say they also plan on evaluating other similar features currently part of uTorrent, and have the apps feature slated to be dropped entirely in the near future. Good new all around, though we'll have to see how they follow up on these plans.

They also said they'll remove the apps. All they'd need afterwards is actually ADD a frigging search filter option.

Offline mgz

  • Box Fansubs
  • Member
  • Posts: 10561
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2012, 12:39:58 AM »
and I certainly don't agree with all those people who insist it's turned completely crap and only use 1.8 or whatever
Probably me. I have been using 2.0.4 for a few years now. I don't really know what has changed "behind the scenes", but I don't like the look of it, and there's like 5 minutes of configuring stuff until I like it while 2.0.4 is relatively quick to be used.
i use version 1.6.1 cuz its still the nice stripped tiny program at like 1.5mb or something absurd and still works on all trackers 1.6.0 doesnt work on some and it was shortly after 1.6 i dont remember the exact number that they got bought by bittorrent.com people and i was like fuck you guys i dont trust you

Online Mistgun_Zero

  • Member
  • Posts: 4272
  • Idol~chan
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2012, 01:07:00 AM »
I am using uTorrent 3.1.3 Well I haven't seen ads so far beside the upgrade to utorrent plus. I doubt I will go back to older version since I like the option of 'Prioritize by file order' too much since my internet speed is slow. This helps me get anime episodes be downloaded one by one and I don't have to wait a whole day to download the whole thing and then watch.

And so far it hasn't bugged me not is it's performance given me any trouble. I will stick with it till then. 

Offline megido-rev.M

  • Member
  • Posts: 16121
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #54 on: August 20, 2012, 02:36:15 AM »
Frankly, uTorrent has been going downhill since 2.0.4, initially with the UI that looked like candy-coated crap. Eventually then there was the app nonsense. Now this?

Offline Scudworth

  • Member
  • Posts: 2009
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #55 on: August 20, 2012, 04:37:14 AM »
1.8.5!!!!
I will never use anything else.

When life gives you lemons, you clone those lemons and make super lemons.

Offline occasional

  • Member
  • Posts: 384
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #56 on: August 20, 2012, 11:47:27 AM »
Top 10 uTorrent alternatives - TorrentFreak

http://torrentfreak.com/top-10-utorrent-alternatives-120819/

Offline avatarl

  • Member
  • Posts: 115
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #57 on: August 20, 2012, 12:09:54 PM »
Top 10 uTorrent alternatives - TorrentFreak

http://torrentfreak.com/top-10-utorrent-alternatives-120819/

1. BitComet
List autofail
2. BitLord.
Ok, list is obvious troll, made for lulz.  Nothing to see here.

Ok, scratch that, I actually read the thing and it's even worse.   Seriously, who lets crap like that actually get online?  The guy obviously doesn't know anything about the clients he's writing about.
« Last Edit: August 20, 2012, 12:16:02 PM by avatarl »

Offline limefc

  • Member
  • Posts: 51
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #58 on: August 20, 2012, 05:30:01 PM »
BitComet was a pretty good client from my experience, however it had some annoying bits to it. For one you needed to hex edit to get rid of the ads and then you had to hex edit it again to spoof the client to utorrent or something because tons of trackers banned BitComet.

Hope you like hex editors.

I found it to be more aggressive than uTorrent when it came to seeding, download speeds on the other hand were largely the same.

Offline megido-rev.M

  • Member
  • Posts: 16121
Re: uTorrent Becomes Ad-Supported to Rake in Millions
« Reply #59 on: August 21, 2012, 12:54:39 AM »
Top 10 uTorrent alternatives - TorrentFreak

http://torrentfreak.com/top-10-utorrent-alternatives-120819/

1. BitComet
List autofail
2. BitLord.
Ok, list is obvious troll, made for lulz.  Nothing to see here.

Ok, scratch that, I actually read the thing and it's even worse.   Seriously, who lets crap like that actually get online?  The guy obviously doesn't know anything about the clients he's writing about.

That whole list is crap when I had read it yesterday. I've seen way better shit than this.