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Building a new computer
MalusSciurus:
--- Quote from: kureshii on August 12, 2012, 11:01:58 AM ---
It looks like you've either never really put a gaming rig together and used it for some period of time, or you're just trolling. Or maybe you just have a warped sense of future-proofing.
But I'll bite anyway. If I had 3.5k quid and wanted a reasonable gaming build to last 5 years and beyond, I wouldn't spend more than 2k on the initial rig. And I'd put 1.5k aside for future itches and required upgrades.
If you're actually serious about this request, forget everything you've heard about gaming builds. Go read some buyers' guides, get a sense of what a gaming build is really like, and not what a PC would look like if you bundled all the cool but stupid things you saw on Youtube into a PC case. Don't follow the guides to the letter; that one is written in 2011, before Ivy Bridge CPUs were released. Just get a sense for what kind of parts are used. Do you see recommendations for overpriced graphics cards in SLI? Or quad striped SSDs? Or hex-core CPUs for gaming?
Are your feet on the ground yet? Good. Now throw out that build and start over again. No point in us throwing out advice here while your head is still in the clouds.
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Yeah when I was formatting my post and pasting all prices for the stuff from Newegg I felt a bit dumbfounded at how my existing rig (Q6600, 8800gt sli, 500gb seagate 7200rpm + 1.5TB) cost less 5 years ago (with adjustment of inflation ~ $2000) compared to the "dream" machine I have in mind. I was just thinking that I'm at a time in my life where I can afford to splurge a bit and get something nice. Also I tend to go all out in designing stuff and forget about practicality (Do I render and encode videos? nope....)
Soooooo moving forward how's this?
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K $339.99Mobo: ASUS P8Z77-V PRO $214.99RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) $149.99GFX Card: EVGA 04G-P4-3685-KR GeForce GTX 680 FTW $579.99SSD: SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC256D/AM 2.5" 256GB $389.99HHDs: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s $179.98 ($89.99 each)PSU: XFX ProSeries P1-1000-BELX 1000W ATX12V V2.2 $228.99
BluRay Player: ASUS Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM $49.99Case: Antec Nine Hundred $96.99OS: Windows 7 64-bit Home Premium (OEM) $99.99
So it should end up being.... $2,330.89
I guess that's a bit of improvement? I was thinking of keeping the PSU for future SLI when my rig gets 3 years old and additional drives. Oh I was thinking of swapping the SSD with this one. Is the Samsung worth the price difference?
Saras:
--- Quote from: MalusSciurus on August 13, 2012, 06:06:08 AM ---
--- Quote from: kureshii on August 12, 2012, 11:01:58 AM ---
It looks like you've either never really put a gaming rig together and used it for some period of time, or you're just trolling. Or maybe you just have a warped sense of future-proofing.
But I'll bite anyway. If I had 3.5k quid and wanted a reasonable gaming build to last 5 years and beyond, I wouldn't spend more than 2k on the initial rig. And I'd put 1.5k aside for future itches and required upgrades.
If you're actually serious about this request, forget everything you've heard about gaming builds. Go read some buyers' guides, get a sense of what a gaming build is really like, and not what a PC would look like if you bundled all the cool but stupid things you saw on Youtube into a PC case. Don't follow the guides to the letter; that one is written in 2011, before Ivy Bridge CPUs were released. Just get a sense for what kind of parts are used. Do you see recommendations for overpriced graphics cards in SLI? Or quad striped SSDs? Or hex-core CPUs for gaming?
Are your feet on the ground yet? Good. Now throw out that build and start over again. No point in us throwing out advice here while your head is still in the clouds.
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Yeah when I was formatting my post and pasting all prices for the stuff from Newegg I felt a bit dumbfounded at how my existing rig (Q6600, 8800gt sli, 500gb seagate 7200rpm + 1.5TB) cost less 5 years ago (with adjustment of inflation ~ $2000) compared to the "dream" machine I have in mind. I was just thinking that I'm at a time in my life where I can afford to splurge a bit and get something nice. Also I tend to go all out in designing stuff and forget about practicality (Do I render and encode videos? nope....)
Soooooo moving forward how's this?
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K $339.99Mobo: ASUS P8Z77-V PRO $214.99RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) $149.99GFX Card: EVGA 04G-P4-3685-KR GeForce GTX 680 FTW $579.99SSD: SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC256D/AM 2.5" 256GB $389.99HHDs: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s $179.98 ($89.99 each)PSU: XFX ProSeries P1-1000-BELX 1000W ATX12V V2.2 $228.99
BluRay Player: ASUS Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM $49.99Case: Antec Nine Hundred $96.99OS: Windows 7 64-bit Home Premium (OEM) $99.99
So it should end up being.... $2,330.89
I guess that's a bit of improvement? I was thinking of keeping the PSU for future SLI when my rig gets 3 years old and additional drives. Oh I was thinking of swapping the SSD with this one. Is the Samsung worth the price difference?
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You are a gamer. Games do not benefit from HT, there's no point in going for an i7. You WILL not feel any difference in games. Go for the i5-3570k if you do not intend to overclock and i5-2500k if you do, as Ivy Bridge's 3d transistors have heat issues when OC'ing.
There is nothing in the market at the moment, that you couldn't play maxed out on a GTX670 in a 2500x1600 resolution. The GTX680 is only slightly better (<10%) than the GTX670. You do not get your moneys worth for that extra 150$
The power supply is stupid. Get a corsair HX750 if you want to OC and to use SLI in the future or a TX650 otherwise for what you have now. At the moment, what concerns power supply choices, you're basically throwing money down the drain. This is not 2004, a 1000W PSU would only be needed if you intended to run two computers of it, or like 4 680's. Normal day to day computers and even mainstream gaming PC's don't really need >550Ws nowadays.
The vertex 4 is a good SSD, whether the price difference for the Samsung is worth it only depends on you.
vuzedome:
Let the fella have the 680 and i7, it's for gamers bragging rights, since obviously budget is not really a problem.
But please, please, for your own sake, do not SLI anything.
Tephnos:
It's just stupid buying a 680 now, with that extra price tag and the fact that it won't be long until the 7xx series shows up. Considering Nvidia considers the 680 a mid range card - yeah.
kureshii:
An i5 would make a more value-for-money gaming CPU, especially if you don't do much encoding/rendering.
You don't need a 1000W PSU, really.
Source: Anandtech
Source: Legitreviews
With a single GTX680, Anandtech's test system doesn't even use more than 350W of power. And Legitreview's test 680 SLI system doesn't draw over 600W either. Although XFX's PSU OEM is Seasonic, which means that PSU is at least a good one, it's overpriced for what you're trying to accomplish. Give Corsair's TX850M a try. It's modular as well, and can readily handle GTX680 even in SLI.
As for its "future compatibility", you don't really have to worry. If you noticed from the above trends, graphics cards don't use more and power power with each generation (excluding some anomalies). If anything, the Radeon cards have been on a sort of downward trend (a good thing!) when it comes to power consumption. Same pattern with Intel CPUs.
Not that you actually need GTX680 performance at that price, and even if you still insist on a 680, don't pay for the FTW premium. It's not worth it for a few percent extra FPS. Have a look at the Radeon 7950 or GTX670 instead? The 7950 just got a price cut this summer and should be available at ~$350 or so, while 670 should run you around $400 (I haven't checked latest prices).
They won't be as fast as a GTX680, but that's what you're saving money for — getting another card for CFX/SLI in another 2–3 years if needed (and those same cards will be even cheaper then!) Or get whichever the upper-mid-range card happens to be in 2–3 years. In either case you get more consistent gaming performance over your supposed 5-year gaming period, rather than a GPU setup that works really well at the start but only deteriorates in relative performance over time. And it won't cost you very much more than what you're paying for that overclocked GTX680.
Regarding SSDs, the Samsung 830 was a great performer when it was released late last year. But since then we've seen some new SSDs (Vertex 4) and many price cuts (Crucial M4); it's hard to justify the 830's performance at that price now. Give the Vertex 4 and Crucial M4 a look? At below $200 for the same capacity, there's really no reason not to if you haven't.
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