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Todd Akin wants abortion banned for rape victims
vicious796:
There is so much wrong here that I can't even begin to quote it all. I step out for a few weeks because my wife had - ironically - a baby and this is what I come back to? My Lord.
Science falls on both sides of this argument fairly evenly - stop trying to say "pro-lifers" work only with religion. Don't dismiss the scientific fact that a zygote is the only known biologically living entity (parasite as it may be) that has the potential to become human life or try to convince yourself that the argument is about anything other than human life. Don't fall on the stereotypical American bandwagon of thinking something is stupid because someone else made fun of it - or even if you can come up with a quip of your own.
The absolute truth in the matter is that we do not know much about human development from the moment of conception til the 3rd trimester - as much as both sides of the argument try to claim they do. Why? Testing on unborn fetuses is illegal in many corners of the globe and, where it isn't, it's expensive and tricky to do.
Jesus, why is it that people who cry out for tolerance are the most intolerant of all?
elvikun:
@Vicious
How is you having a baby ironical? Did someone came to you while your wife was pregnant and told you you have to abort it now, unless you are interested in going into prison? If the answer is no, then it is not an irony.
I also don't think anyone denies that a zygote has the potential to become a human being eventually, but whether you treat it a as a human or a simple parasitic cell growth is another question, which we won't answer here, obviously, as it is about an opinion. And admittedly, it is not -only- about religion, it is just almost exclusively about religion.
Point is: Live and live (if you excuse the pun), You are entitled to your views and opinions, you may practice them, you may spread them, but you cannot force others to live by them. That is just no good.
On a sidenote, claiming you have the truth, invoking Jesus and calling people intolerant in the same post... is an irony.
AceHigh:
Well in my mostly atheistic country the debate doesn't split between religious people and ateists. That is why I haven't been bothered commenting in that direction.
From what I have seen it's those human-ethic groups that mostly make the group against abortions. Some time ago I read about their idea of handling unwanted children: to put them up for adoption, sometimes before birth since there are many couples that want a child, but can't.
I can imagine that in big countries like USA the "supply" is much bigger than the demand, so this alternative is not applicable in their cases.
elvikun:
--- Quote from: AceHigh on August 24, 2012, 06:21:32 PM --- (click to show/hide)Well in my mostly atheistic country the debate doesn't split between religious people and ateists. That is why I haven't been bothered commenting in that direction.
From what I have seen it's those human-ethic groups that mostly make the group against abortions. Some time ago I read about their idea of handling unwanted children: to put them up for adoption, sometimes before birth since there are many couples that want a child, but can't.
I can imagine that in big countries like USA the "supply" is much bigger than the demand, so this alternative is not applicable in their cases.
--- End quote ---
That doesn't really fix anything, because you'd still force a real person to lose a year of life, endure pain, high chance of permanent body damage and small chance of death.
As for the religion part, there is a big difference between early and and late pregnancy abortions, while I'd say the ban of late-term ones is mostly motivated by valid reasoning, early-term is by religious beliefs. And frankly, it makes sense that way.
AceHigh:
Granted, my example isn't not so fitting because it's not about forcing anyone, but providing an alternative... a persuasive method. But I see that the topic is about ban on abortions, not actual help to the victims.
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