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Offline chubbinz89

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Upload/Seeding Problem
« on: September 03, 2012, 07:13:52 PM »
Before I start I want to point out that I've looked through the forum and other sites for hours before deciding to post one myself.

I haven't been able to upload much due to low upload rate and was hoping to get some guidance from here
Since pictures speak a thousand words I will be posting screen shots with the needed info

This is the current upload rate I'm getting. As you can see, even though I'm connected to numerous peers my upload rate is painfully slow. Take a look at the second torrent for example (Code Geass R2). I'm connected to 7 different peers but still getting 1kB/sec




This is my Speedtest result



This link contains my current settings for uTorrent http://imgur.com/a/T2pef

From the link above you can see that I've set the settings as recommended by many in this forum. I've also done performance test within uT with ctrl+G
I've also made sure that the current port is open.


If you could help me improve my upload speed I would be tremendously grateful.

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Re: Upload/Seeding Problem
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2012, 09:15:54 PM »
Try using uTorrent v.1.8.5 or 2+. For some reason, uTorrent v.3+ often demonstrates ridiculously poor seeding performance :(.

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Re: Upload/Seeding Problem
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2012, 09:42:59 PM »
A few of these torrents didn't improve much as I had hoped but a certain torrents saw massive improvement after downgrading to V2.2.1 as you can see and I would like to thank you very much for that


However it seems as these numbers fluctuate greatly and wondered if that's normal.



It would be great if I could get an insight on what people generally get on their upload rates

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Re: Upload/Seeding Problem
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2012, 10:06:07 PM »
No, it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your client. As Al_Sleeper ought to know. And downgrading didn't actually make any difference - getting decent speeds on a torrent sporadically is normal, and occurs whenever you get a request to upload a particular piece. The version of utorrent you're using makes no difference to that.

You ought to take another look at your screenshot and use your brain a bit. Maybe have a read through this subforum, where this exact same question has been answered thousands of times.

But just to make it clear - the number of peers is irrelevant. What is important is the ratio of seeders to peers. And, as you can see in your screenshot, that second Code Geass torrent - to use your example - has a ratio of over 11 to 1. Or, to put it another way, for every one person downloading, there are eleven other people trying to upload data to them. So obviously it's going to be tough for you to upload a torrent at anywhere near a decent speed, because there are so many other people doing it instead that it's hard to get an opportunity to send anything. Downloaders only have so much bandwidth available, after all.

This is very common with BakaBT torrents - the overall seed:peer ratio for the site is something like 20:1 - and has been discussed many, many times in this subforum. I can see several topics on it on the first page alone. There is also a lot of excellent advice on how to improve your ratio, so have a read through. It'll answer all your questions.

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Re: Upload/Seeding Problem
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2012, 10:20:45 PM »
Look at how many seeders they have....you might have peers connected to you, but those peers are also connected to tons of other people....it matters very little. Either seed them for a long time...or seek out torrents with far less seeders.

Heres a few of my torrents, notice a big difference in the seeders...which means am actually uploading?

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Re: Upload/Seeding Problem
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2012, 11:15:22 PM »
Oh I see.

For a very long time I've been a big leecher and haven't contributed to uploading at all and BakaBT sort of forced me into it (Tough Love?) and now I understand importance of seeding and made me realize that I have been "that guy" who is a selfish douchebag.

Once I get my D/U rating up above the warning level I'll be downloading torrents with low seed/peer number to help out regardless of whether I'm interested in the file or not.

Thanks for the help guys

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Re: Upload/Seeding Problem
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2012, 01:42:52 AM »
No, it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your client. As Al_Sleeper ought to know.
I beg to reconsider it. Getting 30 KB/s upload speed instead of 300 KB/s for a torrent with ~50 leechers and me as the only seeder is just plain ridiculous.

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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2012, 03:28:07 AM »
I remember that blubart had explained before that this phenomenon is caused more by your router being unable to handle uTP. I'm not sure how old uTP is, but I don't think 1.8.5 had it. 2.x(.x) I'm unsure.

Disabling uTP should improve performance.

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Re: Upload/Seeding Problem
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2012, 03:54:45 AM »
So I've been more focused on seeder/peer ratio now and just noticed this


If you look at the sixth torrent you can see that 372 seeders and 15 peers (approximately 25:1 ratio) and it is getting almost 100kB/second upload.
However, if you take a look at the fourth torrent you can see that it has 426 seeders and 56 peers (approx. 8:1 ratio), but is getting a mere 1.2kB/second upload.


Could you give me an insight on why that might be?

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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2012, 04:34:33 AM »
I remember that blubart had explained before that this phenomenon is caused more by your router being unable to handle uTP.
No, that was a different problem because I don't have a router in Moscow, and I installed uTorrent v3+ only on my new system in Moscow.

If you look at the sixth torrent you can see that 372 seeders and 15 peers (approximately 25:1 ratio) and it is getting almost 100kB/second upload.
However, if you take a look at the fourth torrent you can see that it has 426 seeders and 56 peers (approx. 8:1 ratio), but is getting a mere 1.2kB/second upload.
Your upload speed also depends on the number of seeders with seedboxes, and you cannot determine it just by looking at the number of seeders.
« Last Edit: September 04, 2012, 04:37:21 AM by Al_Sleeper »

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Re: Upload/Seeding Problem
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2012, 09:29:47 AM »
No, it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your client. As Al_Sleeper ought to know.
I beg to reconsider it. Getting 30 KB/s upload speed instead of 300 KB/s for a torrent with ~50 leechers and me as the only seeder is just plain ridiculous.

I have never had that problem, at all, and I've seeded plenty of torrents using version 3+. And either way, it's clearly not the OP's issue.

So I've been more focused on seeder/peer ratio now and just noticed this


If you look at the sixth torrent you can see that 372 seeders and 15 peers (approximately 25:1 ratio) and it is getting almost 100kB/second upload.
However, if you take a look at the fourth torrent you can see that it has 426 seeders and 56 peers (approx. 8:1 ratio), but is getting a mere 1.2kB/second upload.

Could you give me an insight on why that might be?

The amount you seed will always vary sporadically. If you are lucky enough to have a peer request a piece from you, then you will upload that piece to them as fast as you can upload, or as fast as they can download (whichever's slower), so getting the occasional 100KB/s is perfectly normal. It'll happen more often in torrents with a more favourable ratio, but it will happen with all of them at one point or another.

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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2012, 10:26:25 AM »
I have never had that problem, at all, and I've seeded plenty of torrents using version 3+. And either way, it's clearly not the OP's issue.
The problems was partially ameliorated in newer versions of uTorrent v.3+, but it still counts as a very poor seeding performance.

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Re: Upload/Seeding Problem
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2012, 03:52:45 AM »
For someone to download from you, he broadcasts a request for a piece and you receive it. You then proceed to send him the piece.

Note that, even in this overly simplified situation, you can quite clearly see that:
- The other guy can make lots of requests to lots of different seeders and peers
- The speed at which he can download from you depends on how much bandwidth he is able to use downloading, not just on the upload bandwidth of the seeders

Therefore, that one person that you are seeding at 99KBps to probably either did not make many requests at a time and/or has a really awesome downstream connection, and the opposite may be possible for the peers you are seeding at 0KBps to.

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« Last Edit: September 06, 2012, 05:26:26 AM by Freedom Kira »

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Re: Upload/Seeding Problem
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2012, 08:35:24 PM »
If you look at the sixth torrent you can see that 372 seeders and 15 peers (approximately 25:1 ratio) and it is getting almost 100kB/second upload.
However, if you take a look at the fourth torrent you can see that it has 426 seeders and 56 peers (approx. 8:1 ratio), but is getting a mere 1.2kB/second upload.

Could you give me an insight on why that might be?
It's simple, 1080p Bakemonogatari does not have 56 peers, that number is misleading. If you look at the peerlist a huge amount of those peers are just people seeding without downloading all the shit in the torrent (TV previews & audio coms)...

Offline chubbinz89

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Re: Upload/Seeding Problem
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2012, 11:33:38 PM »
Thank you everyone for your help and the information ^__^

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Re: Upload/Seeding Problem
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2012, 02:32:12 AM »
Yes, uTorrent 2.2.1 supports uTP.