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halfelite:
--- Quote from: Tatsujin on May 03, 2014, 04:23:54 PM ---
I don't need NAS. So don't recommend that anymore!
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A NAS is exactly what you want. What do you think your maximum space needed is Synology just came out with the DS214se at like 159$ but only a 2 bay. Going with an enclosure is just sloppy and most of them have crappy backplanes and lots of issues.
There is two ways to look it get a nice 2-4+ bay NAS and be set for years or keep putting together cheap enclosures running JBOD that will get messy.
And the link you posted will not be fast. if you are running it over esata which make sure your motherboard has port multiplier not a lot of them do you are spreading 8 drives on a single channel so if you fill it that is 9 drives on one sata port. If you go with a NAS either wired or wireless you can store it anywhere does not need to be buy a computer it can be out of site out of mind.
your one enclosure if you are say playing a video and seeding a torrent on two different drives you can maybe get 100Mb/s then each time you spin up another drive in the enclosure keep dividing by 2. Same for usb since its a cheap single backplane with out its own I/o
Tatsujin:
--- Quote from: halfelite on May 03, 2014, 07:45:43 PM ---
--- Quote from: Tatsujin on May 03, 2014, 04:23:54 PM ---
I don't need NAS. So don't recommend that anymore!
--- End quote ---
A NAS is exactly what you want. What do you think your maximum space needed is Synology just came out with the DS214se at like 159$ but only a 2 bay. Going with an enclosure is just sloppy and most of them have crappy backplanes and lots of issues.
There is two ways to look it get a nice 2-4+ bay NAS and be set for years or keep putting together cheap enclosures running JBOD that will get messy.
And the link you posted will not be fast. if you are running it over esata which make sure your motherboard has port multiplier not a lot of them do you are spreading 8 drives on a single channel so if you fill it that is 9 drives on one sata port. If you go with a NAS either wired or wireless you can store it anywhere does not need to be buy a computer it can be out of site out of mind.
your one enclosure if you are say playing a video and seeding a torrent on two different drives you can maybe get 100Mb/s then each time you spin up another drive in the enclosure keep dividing by 2. Same for usb since its a cheap single backplane with out its own I/o
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I see, okay this convienced me enough.
4 Bay is the minimum I have. I also don't have wireless on my computer. I don't have eSATA connections on this computer from outside, either. I have USB 3.0 so thats what I'd like to have.
I've seen several nice NAS but they're a bit expensive. The best one I saw looked so bad-ass and had 5 stars. It was 6-bay, but the fucking price on that thing is a staggering 600 USD :/ ... that's just retarded.
Lol, NAS is a computer?! ... Why can't I just build a fucking computer myself and turn it into a NAS? Wow I'm really dull on this shit. Can I custom build something on my own and have it specifically JUST for HDDs? ...
Look at this.
From what's left over:
DF-85, has 9 bays all open. Nice big case. PSU is Corsair Gold 750 ... forgot which model it was.
What I've just put together:
HSF - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099
RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231313
MOBO - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157371 (has 10 SATA slots)
CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116896
Well is this good enough? Or is NAS a whole different ... thing? I don't understand this shit. NAS is a computer? Because I saw "dual-core" and "RAM" and I'm like "wow a fucking thousand dollars for a shit specs because it has 8 bays?" Does it run on some sort of software? Do you install it on your computer and access it through there?
I'm like, very lost. I think I'm even losing myself even more.
Ohh fuck yes ... This guide is neat. So it IS run on a software. The directions look easy enough. Alright, so how's the set up I put together up there? I'm gonna fill all the bays up with 4TB WD Reds. Kinda sucks I don't have room for this computer. Also, like ... how do I connect the soon-to-be-NAS set up into the network? I got an old Linksys router. Do I need anything special? Or just connect the Ethernet? The router's in-coming port is from the Internet and the other 4 ports, 3 used, are spread across the house.
xShadow:
For putting together a really cheap object just for holding hdd's, I'd go to ebay. Various bits of used server equipment on there for cheap prices if you care to look for them (like my server grade APC Smart UPS).
kureshii:
--- Quote from: Tatsujin on May 03, 2014, 08:44:00 PM ---I've seen several nice NAS but they're a bit expensive. The best one I saw looked so bad-ass and had 5 stars. It was 6-bay, but the fucking price on that thing is a staggering 600 USD :/ ... that's just retarded.
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It’s retarded unless you know what you’re paying for, and you are actually using those things/features you paid for.
--- Quote from: Tatsujin on May 03, 2014, 08:44:00 PM ---Lol, NAS is a computer?! ... Why can't I just build a fucking computer myself and turn it into a NAS? Wow I'm really dull on this shit. Can I custom build something on my own and have it specifically JUST for HDDs? ...
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You sure could. If you’re not picky it’s really easy. You *just* need to learn how to set it up as a server.
--- Quote from: Tatsujin on May 03, 2014, 08:44:00 PM ---Look at this.
Well is this good enough? Or is NAS a whole different ... thing? I don't understand this shit. NAS is a computer? Because I saw "dual-core" and "RAM" and I'm like "wow a fucking thousand dollars for a shit specs because it has 8 bays?" Does it run on some sort of software? Do you install it on your computer and access it through there?
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An NAS is essentially a PC designed to do server-things. It has customised firmware to make things really easy, web interfaces all set up, and a custom enclosure meant for convenience.
What do you get for the money? Hotswap bays, dual GbE LAN, HDD status LEDs (and maybe a text LCD), simplicity, convenience, small chassis footprint and low power consumption, firmware support, ... if you're not using most of those, the price obviously won't make sense to you. If you want to use it as a transcoding media server, you probably will want to build your own.
Among the better-reputed brands are Synology, QNAP. New entries include ASUSTOR (as the name suggests, an offshoot of ASUS), more budget-minded entries include Buffalo, and your usual router brands.
The specs may look shit, but remember that you're not using this for games or Photoshop. All those system resources will be used for background processes (e.g. RAID) and system tasks. Do you really want to blow your budget on 8 cores and 8GB RAM just for that?
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I'd suggest you start with any cheap PC you have lying in the basement first, set it up, play around with it, get a feel for what it's like managing a networked server, know what are the things you must have in your server and which are the nice-to-haves. Better than blowing your money on a premium NAS and finding it's not what you want. If you like that case size, Chenbro has a pretty decent ITX server case, if you can get past the name, if not any case that can handle your desired number of HDDs will do.
Personally, I started with a 4-bay Synology CS-407, liked the interface and convenience but found the 500MHz ARM processor too slow for torrent hashing. A couple of years later, moved to an i3 home server in a Lian Li V354 case, found it overpowered and not at all convenient. Running your own Linux server is fun and exciting etc and you get to do lots of shit, but there’re also nights you spend figuring out how to configure things exactly the way you want them, troubleshooting any samba updates and breakages, etc. I had a web interface set up, then it broke, then I unbroke it again, then it broke again ... chances are you’d be spending a lot of time in a command line, so you better learn to love it (unless you have a spare monitor and keyboard for the server). And unless your case has hotswap, each time you need to do something to your disks, that means mounting/unmounting then in a remote shell, opening up the case to add/remove disks, ... . And of course you have no way of knowing how your disks are doing unless you have email notifications set up, which means more reading ... If that sounds like your cup of tea, this is probably what you want.
Eventually I moved to a 6-bay Asustor AS-606T instead. Pricey? Yes :'| Convenient? Hell yes. HDD status LEDs especially, if you’re using a bunch of old/cheap drives that don’t necessarily hold up well under 24/7 operation. It took me more than a year to finally decide to go back to an NAS, but I’m glad I did. YMMV.
kitamesume:
^ wouldn't setting up a dropbox solution in a windows environment save you from those hassles?
although this is generally a waste of resources, you could effectively use the windows environment for other tasks like a HTPC using MPC-HC+MadVR.
rather than calling it a NAS though its a lot closer to being a windows file server.
--- Quote from: Tatsujin on May 03, 2014, 08:44:00 PM ---Lol, NAS is a computer?! ... Why can't I just build a fucking computer myself and turn it into a NAS? Wow I'm really dull on this shit. Can I custom build something on my own and have it specifically JUST for HDDs? ...
Look at this.
From what's left over:
DF-85, has 9 bays all open. Nice big case. PSU is Corsair Gold 750 ... forgot which model it was.
What I've just put together:
HSF - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099
RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231313
MOBO - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157371 (has 10 SATA slots)
CPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116896
Well is this good enough? Or is NAS a whole different ... thing? I don't understand this shit. NAS is a computer? Because I saw "dual-core" and "RAM" and I'm like "wow a fucking thousand dollars for a shit specs because it has 8 bays?" Does it run on some sort of software? Do you install it on your computer and access it through there?
I'm like, very lost. I think I'm even losing myself even more.
Ohh fuck yes ... This guide is neat. So it IS run on a software. The directions look easy enough. Alright, so how's the set up I put together up there? I'm gonna fill all the bays up with 4TB WD Reds. Kinda sucks I don't have room for this computer. Also, like ... how do I connect the soon-to-be-NAS set up into the network? I got an old Linksys router. Do I need anything special? Or just connect the Ethernet? The router's in-coming port is from the Internet and the other 4 ports, 3 used, are spread across the house.
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do you even need a fucking i5 for a NAS?
an ITX case, ITX board (with wifi or none), celeron or i3 haswell, and a 4port SATA card will be well under $400.
expand it into an MATX build if 4~6 drive slots isn't enough, an MATX build could scale well over 10 drive slots.
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