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[Tatsujin]

yeah it wouldn't technically even congest with one doing file transfers while another is streaming movies.
but it'll show once two or more do file transfers at once, although i wonder if you could setup a QoS to prioritize streaming over everything else.

Interesting. Yes that's good to know. Though the only person who will be able to delete, edit and transfer files will be me. But yeah I see what you mean. Btw, WD reds 4tb on sata 2 versus sata 3 is no difference? Or is there a difference?

[kitamesume]

barely any, sequential average speed will still top at around 80MB/s, although SATAIII has a few other good things to be considered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA

    6 Gbit/s for scalable performance.
    Continued compatibility with SAS, including SAS 6 Gbit/s. "A SAS domain may support attachment to and control of unmodified SATA devices connected directly into the SAS domain using the Serial ATA Tunneled Protocol (STP)" from the SATA_Revision_3_0_G old specification.
    Isochronous Native Command Queuing (NCQ) streaming command to enable isochronous quality of service data transfers for streaming digital content applications.
    An NCQ Management feature that helps optimize performance by enabling host processing and management of outstanding NCQ commands.
    Improved power management capabilities.
    A small low insertion force (LIF) connector for more compact 1.8-inch storage devices.
    A connector designed to accommodate 7 mm optical disk drives for thinner and lighter notebooks.
    Alignment with the INCITS ATA8-ACS standard.

In general, the enhancements are aimed at improving quality of service for video streaming and high-priority interrupts. In addition, the standard continues to support distances up to one meter. The newer speeds may require higher power consumption for supporting chips, though improved process technologies and power management techniques may mitigate this. The later specification can use existing SATA cables and connectors, though it was reported in 2008 that some OEMs were expected to upgrade host connectors for the higher speeds

[halfelite]

yeah it wouldn't technically even congest with one doing file transfers while another is streaming movies.
but it'll show once two or more do file transfers at once, although i wonder if you could setup a QoS to prioritize streaming over everything else.

But the difference is not enough to have a negative effect in streaming. we are talking 80-90MB/s were if you are streaming a 1:1 bluray you only need to sustain 5.4MB/s then add a file transfer on to that it will easily support both with no negative impact. now if you start pushing multiple transfers from multiple sources sure you will saturate the line but in a home setup they would have no impact in a practical situation.

[kitamesume]

thats what i just said.

but if it were a concern the work around is pretty simple, bridge two NICs and connect both into the switch.

[halfelite]

Correct but just so you get your terms right for future use. You are referring to teaming not bridging. Birding just combines two networks to allow nat translation across them. teaming you use to either split incoming/outgoing over two separate nics or combine them for increased bandwidth.

In all honesty when I built my server I had a switch that had 10Gb/s so I installed a 10GB/s interface and only time I have ever used over a what gig interface would have offered is when I first transferred everything from my old NAS to my new one.

[Tatsujin]

thats what i just said.

but if it were a concern the work around is pretty simple, bridge two NICs and connect both into the switch.

NICs? That picture is losing me. I don't what is going on D: at work ATM.

[kitamesume]

NIC is just short for (LA)Network Interface Cards, or LAN Card.
LA stands for Local Area, if that also needs wording.

Correct but just so you get your terms right for future use. You are referring to teaming not bridging. Birding just combines two networks to allow nat translation across them. teaming you use to either split incoming/outgoing over two separate nics or combine them for increased bandwidth.

In all honesty when I built my server I had a switch that had 10Gb/s so I installed a 10GB/s interface and only time I have ever used over a what gig interface would have offered is when I first transferred everything from my old NAS to my new one.

looking it up, yeah i guess i used the wrong term.
for reference - http://sysadminupdates.com/blog/2013/09/12/what-is-the-difference-between-nic-teaming-and-bonding/

you gave me an idea, i wonder if i team two NICs to split in/out traffic just to minimize latency is worth the trouble.
could potentially be effective for PFSense hybrid router, with file server features.

edit: just to note, i've experienced wild latency fluctuations(its small but noticable, like stutters) whenever someone transfers files over the LAN, i guess its due to the slow router though.

[Tatsujin]

ethernet connection you mean? So then what's the "switch" box used for? Shouldn't that be the router? ................... ..........

[kitamesume]

you could google "switch" "hub" and "router" you know.

[halfelite]

most consumer grade routers are slow. its why they only cost 100$ but once you bump up to small business and above you start paying 500$+ if you want fast connections between local devices buy a switch and just use the router for nat translation.

[Tatsujin]

most consumer grade routers are slow. its why they only cost 100$ but once you bump up to small business and above you start paying 500$+ if you want fast connections between local devices buy a switch and just use the router for nat translation.

lol ... so this router is not enough? I don't understand how I would plug the thing anyways. I've used switches before. But where would I plug it in?

Would it be

NAS > Router > Switch > Devices?

> = to

I mean, if I use that router then I'm good to go right? What's the big idea of using a switch, again? Isn't the router enough speed to justify?

[Tri_Edge]

That link leads nowhere.

A switch is only needed if you need more ports and bandwidth than what your router can provide.

Kind of like this

modem->router->switch(if needed)->devices(NAS, PC, Console and what not)

[kitamesume]

^yes like that, but keep note that the router still manages wifi so those falls onto the router.

[halfelite]

lol ... so this router is not enough? I don't understand how I would plug the thing anyways. I've used switches before. But where would I plug it in?

Would it be

NAS > Router > Switch > Devices?

> = to

I mean, if I use that router then I'm good to go right? What's the big idea of using a switch, again? Isn't the router enough speed to justify?

Lets not get ahead of ourselves. We are just talking worse case scenario. Your scenario sounds clean cut nothing fancy needed. build the NAS and be fine with one NIC and your router handling the traffic with its built in switch.

stand alone switches are just used to extended your network if you need more then the 4 standard ports on most routers or if you want to be very efficient with your network traffic. 99% of home setups do not need this. Just some of us strange people that have large networks or push a lot of traffic around. I personally needed a switch because when I moved in I wired every room in my house with two cat6 cables so I needed a big 24 port switch to handle all that if needed.

[Freedom Kira]

Interesting. Yes that's good to know. Though the only person who will be able to delete, edit and transfer files will be me. But yeah I see what you mean. Btw, WD reds 4tb on sata 2 versus sata 3 is no difference? Or is there a difference?

With most mechanical HDDs, the connection speed past SATA I will pretty much only affect your HDD cache performance. Most caches are 64MB or smaller, so don't expect a huge difference.

[Tatsujin]

Kk, so now that's out of the way. I want to build a nice small system to encode anime. It will have access to my NAS, too. I saw you guys building very small cases with mobos and PSU. So now I saw an i3 having 4 threads based on 2 CPUs for really cheap price and it got me thinking about that. 4Gb memory and a 64gb ssd. Not sure about having a GPU and what type of PSU would fit. I want the budget to be as low as possible with least amount of electricity/heat. What do you guys think?

[halfelite]

Depends how long you want the encodes to take if you are not in a hurry buy one of the cheap intel nucs. and use the onboard gpu for encoding. I don't do much encoding at all accept making 1:1 which is not encoding at all so im not the best to answer this one.

[kitamesume]

speed over quality = Quicksync
quality over speed = CPU

generally an i3 would be 30% or so slower than the lower end i5s so it shouldn't even be much of an issue either.
to note though, quicksync is still 3times faster than the i7s but the quality is mediocre.


i don't recommend going with a 4GB ram, even if its barely sufficient its gonna end up as an issue later on.
at least go with a 1x4GB 1600mhz so that you can expand later on.

64GB ssds aren't worth it, they're priced at $50~$70 while 128GBs are priced at $70~$100.

you can skip a GPU for later, try out the IGP first if that'll suffice, if you find it lacking you can add a GPU later on.
edit: to note, you'll need slightly more ram if you want to use the IGP, since the system ram and gpu ram is shared on the same ram.

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/kitame/saved/4CaQ

[Mistgun_Zero]

Noctua came out with some new fans with a grey color scheme. (Finally!!!). Seriously though, what's up with their ugly colors? They should know by now that majority doesn't like them.

http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/noctua_adds_two_fan_product_lines_and_accessory_kits.html

[Tatsujin]

Ordered first half. Going to order second half for the NAS set up. DF-85 case is more than enough storage and sports a lot of fans. Think a Pentium 3.0Ghz Haswell will disperse a lot of heat inside a room?