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kitamesume · « **Reply #1340 on:** May 14, 2014, 07:25:56 AM »

Quote from: Tatsujin on May 13, 2014, 08:43:53 PM

Ordered first half. Going to order second half for the NAS set up. DF-85 case is more than enough storage and sports a lot of fans. Think a Pentium 3.0Ghz Haswell will disperse a lot of heat inside a room?

nope, i doubt it would even need the extra fans at all.

Mistgun_Zero · « **Reply #1341 on:** May 14, 2014, 02:35:37 PM »

So..... I have a core 2 duo 2ghz processor. I was wondering if I could slap in a R9 265/270/270x or a GTX 750/750Ti/760 and play normally or do I need to upgrade to a i3/i5 minimum. RAM is the DDR3 1333/1600 Hz. Change in processor to an i3/i5 might also mean a motherboard change, I think. (Don't know really). Also just assume it's PCIe 2.0.

Original plan was to get a PS4 but well....let's also consider the alternative. (Main reason was number of games).

lololitas · « **Reply #1342 on:** May 14, 2014, 03:08:44 PM »

Going i3/i5 will definetely mean a motherboard change (afaik the 0th gen i-processors changed from 775 to 1366 and 1155), however you should be hitting rock-bottom on system requirements with your current processor

kitamesume · « **Reply #1343 on:** May 14, 2014, 03:25:42 PM »

core2duo @ 2Ghz is really, really slow. you could even pick up a haswell pentium @ 2.7Ghz and it'd outperform it by more than twice.

an i3 upgrade would be the cheapest and reasonable path, an i5 would be a budget stretch tho.
on the other hand, if you could get your hands on the overclockable pentiums then those could potentially outperform a cheap i5 for less costs.

edit: PS4 or consoles in general are a waste of money, most of those who pick them up either has too much money, or not enough money to buy a gaming PC.
i mean think about it, you could play most of the console games in a PC, some of those games can even be played at a much better graphic quality.
only a handful of games aren't ported to PCs or are badly ported, sadly theres no PS4 emulator yet but that doesn't matter much though.

Mistgun_Zero · « **Reply #1344 on:** May 14, 2014, 04:46:10 PM »

So basically I will be have huge bottleneck even if I have a decent gpu huh?! Well I wanted to keep the budget within the cost of a PS4. If I have to upgrade the motherboard as well might as well be an i3/i5. The fact that if I built this build it will only last only for a year since both me and my brother will be moving out and really don't want to spend much on it now. (In that scenario a PS4 would be much easier to take around). Supposing i do make a PC which of the above cards would you recommend as I am not really willing to spend more than that (Last I checked those cards would give a decent 40-50fps on 1080p which is much better than PS4/xbox).

Edit: also which CPU should I look for in i3/i5 (intel only cause stuff like MATLAB and autoCad behave better with that). If possible can we get a budget of $350 for CPU+ GPU. That will have some extra left out for motherboard and power supply (500w enough?)

Tatsujin · « **Reply #1345 on:** May 14, 2014, 05:28:30 PM »

Quote from: Mistgun_Zero on May 14, 2014, 04:46:10 PM

So basically I will be have huge bottleneck even if I have a decent gpu huh?! Well I wanted to keep the budget within the cost of a PS4. If I have to upgrade the motherboard as well might as well be an i3/i5. The fact that if I built this build it will only last only for a year since both me and my brother will be moving out and really don't want to spend much on it now. (In that scenario a PS4 would be much easier to take around). Supposing i do make a PC which of the above cards would you recommend as I am not really willing to spend more than that (Last I checked those cards would give a decent 40-50fps on 1080p which is much better than PS4/xbox).

Edit: also which CPU should I look for in i3/i5 (intel only cause stuff like MATLAB and autoCad behave better with that). If possible can we get a budget of $350 for CPU+ GPU. That will have some extra left out for motherboard and power supply (500w enough?)

AutoCAD? Isn't that CPU intensive program? .. I would say an i5. There are i3s with 4 threads but they only have 2 CPUs.

Mistgun_Zero · « **Reply #1346 on:** May 14, 2014, 05:31:59 PM »

If you know how to use if properly, you can make it dance even on a core 2 duo.

. But that's not the main point. It's mostly for gaming, and I am much comfortable with intel.

Tatsujin · « **Reply #1347 on:** May 14, 2014, 05:34:39 PM »

Quote from: Mistgun_Zero on May 14, 2014, 05:31:59 PM

If you know how to use if properly, you can make it dance even on a core 2 duo. . But that's not the main point. It's mostly for gaming, and I am much comfortable with intel.

Intel does it better at everything. Always have.

Go with an i3 with hyperthreading. It costs 110 to 120 USD. Great for mid-end gaming and standalone computer for heavy encoding (its not as fast as an i5 or the beasty i7 but gets the job done when left alone).

halfelite · « **Reply #1348 on:** May 14, 2014, 06:50:04 PM »

autocad run fine on an I3. I run autocad 2014 and rasterdesign 2014 on my home I3 with 8 gb of ram from an ssd it loads in about 3 seconds and no stutters zooming in and out of drawings. I run it at work on an i5 with 8gb of ram and from a sata drive. and there is no huge difference between the i3 and 5 for autocad.

kitamesume · « **Reply #1349 on:** May 14, 2014, 09:34:43 PM »

i3-4130 + a $70 board would only push $190~$200, that leaves you with $150 or so for GPU, plenty for a mid-end R9-270 was it? or a more power efficient GTX750Ti.

edit: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/kitame/saved/4Gxk

picked HD7870 since its slightly cheaper than the OCed 750Ti, to note the 750Ti vs HD7870 is a give or take, depends on games favoring Nvidia or favoring AMD.
theres also one big note, AMD's mantle feature (if the game supports mantle) could boost performance on weaker processors, so the i3 would get some performance benefit from AMD.
on the other hand the 750Ti would consume roughly half the power of the HD7870.

on another note, that HD7870 from powercolor seems to suffer overheating issues, well typical of AMD cards but powercolor isn't a great brand either so bad became worse.
edit: ohh and as usual, amd's 14.x drivers are utterly unstable. i'm on 13.12 and is stable for me.

Mistgun_Zero · « **Reply #1350 on:** May 15, 2014, 04:10:56 AM »

As a note power consumption isn't a problem, since I will have to upgrade the supply unit in any case. With a max budget of $500 (PS4 costs $465 in Dubai +$50 for a single game

), I might spend every money I save on a better gpu. It will be either msi or ASUS. (Lastly zotac) since only those are available most of the time in Dubai.

Mistgun_Zero · « **Reply #1351 on:** May 19, 2014, 12:12:47 PM »

Hai hai! One more question. What would be the effect if put r9 270/280 on a PCIe 2.0 lane instead of 3.0. (Yeah with an i3 processor)

lololitas · « **Reply #1352 on:** May 19, 2014, 12:35:42 PM »

it should work allright. I'm using my GTX 760 on PCIe 2.0 and I don't have any problems.

kitamesume · « **Reply #1353 on:** May 19, 2014, 01:35:51 PM »

there was a review on that, PCIE 2.0/3.0 measuring the benefit of 3.0, the difference is 8% or so with 2.0 vs 3.0.
so yes there really isn't much to worry about.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/07/18/pci_express_20_vs_30_gpu_gaming_performance_review/13

Tatsujin · « **Reply #1354 on:** May 19, 2014, 10:43:48 PM »

Quote from: Mistgun_Zero on May 14, 2014, 02:35:37 PM

So..... I have a core 2 duo 2ghz processor. I was wondering if I could slap in a R9 265/270/270x or a GTX 750/750Ti/760 and play normally or do I need to upgrade to a i3/i5 minimum. RAM is the DDR3 1333/1600 Hz. Change in processor to an i3/i5 might also mean a motherboard change, I think. (Don't know really). Also just assume it's PCIe 2.0.

Original plan was to get a PS4 but well....let's also consider the alternative. (Main reason was number of games).

i3 - 2 processors/4 threads = 120 usd
mobo - 50-80 usd
psu - 40-80 usd (haven't done research on this to be honest, but guessing 450-650w bronze is about that much, and you may NOT even need this at all)
ram - per 4gb, 30usd average, top-end 40usd. 8gb is 70 usd, and 16gb is about 120-140 usd

so that's the bare minimum to start you off if you're going to get a new gpu. don't even bother with a new gpu on that old system man.

an i3 with 4 threads is amazing for gaming (don't expect it to perform flawlessly on end-game settings for thirsty spec games, maybe high-end or medium would do it).

Tiffanys · « **Reply #1355 on:** May 20, 2014, 05:24:02 AM »

You guys should really start making your own threads... The last 5+ pages are all off topic.

Mistgun_Zero · « **Reply #1356 on:** May 20, 2014, 05:31:09 AM »

Maybe we should just rename it as general tech/computer chat or make a new thread general tech/computer help/advice. That way advice give to others might also be useful for someone else.

@Tiff or Tatsu or anyone else for that matter: Can you make a new thread and have all the last five pages merged there?

Tatsujin · « **Reply #1357 on:** May 20, 2014, 11:53:28 AM »

Quote from: Mistgun_Zero on May 20, 2014, 05:31:09 AM

Maybe we should just rename it as general tech/computer chat or make a new thread general tech/computer help/advice. That way advice give to others might also be useful for someone else.

@Tiff or Tatsu or anyone else for that matter: Can you make a new thread and have all the last five pages merged there?

I'll just rename thread.

Keep the discussion going.

Takeshi · « **Reply #1358 on:** May 20, 2014, 06:11:05 PM »

Just bought a Steelseries Rival mouse and a Steelseries Apex [RAW] Gaming Keyboard. Yes, I love their quality and I like to support them since they're Danish.

The mouse is great although bigger than my Logitech M-S69. So it'll take some getting used to. That case is even more apparent with the keyboard. Very rare that it starts off feeling normal. I got macro keys, L1 and L2 buttons. And MX1 to MX5 buttons. It's definitely different from using my Logitech Ultra X 967353-0403. That one had an issue with the space key not registering correctly since I mostly press it on the left side due to WASD.

That concludes my rig, I think. Maybe SSD down the line? Just need to find a proper mouse pad. I think I may go for Steelseries 4HD.

kitamesume · « **Reply #1359 on:** May 20, 2014, 06:17:36 PM »

Quote from: Tatsujin on May 19, 2014, 10:43:48 PM

Quote from: Mistgun_Zero on May 14, 2014, 02:35:37 PM
So..... I have a core 2 duo 2ghz processor. I was wondering if I could slap in a R9 265/270/270x or a GTX 750/750Ti/760 and play normally or do I need to upgrade to a i3/i5 minimum. RAM is the DDR3 1333/1600 Hz. Change in processor to an i3/i5 might also mean a motherboard change, I think. (Don't know really). Also just assume it's PCIe 2.0.

Original plan was to get a PS4 but well....let's also consider the alternative. (Main reason was number of games).
i3 - 2 processors/4 threads = 120 usd
mobo - 50-80 usd
psu - 40-80 usd (haven't done research on this to be honest, but guessing 450-650w bronze is about that much, and you may NOT even need this at all)
ram - per 4gb, 30usd average, top-end 40usd. 8gb is 70 usd, and 16gb is about 120-140 usd

so that's the bare minimum to start you off if you're going to get a new gpu. don't even bother with a new gpu on that old system man.

an i3 with 4 threads is amazing for gaming (don't expect it to perform flawlessly on end-game settings for thirsty spec games, maybe high-end or medium would do it).

pentiums aren't far off either, typically 20% slower than the i3s in general, but single-thread workloads aren't bothered by that.
the price difference is ridiculous though, if you don't really need the CPU muscle the pentium is worth more for the slot, you could always buy a 2nd-hand i5 later on.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2341758

Intel Pentium Anniversary Edition, overclockable pentium haswells.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7872/unlocked-haswell-pentium-due-mid2014
http://wccftech.com/intel-pentium-anniversary-edition-unlocked-processor-support-8-9-series-chipsets-targetted-amd/

srsly someone has got to run an i5/i7 with 2cores(&HT) disabled @ 4.5Ghz and bench it, it'll give figures of how this pentium would cope with today's standard.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7963/the-intel-haswell-refresh-review-core-i7-4790-i5-4690-and-i3-4360-tested
haswell refresh review, seems like they're doing better though no temp benches.

edit: found one with a temp bench.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6319/intel-core-i7-4790-haswell-refresh-cpu-and-z97-performance-preview/index5.html

note: these are not devil's canyon, these are simply just tweaked haswells, well it should've been obvious with the "refresh" tag.

ohh and tatsu, check this review, its expensive as fuck XD
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7970/asrock-rack-c2750d4i-review-a-storage-motherboard-with-management

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