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[kitamesume]

does anyone know whether broadwell will go into LGA1150? or even just in 9-series chipset boards?

if broadwell will fit in the same socket haswell's in then i think it'd be worth while to buy that pentium-K as a place holder, seeing that broadwell is still roughly half a year away.
in any case a $72 pentium-K would still serve well as an extra unit after swapping it out for a broadwell chip, considering that a 4.5Ghz dual-core is far from being junk.

[lololitas]

Supposedly it comes to 1150, but is only supported by 9series chipsets

[kitamesume]

i figured as much, given the fact that they did release 9-series for haswell refresh barely being compatible with 8-series chipset.
technically since broadwell is based on haswell refresh that had been die-shrunk to 14nm it should be the case, though whether Z87 will also support broadwell is another question.

[Mistgun_Zero]

ASUS released their NX500 and GX500 laptops with 4K resolution. It's basically a rMBP replica. The GX500 is the ROG version with gtx 860.

I really like these and if these are valued at anywhere near the retina MacBook Pro price I would get these. After a year or two I.e. Gtx 860 ain't future proof enough for even 1080p gaming. Wonder what the battery life on these will be. (Even if you tone down to 1080p)

[kitamesume]

30mins on max-load? i doubt it'd last more than 2hours though.

[Mistgun_Zero]

^I will disagree. It's an ultra book level. I am sure it will give around 4 hours on normal usage. But still has to see.

[kitamesume]

^I will disagree. It's an ultra book level. I am sure it will give around 4 hours on normal usage. But still has to see.

didn't i mention max-load? e.g. AIDA FPU?

[Mistgun_Zero]

Even in max load I would expect at least one and half hour to two hours.. Otherwise it can't be called a laptop.

[kitamesume]

Even in max load I would expect at least one and half hour to two hours.. Otherwise it can't be called a laptop.

thats what i said, "i doubt it'd last more than 2hours though".

[Tatsujin]

I was able to share my drivers. I'm currently having trouble trying to make an admin user name where I can access it from my main computer (this one) so I can modify any files I want at any time. The "Everyone" user name is set to "read" only which is what I want. Anyone know how to set this up?

Make a new user on the machine that has the drives in it. Call this user share or something give it a password. The right click the folder you are sharing with everyone else and click secruity add the user share and give it full access. On your main machine open my computer click map network drive put in the ip address or host name or browse to the machine sharing the folder click the button that says use alternative login put the user name share and whatever password you gave hit hit ok it should mount it up as that user with full rights.

I just read this ... alright I want to map this out in my head.

Basically, on Windows, make a new user with password. Both the Admin and the new User should share the folders I want with either of them having the superiority of full control over whatever I share, which will grant me (on my main computer) full access to delete/move/whatever I want while the other user name will only have "read" capabilities. Is this correct?

[kitamesume]

^true for the most part.

theres another bonus though can't quantify if its a security risk, if you log another machine with the same user/pass that machine also gets full access rights.

you should make two user bases though, one is password protected with full access rights, and the other as guest with read-only right.


holy sheit, 4.4Ghz on stock cooler, now thats worth $75.

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/70977-intel-pentium-anniversary-edition-g3258/?page=3


http://www.anandtech.com/show/7874/haswelle-8-cores-x99-ddr4
haswell-Es will come with an 8core variant, how much would the cheapest cost?


http://www.techpowerup.com/201936/intel-desktop-cpu-roadmap-updated.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7875/new-unlocked-iris-pro-cpu-broadwell
ohhhh so that means the broadwell-K chips will get 128MB L4cache, sweet.
not to mention broadwell chips will be drastically more power efficient, and should be a lot cooler than haswell ships.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7318/intel-demos-14nm-broadwell-up-to-30-lower-power-than-haswell

[Tatsujin]

Found a different and easier way to do this. The options from above don't work. I tried everything, including making new users.

From the Library links on the shoulder link on the left side, I made a new library called it "Anime Collections" and I added the specific folders from both drivers. Shared it for "Everyone" as "Read" check marked and I had the main admin as read/write. So now I'm not completely sure if this will work yet since the computer outside is down at the moment and I don't feel like rebuilding the one in my closet. I want to see how other computers going to see the network and if they're able to write off on it.

At the moment, I'm going to retire three of my externals after I move files away onto my NAS.

The speed is insanely awesome, too. Responsive and nice to beef up. I purchased the Asus RT-N65U router which has really cool features and very easy to update. Maybe in the future I'll hook up an external driver with 3.0 USB connection to it.

[Gh0st93]

Intel Devil's Canyon: The Good, the Bad, the Ugly

So it seems 5GHz is amazingly improbable, But I guess a decent base clock isn't bad.......

[kitamesume]

Intel Devil's Canyon: The Good, the Bad, the Ugly

So it seems 5GHz is amazingly improbable, But I guess a decent base clock isn't bad.......

thats quite true, but coming from an older-gen processors, DC is clearly a better option than older haswell chips.
if you already have a haswell, or ivy chip though might as well skip it, the favor goes to broadwell's chip, whether intel does good on the die-shrink this time... well hopefully it isn't disappointing.

[Gh0st93]

Intel Devil's Canyon: The Good, the Bad, the Ugly

So it seems 5GHz is amazingly improbable, But I guess a decent base clock isn't bad.......

thats quite true, but coming from an older-gen processors, DC is clearly a better option than older haswell chips.
if you already have a haswell, or ivy chip though might as well skip it, the favor goes to broadwell's chip, whether intel does good on the die-shrink this time... well hopefully it isn't disappointing.

I agree this push for a constant die-shrink is great and all but I think the two biggest problems intel will have to tackle on broadwell is firstly going to be heat dissipation, and secondly the performance increase / power usage decrease combo. Because I have seen a pretty big jump of people commenting on the marginal increases in performance when it comes to intel chips. I guess it really started on Ivy bridge but it was mostly people that had the mind set that sandy bridge was the greatest thing since sliced bread. But I saw a lot more harsh comments by people when haswell came out and just massively underwhelmed and also had that bump in power usage on the top end.

And I get intel is amazing in the laptop market with these chips, But to be frank I think since AMD is just kind of called the high-end CPU market game quits it feels like intel is basically on cruise control. I mean it's like every new chip is just a marginal increase which is to be expected but it was what a 10% performance jump from sandy to ivy then like a 5% jump when it came to Haswell. Honestly I think people in the near future especially are going to have to start reigning in their expectations as if this trend continues the major updates for CPUs are going to be some kind of new obscure data connector or a rehashed chipset.... Oh wait...........

But in all seriousness if I needed a new serious computer anymore I have been thinking that the -E line of chips is going to be the way to go and I have thought about taking a real hard look at Ivy-E chips this holiday season since I have zero interest in Haswell-E at the moment so if someone has a sell on a nice 4930k with a decent motherboard I think if I have the cash at the time I might just pick one up and not really upgrade again for awhile. But all of this is really just some thoughts I have had as of late.

[kitamesume]

they have to make an overhaul in their chip's layout and the socket itself to counter-act the effects of the die-shrink.
one way to go about it is making the chips longer as this creates a larger contact area than a shorter rectangle.
same with the socket, that is to change the square socket in favor for a rectangular socket.

this as an example illustration:


the right-side is a full-die haswell sample.

as noted, the heat-spread area of the longer but narrow die is larger.
and then if you ran heat-pipes across it in this configuration you could fit more heatpipes.
while fewer heatpipes(less than 5) would benefit on contact thats parallel to the die.

as an added thing to this, is to implement a heatpump on the die-contact area when it is soldered
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_copper_pillar_bump
in this example its the chip-to-PCB contact where the heatpump acts, if they make it a chip-to-IHS as well then the overall heat dissipation rate will increase.


haswell-Es might be a better choice this time around, considering the part that an 8-core haswell-E might get placed in the $700 price-point.
if you compare it to the lesser 6-core ivy-E, its priced around $600.
further more, if they push out the 4-cores out from the E series then we could expect a $500 6-core haswell-Es on the bottom tiers which is great.

that means to say the price-point per-core will drop quite considerably, and DDR4 should come out supported by these chips which is a lot of potential.
in all likeliness though you're looking at no less than $2000 for a ridiculously powerful rig.

[Gh0st93]

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they have to make an overhaul in their chip's layout and the socket itself to counter-act the effects of the die-shrink.
one way to go about it is making the chips longer as this creates a larger contact area than a shorter rectangle.
same with the socket, that is to change the square socket in favor for a rectangular socket.

this as an example illustration:


the right-side is a full-die haswell sample.

as noted, the heat-spread area of the longer but narrow die is larger.
and then if you ran heat-pipes across it in this configuration you could fit more heatpipes.
while fewer heatpipes(less than 5) would benefit on contact thats parallel to the die.

as an added thing to this, is to implement a heatpump on the die-contact area when it is soldered
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_copper_pillar_bump
in this example its the chip-to-PCB contact where the heatpump acts, if they make it a chip-to-IHS as well then the overall heat dissipation rate will increase.

haswell-Es might be a better choice this time around, considering the part that an 8-core haswell-E might get placed in the $700 price-point.
if you compare it to the lesser 6-core ivy-E, its priced around $600.
further more, if they push out the 4-cores out from the E series then we could expect a $500 6-core haswell-Es on the bottom tiers which is great.

that means to say the price-point per-core will drop quite considerably, and DDR4 should come out supported by these chips which is a lot of potential.
in all likeliness though you're looking at no less than $2000 for a ridiculously powerful rig.

If I got an Ivy-E chip it would probably be on sale, But honestly all the new stuff is one of the reasons I have little interest in Haswell-E to start with yes there is a lot of potential with DDR4 ram but we won't see any of that in the first year and maybe even into the second year of its release into the wild. Honestly I expect the market DDR4 to be subpar to DDR3 in the beginning because iirc that tends to be the case with RAM. Besides and I know this sound backwards but I wouldn't want to jump in on a platform that is basically getting that massive of an overhaul because you are literally going in blind and can run into so many problems with everything.

So my thinking has been get the best I can from the current standards and in three or so years look at upgrading again when DDR4 should really be king of the hill in terms of both performance and cost, and storage and such have seen large jumps in performance, cost and etc. plus iirc should intel's roadmap hold true that should be around the time Skylake-E would come out and intel could really be on their game at such time. Also I have a feeling haswell's underwhelming performance increase over ivy bridge is going to also be carried over in Haswell-E Something else to think on is that might have something to do with the extra two cores in Haswell-E as to boost overall performance.

[kitamesume]

subpar in performance, yes thats quite likely, but you're forgetting two points in DDR4's advantages.
one is the higher dimm density at lower cost, which could lead to 2x16GB modules being cheaper than say 4x8GB DDR3 of the same speed.
the other one is the lower vDDQ and lower overall power consumption, this could also point to a much cooler dimms which is quite a good thing.

aside from ram though the only thing to look forward on haswell-E is the price-per-core, whether they'll boot the 4core bottom tier off the list will affect the price points.
for example, if they add a 6-core no-HT on the bottom tier as a $350 option, that'd slaughter a lot of other things on the same price-point.

$350 ~ 6-core no-HT
$500 ~ 6-core w/-HT
$650 ~ 8-core no-HT
$800 ~ 8-core w/-HT
$1000 ~ 8-core EX w/-HT

[Gh0st93]

subpar in performance, yes thats quite likely, but you're forgetting two points in DDR4's advantages.
one is the higher dimm density at lower cost, which could lead to 2x16GB modules being cheaper than say 4x8GB DDR3 of the same speed.
the other one is the lower vDDQ and lower overall power consumption, this could also point to a much cooler dimms which is quite a good thing.

aside from ram though the only thing to look forward on haswell-E is the price-per-core, whether they'll boot the 4core bottom tier off the list will affect the price points.
for example, if they add a 6-core no-HT on the bottom tier as a $350 option, that'd slaughter a lot of other things on the same price-point.

$350 ~ 6-core no-HT
$500 ~ 6-core w/-HT
$650 ~ 8-core no-HT
$800 ~ 8-core w/-HT
$1000 ~ 8-core EX w/-HT

Like I said DDR4 has a lot of benefits namely the increase capacity per stick, but as I said we probably won't see that right out of the gate and if it does happen then there will be a price premium and again it could suffer flaws. Also on the whole less power usage thing honestly that is truly great but I don't think that is some kind of headline big deal.... Also don't hold your breath on a $350 ~ 6 core unless it is some crazy 5GHz AMD rehash, As that would completely undermine the basic i7-k variants.

[kitamesume]

not quite, the i7 LGA1150's HT will compensate for the lack of 2cores, even at a similar price for the processor, the difference in platform price will cause the gap to widen.
which means that even if  the 6core no-HT Haswell-Es will perform a bit better than i7-LGA1150, the difference in overall price will stave buyers from it.

hyperthreading is a weird thing tbh, i mean if they had released an i3-K instead of pentium-K it'd cannibalize the entire locked i5 line 

edit: not to mention the difference isn't 100% more cores like the i3 vs i5, but rather its just 50% more cores since its 4cores w/ HT vs 6cores.
if we put it in thread count its 4C-8threads vs 6C-6threads, its quite likely that the i7-LGA1150 might even outperform said haswell-E.