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Gh0st93:
--- Quote from: kitamesume on June 13, 2014, 04:05:04 AM ---not quite, the i7 LGA1150's HT will compensate for the lack of 2cores, even at a similar price for the processor, the difference in platform price will cause the gap to widen.
which means that even if the performance of the 6core no-HT Haswell-Es will perform a bit better than i7-LGA1150, the difference in overall price will stave buyers from it.
hyperthreading is a weird thing tbh, i mean if they had released an i3-K instead of pentium-K it'd cannibalize the entire locked i5 line :-|
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It's not just performance it's also about business and intel likes having a gap between it's top tier quad-core ht i7 and their -E lines. Plus I see that confusing people as the buy the "$350 dollar one" and have a Haswell-E with the wrong motherboard or vice versa. Also as you just said the similar performance would stave people from buying it so economics and business wise it is not the best move. Because they if someone wants the extras of the -E line then intel is going to make them pay for it.
kitamesume:
that was what i had in mind, they should shoot for an identical performance piece, and making them pay for the premium(e.g. motherboard price) instead.
the 6-core no-HT haswell-E @ $350 would put it on the right place.
tbh the ivy-E 4core variants had me confused as to why they even bothered, although i do see some perks to it since it has a larger cache and a better platform.
i'm talking about ivy vs ivy-E.
Gh0st93:
--- Quote from: kitamesume on June 13, 2014, 04:15:33 AM ---that was what i had in mind, they should shoot for an identical performance piece, and making them pay for the premium instead.
the 6-core no-HT haswell-E @ $350 would put it on the right place.
tbh the ivy-E 4core variants had me confused as to why they even bothered, although i do see some perks to it since it has a larger cache and a better platform.
i'm talking about ivy vs ivy-E.
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I meant the premium as in the $500 current price because a lot of people have payed that for I know Ivy-E and Sandy-E and iirc the predecessor who's name escapes me... Gulftown maybe? I don't remember as I didn't run intel at that time.
Also on the 4 core ivy-E I think it was because of the slight bump in power but as you mentioned the extra cache and also the ability to run 64GB of ram as compared to the normal i7's 32GB.
kitamesume:
but that doesn't mean the fact that they can't get something better for just a slight bump in price, i mean adding $200 or so could get you a 6core ivy-E instead.
for the entire price, $200 of a $2000 rig is barely anything imho. which leads to a point of why even bother going ivy-E if you plan on going so little o.o
same could be said with a 6core no-HT haswell, but placing it on a price of $350 would make it worth a consideration, since 6 true cores does have perks over 4cores with HT.
placing it too high would stave off buyers even more, in which case they might as well get the one with HT instead, or rather consider going with the 8cores.
Gh0st93:
--- Quote from: kitamesume on June 13, 2014, 04:31:20 AM ---but that doesn't mean the fact that they can't get something better for just a slight bump in price, i mean adding $200 or so could get you a 6core ivy-E instead.
for the entire price, $200 of a $2000 rig is barely anything imho. which leads to a point of why even bother going ivy-E if you plan on going so little o.o
same could be said with a 6core no-HT haswell, but placing it on a price of $350 would make it worth a consideration, since 6 true cores does have perks over 4cores with HT.
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I figured a really good Ivy-E set up would be more in the $3000 area if you got a high end motherboard and really high end ram. Also I would agree the 6 true cores would probably have perks over the 4 core w/ HT.
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