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[Gh0st93]

not quite, the i7 LGA1150's HT will compensate for the lack of 2cores, even at a similar price for the processor, the difference in platform price will cause the gap to widen.
which means that even if the performance of the 6core no-HT Haswell-Es will perform a bit better than i7-LGA1150, the difference in overall price will stave buyers from it.

hyperthreading is a weird thing tbh, i mean if they had released an i3-K instead of pentium-K it'd cannibalize the entire locked i5 line 

It's not just performance it's also about business and intel likes having a gap between it's top tier quad-core ht i7 and their -E lines. Plus I see that confusing people as the buy the "$350 dollar one" and have a Haswell-E with the wrong motherboard or vice versa. Also as you just said the similar performance would stave people from buying it so economics and business wise it is not the best move. Because they if someone wants the extras of the -E line then intel is going to make them pay for it.

[kitamesume]

that was what i had in mind, they should shoot for an identical performance piece, and making them pay for the premium(e.g. motherboard price) instead.
the 6-core no-HT haswell-E @ $350 would put it on the right place.

tbh the ivy-E 4core variants had me confused as to why they even bothered, although i do see some perks to it since it has a larger cache and a better platform.
i'm talking about ivy vs ivy-E.

[Gh0st93]

that was what i had in mind, they should shoot for an identical performance piece, and making them pay for the premium instead.
the 6-core no-HT haswell-E @ $350 would put it on the right place.

tbh the ivy-E 4core variants had me confused as to why they even bothered, although i do see some perks to it since it has a larger cache and a better platform.
i'm talking about ivy vs ivy-E.

I meant the premium as in the $500 current price because a lot of people have payed that for I know Ivy-E and Sandy-E and iirc the predecessor who's name escapes me... Gulftown maybe? I don't remember as I didn't run intel at that time.

Also on the 4 core ivy-E I think it was because of the slight bump in power but as you mentioned the extra cache and also the ability to run 64GB of ram as compared to the normal i7's 32GB.

[kitamesume]

but that doesn't mean the fact that they can't get something better for just a slight bump in price, i mean adding $200 or so could get you a 6core ivy-E instead.
for the entire price, $200 of a $2000 rig is barely anything imho. which leads to a point of why even bother going ivy-E if you plan on going so little o.o

same could be said with a 6core no-HT haswell, but placing it on a price of $350 would make it worth a consideration, since 6 true cores does have perks over 4cores with HT.
placing it too high would stave off buyers even more, in which case they might as well get the one with HT instead, or rather consider going with the 8cores.

[Gh0st93]

but that doesn't mean the fact that they can't get something better for just a slight bump in price, i mean adding $200 or so could get you a 6core ivy-E instead.
for the entire price, $200 of a $2000 rig is barely anything imho. which leads to a point of why even bother going ivy-E if you plan on going so little o.o

same could be said with a 6core no-HT haswell, but placing it on a price of $350 would make it worth a consideration, since 6 true cores does have perks over 4cores with HT.

I figured a really good Ivy-E set up would be more in the $3000 area if you got a high end motherboard and really high end ram. Also I would agree the 6 true cores would probably have perks over the 4 core w/ HT.

[kitamesume]

$2000 is the minimal cost of the ivy-E rig, same with a $1000 minimal cost of going with i7-4770K.
$3000 for the ivy-E is about middle-high cost, i've seen people reach $5000 on a ridiculous ivy-E rig.

edit: ohh and i meant core components without the accessories.
e.g. cpu, mobo, ram, gpu, ssd, psu, case - excluding hdd

[Gh0st93]

$2000 is the minimal cost of the ivy-E rig, same with a $1000 minimal cost of going with i7-4770K.
$3000 for the ivy-E is about middle-high cost, i've seen people reach $5000 on a ridiculous ivy-E rig.

edit: ohh and i meant core components without the accessories.
e.g. cpu, mobo, ram, gpu, ssd, psu, case - excluding hdd

I would agree with that although in the stuff I have been looking at it seems like really nice monitor(s) tend to really rack up the price. And if I did do a higher end Ivy-E build personally I think I would really think about the ASUS pro art 27" 1440p line.

[kitamesume]

not quite the idea i had, i'd preffer DELL's 24" 4K and a 24" 120Hz 1920x1200 monitor

the 4K would be the primary screen but games would be played on the 1920x1200 monitor.

on a note:
$1000 cpu
$500 mobo
$600 8x8GB ddr3 2400mhz CL11
$2000 2xTitanBE
$150 128GB SSD
$350 512GB SSD
$250 1000W plat PSU
$150 case?
----------------------------
$5000 - subtotal

yeaaah it can get really expensive.

[Gh0st93]

not quite the idea i had, i'd preffer DELL's 24" 4K and a 24" 120Hz 1920x1200 monitor

the 4K would be the primary screen but games would be played on the 1920x1200 monitor.

Honestly 4K is another one of those things I kind of want to hold off on, until it gets to be more widely implemented. As there isn't all that much in content that can make full use of 4K and it is still rather graphics intensive to run. But again I think in a few years pretty much everything should be setup to make full use of 4K, and by then there should be some really great displays out there and the Graphics cards to run them.

[kitamesume]

^even if 4K wasn't mature enough the standard guidelines they're following with the middle-end screens are pretty good, 10bit panels alone should get it going.
if the manufacturer follows the color requirement you'd get no less than 75% adobe RGB on even the cheap lines, this is quite a feat and worth a consideration.

more info about the guidelines they're trying to follow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rec._2020

regardless of if you could make use of it in games though the best usage case for it right now is when you use it for browsing images and watching movies, the graphic load of 4K when upscaling with madvr's max quality is on the right fit for a mid~higher tier GPUs.

so in this case picking the best choice of 4K monitor with a reasonable price won't lose you out, you can just move that monitor as a TV monitor if you find a better desktop 4K monitor.
win-win for the most part, since TV feeds aren't exactly color/response/frame-rate sensitive.


speaking of cheap, half-decent 4K theres Asus yet again.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asus-pb287q-4k-monitor,3832.html

good god the price is just superbly low, sad to say that its on a TN panel, well at least its 60Hz unlike the other 4K 30Hz screens.


http://www.anandtech.com/show/8104/intel-ssd-dc-p3700-review-the-pcie-ssd-transition-begins-with-nvme
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8147/the-intel-ssd-dc-p3700-review-part-2-nvme-on-client-workloads

NVMe progress seems to be coming along nicely.

this makes me wonder though, why don't they go with a large cluster of 64Gbit or 32Gbit chips to make high capacity high speed drives instead of slapping in a few 128Gbit chips?
cost aside, the overall speed from getting more NAND chips for channel interleaving would boost overall throughput wouldn't it?


http://www.tomshardware.com/news/maglev-laptops-keyboards-darfon,27017.html


http://www.tomshardware.com/news/noctua-heatsinks-computex-2014,27044.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/noctua-fans-computex-2014,27043.html

NOCTUAAAAA



http://www.tomshardware.com/news/silverstone-td04-pumpless-liquid-cooling,27023.html
innovation trials at it's finest, looks like they're finally using the heatpipe concept.


more cooling
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/deepcool-maelstrom-water-cooling,27037.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/cryorig-h5-h7-cpu-cooler,27042.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/cryorig-r1-c1-h5-rims,27041.html


speaking of cryorig's hexagonal fin stacks, it should give more surface-area to cool in, then theres less air-drag since thats what honeycomb design do.

on another note, i wonder why they hadn't tried doing a flattened heatpipe design yet, the flattened heatpipe gives more space on one direction and spreads more heat as well.
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[Mistgun_Zero]

There isn't much content on 4K......yeah, that is true. But even still, the upscale on 4K TV's (at least) makes 1080p look freaking awesome. I am in Abu Dhabi right now, and every time I walk across a 4K TV display, ahhhnn, it's just awesome. The reason I am holding off on 4K is simply cause it's costly right now.

On another note, can anyone find out if HP KU 0316 is a mechanical keyboard (and what kinda keys it uses)? I have searched but didn't find a specific answer on that. And I am not going to remove a key to find out if it is (cause I don't have the stuff required to remove one without breaking it). I have been using this for a while and it does feel a lot better than the laptop's scissors keys (which I love cause it isn't tiring on my small and weak hands )

[kitamesume]

that asus 4K is atm the lowest priced 4K monitor at $650, unless i missed something.
its on my watch list if ever it comes locally, though i doubt i'd be able to buy one, i got CPU/mobo/ram as priority not to mention i need a cherrytrail tablet >,>


http://www.extremetech.com/computing/183720-intel-partners-with-samsung-to-halve-the-price-of-4k-monitors-but-its-useless-without-support-from-gpu-vendors-and-microsoft

First, let’s get one thing clear — you don’t want a 24-inch 4K panel. At 4x 1080p, screen elements at just 25% their original size. Text is illegible, screen elements can be difficult to click on. Microsoft’s own software packages tend to work and scale reasonably well, but that’s part of the problem — you’re going to find yourself reaching for the magnification tools to push back up to higher resolutions by default — and since software support for scaling is uneven, that means the overall experience is degraded compared to a single resolution with no scaling.

i question this writer's logic, considering that text in 5" 1080P is practically readable, not to mention 10" 2560x1600 screens are beautiful to look at.
these small screens have like 3x the pixel density than the 24" 4K screens, given the viewing distance its of comparable pixel-density at given distances.
e.g. 5" 1080P @ 1foot (scale it to 10" 2160P @ 1foot) [vs] 24" 2160P @ 4feet

android loaded in those devices do support high-ppi screens, and so does windows 8 though not as good in 4K.


http://www.extremetech.com/computing/183774-with-skylake-intel-wants-to-abolish-all-pc-cables-by-2015-what-a-terrible-idea


http://www.extremetech.com/computing/184323-intel-stuck-with-1-45-billion-fine-in-europe-for-unfair-and-damaging-practices-against-amd
ahahaha, keep at it, bring that giant monopoly down.


http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/184183-toshibas-new-mram-cache-could-reduce-cpu-power-consumption-by-60


http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/184165-hp-bets-it-all-on-the-machine-a-new-computer-architecture-based-on-memristors-and-silicon-photonics

[lololitas]

Actually despite intels bad business practices overall, I quite like the markets they're trying to venture into. E.g. I don't consider the intel ventures into the mobile segment failed yet, especially with the rockchip partnering. Good think they had to pay the fine though, I doubt it hurts them that much with their current market position.

Actually now that I think about it; imagine a soFIA driven mobile phone that has the same wireless tech as a Skylake processor. Wireless charging, wireless data transmission and wireless screen connection in a mobile SoC driven by an Atom (could potentially play 10 bit 1080p without problems  ). Add in to that those Toshiba Memristors and the intel in vehicle solutions and you have a perfect ecosystem.

The HP thing looks interesting bus it pretty much doomed to fail if they stray from x86. I don't see any enterprises move away from their current software stacks to something experimental with a high risk of failure and consequent loss of support for the platform.

[kitamesume]

they're trying an alternative imho, intel's server chips are getting more expensive.

while AMD chip pure CPU performance had continued to become slower and slower for some ridiculous reason.
why'd they even kept going with the APU wagon when it ended up crippling the CPU to retarded levels... not every app supports openCL and openGL.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g3258-overclocking-performance,3849.html
finally, a REAL review of the pentium G3258 OCed and stock.
its keeping up with the faster processors, but frame-jitter is quite higher though that should've been a given.


dug real deep in tom's (not-so)recent news and found this.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-essence-stx-ii,26307.html
didn't know they've revised their PCIe flagship.


http://www.tomshardware.com/news/fractal-design-core-x3-3300-2300-1300,26963.html
http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/fractal_design_core_x3_case_series.html
omg i just found my best case, WTB core 2300 so badly.

[Tatsujin]

man this is fucking amazing. I love NAS. I got me a CATe5 and replaced the older version and the bitrate is so much better. I've also fixed the monitor's colors and pre-selected color modes. Everything looks great. Now the family can watch movies or anime without problems.

Edit -- GTX 880 will have 3200 Cudas and will use up to 230 Watts. It comes with 4GB Video Memory, so right now I think they'll double that memory in few months time like how the latest GTX 780s Ti have 6GB. That's possible, right?

[kitamesume]

Edit -- GTX 880 will have 3200 Cudas and will use up to 230 Watts. It comes with 4GB Video Memory, so right now I think they'll double that memory in few months time like how the latest GTX 780s Ti have 6GB. That's possible, right?

no they'll be sticking with 4GB with their mainstreams, they'll be introducing a Titan successor though so expect those cards to have 6GB~8GB.

edit: on the other hand 4GB is the perfect size for 2560x1600 with a good amount of headroom, but a bit short from being perfect for 4K, 4K needs about 5GB vram.

[Mistgun_Zero]

Edit -- GTX 880 will have 3200 Cudas and will use up to 230 Watts. It comes with 4GB Video Memory, so right now I think they'll double that memory in few months time like how the latest GTX 780s Ti have 6GB. That's possible, right?

no they'll be sticking with 4GB with their mainstreams, they'll be introducing a Titan successor though so expect those cards to have 6GB~8GB.

Uhhh, the GTX 880 specs which you are mentioning is merely a rumor ne~~ Though there are hints the 800 series would be cheaper, which again is a super rumor.

[kitamesume]

its still the case of them sticking with 4GB since they see no point in going any higher, 4GB can run 4K though awkward like 1GB is to 1080P.

[Gh0st93]

its still the case of them sticking with 4GB since they see no point in going any higher, 4GB can run 4K though awkward like 1GB is to 1080P.

Like those 1.5GB cards they made >_>

Also I thought the 800 series was supposed to be cheaper and use less power.

[kitamesume]

the mid-tier cards would be cheaper, well at least in terms of price-to-performance, the two high-tiers would still take the $400~$600 spot.


http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/185007-intels-next-gen-xeon-phi-will-be-3x-faster-include-next-gen-hybrid-memory-cube-tech


http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/184828-intel-unveils-new-xeon-chip-with-integrated-fpga-touts-20x-performance-boost


http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/asus_adds_overclocking_for_h97h87b85_and_h81_series_motherboards.html
aw-hell-yeah, now i don't have to buy a Z97 board, this decision rocks.


http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/intel_haswell_e_released_in_september_core_i3_and_pentiums_20_july.html
still no price estimates, though that clearly points out with the 8core being $999.


http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/amd_apus_to_get_25x_more_efficient_by_2020.html
bold claim indeed.


http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/intel_braswell_%28atom%29_released_in_q1_2015.html
what? can't they stick to one name? formerly called cherrytrail and further down willowtrail, now they're switching to braswell?


http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/asus_pb279q_has_ultra_hd_4k_ahva_panel.html
oh my god asus, you santa?
but its 27" tho, too large.


http://www.guru3d.com/news_story/thecus_10gb_ethernet_pci_express_adapter.html
tatsu you need this, and get a 10gbit switch