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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1460 on: July 14, 2014, 08:58:11 PM »
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Petabyte Endurance test, Kitamesme. Though, I guess it is about a month old now.

Any of you guys heard of this Tango PC? It's a laptop that fits in your pocket (without the screen and other stuff we like about laptops). It's priced like a laptop, too. Well, they compare it more to a desktop. Here's their successful Kickstarter for more information. It should be able to play older and less intensive PC games with its iGPU especially at HD (~1280x720) resolutions.

Also, it seems like a Titan 2: Electric Boogaloo is in our future.

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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1461 on: July 14, 2014, 10:36:05 PM »
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Petabyte Endurance test, Kitamesme. Though, I guess it is about a month old now.
didn't see this one when i back read a month's worth of reports, so yeah.
and lol, i guess staying away from samsung 840 non-pro is a good idea.

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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1462 on: July 14, 2014, 11:00:46 PM »
So basically Corsair Neutron GTX is the king. The Samsung Pro is behind it. Well, that's not too bad. I THINK?!

I don't know. I don't use the EVO or Pro for anything really. I don't even think I've even hit 1TB on either.


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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1463 on: July 15, 2014, 03:41:36 AM »
it depends, they haven't gone through some other products like intel's 330, 530, 710 or 730 series, OCZ's, plextor's nor crucial's offerings.

in any case, a lot of reasonably good 240GB SSDs are priced at $120~$150 which is quite a lot more affordable than it was a few years ago.
can't wait for some SATAExpress SSDs rolling out, hopefully some performance 500GB models hits $180~$200 retail which would be quite pleasing.
and since budget models are rolling in at roughly the same $200/500GB price point, it wouldn't be far off for such to happen.

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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1464 on: July 15, 2014, 10:44:22 AM »
Any of you guys heard of this Tango PC? It's a laptop that fits in your pocket (without the screen and other stuff we like about laptops). It's priced like a laptop, too. Well, they compare it more to a desktop. Here's their successful Kickstarter for more information. It should be able to play older and less intensive PC games with its iGPU especially at HD (~1280x720) resolutions.
Sounds closer to the 'nettop' category than laptop-without-a-screen. (Think "desktop" version of netboks)

For that price, right now I'd rather have it be Atom-based and come with a much lower TDP. Something like this. Really interesting that they're going with Dockport though, considering

  • Dockport spec was only out in June this year.
  • They plan to ship in Nov this year, effectively only giving 5 months for ironing out manufacturing issues and testing with the spec
  • Linux does not officially have Dockport support yet, and I haven't heard of any Dockport drivers for Windows either. I wonder how they are doing their testing … or if they're testing with software/hardware combinations other than what's in their videos.

I don't like shitting on people’s parades, but if this is just an early-to-market version of a Dockport-enabled nettop that’s competing solely on specs, I don’t see much of a future to it, assuming it even delivers, on time. It’s a great idea—that VESA expects other manufacturers to pick up soon enough.

Just to be clear, I really do like the idea. I’ve gone from mATX to mini-ITX to Thin-ITX with each successive generation of upgrades. My next upgrade will probably be some thing with Dockport or some similar docking intention, but not something like this.

How could we compress a bulky PC to a cellphone size? We moved the bulky connectors, the bulky fan and the bulky heat sink into the docking port. {tl;dr we made the PC useless on its own; please buy our docking stations!}

^ This part I especially hate. If you look at the VESA Dockport spec, it basically allows power and data over a single cable. Tango transferred heat-dissipating capability from the main chassis/heatsink into the dock, essentially making it useless on its own, which isn't the point of Dockport—it's supposed to be a flexible power+data spec that enables devices to function on their own, or with expanded connectivity and power charging when docked.

With the need for dock-provided heat dissipation, the Tango basically requires users to buy the PC together with its proprietary docks. No thanks.
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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1465 on: July 15, 2014, 06:16:32 PM »
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Petabyte Endurance test, Kitamesme. Though, I guess it is about a month old now.

Interesting. I would to se Intel 730 series (cause they are said to be damn reliable) and Samsung EVO 850 (to see how those vertical NAND hold up)

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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1466 on: July 15, 2014, 08:36:42 PM »
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Petabyte Endurance test, Kitamesme. Though, I guess it is about a month old now.

Interesting. I would to se Intel 730 series (cause they are said to be damn reliable) and Samsung EVO 850 (to see how those vertical NAND hold up)
What's with the vertical NAND?


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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1467 on: July 15, 2014, 08:52:59 PM »
^It's the inevitable future. Read anandtech review on it. he explains what it is all about.

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« Reply #1468 on: July 15, 2014, 09:21:26 PM »
didn't see this one when i back read a month's worth of reports, so yeah.
and lol, i guess staying away from samsung 840 non-pro is a good idea.

I wouldn't discount the Samsung 840. Surviving up to 200TB without any significant errors (albeit in a more ideal environment) is pretty good for a consumer drive. Though, the little review does make trusting Samsung Magician a little hard.

So basically Corsair Neutron GTX is the king. The Samsung Pro is behind it. Well, that's not too bad. I THINK?!

I don't know. I don't use the EVO or Pro for anything really. I don't even think I've even hit 1TB on either.

Yeah. I was kind of surprised to see Corsair's Neutron GTX doing so well.

I am kind of surprised that it was the Samsung drive that shat itself and died out of nowhere instead of, well, any other drive in the test. I'd assume the drive wouldn't given ample warning before it failed.

it depends, they haven't gone through some other products like intel's 330, 530, 710 or 730 series, OCZ's, plextor's nor crucial's offerings.
Interesting. I would to se Intel 730 series (cause they are said to be damn reliable) and Samsung EVO 850 (to see how those vertical NAND hold up)

The testers didn't include some drives like the Crucial M500 because its SMART data doesn't include an attribute for total write written.

Still, after they kill the last three drives, I do plan to ask them to test some newer drives, especially the newer Samsung 850 Pro with its 3D V-NAND.

I do think that the Intel and Crucial do have an advantage up on Samsung in the reliability area. Intel and Crucial actually ship drives with power loss protection.

Anyway, beyond TechReport, there is Tweaktown's little experiment, this guy's endurance test for the 840 Pro, SSD Endurance Test which seems to be stopped unfortunately, and the thread that started the testing.



In case this wasn't posted earlier, Samsung is planning to release some TLC-based drive for enterprises. Well, rerelease an OEM model to the public. AnandTech's article here.



AMD seems to be gearing up to create a solution to Intel's Iris Pro iGPU. TechReport.



Any of you guys heard of this Tango PC? It's a laptop that fits in your pocket (without the screen and other stuff we like about laptops). It's priced like a laptop, too. Well, they compare it more to a desktop. Here's their successful Kickstarter for more information. It should be able to play older and less intensive PC games with its iGPU especially at HD (~1280x720) resolutions.
Sounds closer to the 'nettop' category than laptop-without-a-screen. (Think "desktop" version of netboks)

For that price, right now I'd rather have it be Atom-based and come with a much lower TDP. Something like this. Really interesting that they're going with Dockport though, considering

  • Dockport spec was only out in June this year.
  • They plan to ship in Nov this year, effectively only giving 5 months for ironing out manufacturing issues and testing with the spec
  • Linux does not officially have Dockport support yet, and I haven't heard of any Dockport drivers for Windows either. I wonder how they are doing their testing … or if they're testing with software/hardware combinations other than what's in their videos.

I don't like shitting on people’s parades, but if this is just an early-to-market version of a Dockport-enabled nettop that’s competing solely on specs, I don’t see much of a future to it, assuming it even delivers, on time. It’s a great idea—that VESA expects other manufacturers to pick up soon enough.

Just to be clear, I really do like the idea. I’ve gone from mATX to mini-ITX to Thin-ITX with each successive generation of upgrades. My next upgrade will probably be some thing with Dockport or some similar docking intention, but not something like this.

How could we compress a bulky PC to a cellphone size? We moved the bulky connectors, the bulky fan and the bulky heat sink into the docking port. {tl;dr we made the PC useless on its own; please buy our docking stations!}

^ This part I especially hate. If you look at the VESA Dockport spec, it basically allows power and data over a single cable. Tango transferred heat-dissipating capability from the main chassis/heatsink into the dock, essentially making it useless on its own, which isn't the point of Dockport—it's supposed to be a flexible power+data spec that enables devices to function on their own, or with expanded connectivity and power charging when docked.

With the need for dock-provided heat dissipation, the Tango basically requires users to buy the PC together with its proprietary docks. No thanks.

I guess I wasn't looking at it too hard because I sure thought it would be possible to use it without a dock. And I also way overestimated the APU in my initial post. Kind of lowers the functionality significantly. Guess we'll have to stick with NUCs and Eee Boxes nettops 'til CPU and iGPU technology advances further.
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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1469 on: July 17, 2014, 05:48:32 PM »
Also, it seems like a Titan 2: Electric Boogaloo is in our future.

It's interesting that they're calling it the Titan 2... I thought the Titan Black was effectively the Titan 2. Hm... weird.

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« Reply #1470 on: July 17, 2014, 08:15:38 PM »
Also, it seems like a Titan 2: Electric Boogaloo is in our future.

It's interesting that they're calling it the Titan 2... I thought the Titan Black was effectively the Titan 2. Hm... weird.

I thought of the Titan Black more as a Titan Ti rather than a Titan 2 myself.

NVIDIA will probably name it Titan 2, but of course, the name hasn't been officially stated yet.



ASUS's G-Sync monitor has been reviewed by TFT Central here. They seemed to have loved. I'm kind of sad that this review is less detailed than the preceding one.

Review from OC3D.

Neither =Dead= nor NCX has reviewed it yet, nor has the guys at Prad.de has their hands on it.

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« Reply #1471 on: July 17, 2014, 08:25:38 PM »
^ I can't wait to come back next year to all the new g-sync / freesync monitors. I really need one with at least one hdmi port so I can use my consoles on the same monitor, which sadly that asus one doesn't have. Hopefully in 2015 we can see some nice g-sync monitors with 4k and more than one displayport input.

On another note, with displayport officially supporting freesync in its latest revision, I'm kinda hoping freesync takes off and becomes equal to / better than gsync to allow more compatability with a tech that should've been done years ago.

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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1472 on: July 20, 2014, 01:27:25 PM »
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014071501_Pre-order_prices_of_Intel_Haswell-E_processors.html
ohh man, Haswell-E hexa-core's cheapest line starts at slightly over $400... its just so affordable(well going by sheer core count at least) if it weren't for the freaking motherboard prices.
and thats pre-order prices, i'm sure once microcenter and neweggs gets ample stocks of it the prices will drop to $350 or so.



http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-processors-launch-2h-2015-feature-ddr3-ddr4-memory-support-compatible-lga-1151-socket-z170-chipset/
further more info on skylake processors.



http://wccftech.com/nvidia-release-date-gtx-880-gtx-870-october-november/
november it is then.



http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-390x-specs-revealed-iceland-tonga-details/
dat name, AMD y u so awsum?



http://wccftech.com/windows-9-screen-shots-leak-directx-12-support-confirmed-combines-windows-7-881/
k, i'm sticking with 8.1
although its a fake, if its anywhere like it... dat start menu too hideous.
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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1473 on: July 20, 2014, 03:25:05 PM »
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/2014071501_Pre-order_prices_of_Intel_Haswell-E_processors.html
ohh man, Haswell-E hexa-core's cheapest line starts at slightly over $400... its just so affordable(well going by sheer core count at least) if it weren't for the freaking motherboard prices.
and thats pre-order prices, i'm sure once microcenter and neweggs gets ample stocks of it the prices will drop to $350 or so.



http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-processors-launch-2h-2015-feature-ddr3-ddr4-memory-support-compatible-lga-1151-socket-z170-chipset/
further more info on skylake processors.



http://wccftech.com/nvidia-release-date-gtx-880-gtx-870-october-november/
november it is then.



http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-390x-specs-revealed-iceland-tonga-details/
dat name, AMD y u so awsum?



http://wccftech.com/windows-9-screen-shots-leak-directx-12-support-confirmed-combines-windows-7-881/
k, i'm sticking with 8.1
although its a fake, if its anywhere like it... dat start menu too hideous.
Damn, not even better and more powerful than the 4900 version but also cheaper! I'm talking about their low-end i7 processor. It supports 6 cores 12 threads and DDR4.

Best choice is to wait until the prices go down.


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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1474 on: July 21, 2014, 08:42:53 PM »
AnandTech is reviewing 6TB harddrives.

Western Digital has their 6TB Red represented in the above review.

While this is happening, Seagate is working on an 8TB drive.

How long 'til 10TiB drives?



Swiftech is a new AIO liquid cooling kit. This one will probably be released in the United States, methinks.



I'd be fine with Windows 9 as long as you can customize it. Also, it'd be awfully generous of Microsoft to give Windows 7 users DirectX 12, but I suspect they are just scared of alienating their userbase even more. Though I like Windows 8 (sort of), the general dislike/hate of it makes it something of a failure. Still, this news probably means that DirectX 12 will be coming sooner than later.



Kingston is making a 1TB SSD. Looks like ~1TB drives will be part of everyone's SSD series soon.

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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1475 on: July 21, 2014, 10:25:58 PM »
^I saw the swiftech earlier and it looks pretty cool. How do they hold up to corsair/cooler master and other top AIO liquid kits.

I really doubt they are gonna give DX12 to anyone other than Win8.1+ users.

Ah, finally. Another year or two 2 TB SSD's will be out and finally a more reliable storage solution than HDD. (hopefully~~).

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« Reply #1476 on: July 21, 2014, 11:24:01 PM »
The cooler master glacier 240L is the same thing as the H220. Swiftech worked with cooler master to develop it specifically for the united states since their h220/320 line was banned from sale in the US due to patent issues. I personally have an h320 so I can say if the new one is similar then it will be very good.

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« Reply #1477 on: July 22, 2014, 03:47:45 AM »
Swiftech was bullied out of the US market by Asetek's (OEM for most AIO, IIRC) patent trolling. Swiftech ain't too large of a company, so they didn't try to defend themselves. Cooler Master was a bigger company (and released a copy of the H220 in collaboration with Swiftech), so Asetek didn't try to pull that shit.

Anyway, Swiftech's AIO cooling got a lot of good marks. Cooler Master version was slightly cheaper but still very functional.

Some reviews: AnandTech, Xbit Labs, HiTech Legion, and Martin's review going into a lot of detail. OC3D did find the cooler more disappointing.

In general, the Swiftech H220 was found to provide similar or better cooling while also being more quiet than its competitors at the same temps. You could do better with like the Kraken X60, but the noise would be noticeably higher. Besides that, the Swiftech H220 provided an option for expandability, so if you got an inch for overclocking (or just bought an 290X), you could use the Swiftech with a GPU waterblock.

I hope Asetek's patent trolling didn't discourage them from the US market completely. Since they removed the offending piece, this should be fine, and their "patent pending" statement have me hoping that means Asetek can't pull the same shit twice. I just hate it when large corporations use the court system as bludgeon against people smaller, less wealthy than them (see Oprah Winfrey v. Monsanto).

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« Reply #1478 on: July 22, 2014, 07:54:12 AM »
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^I saw the swiftech earlier and it looks pretty cool. How do they hold up to corsair/cooler master and other top AIO liquid kits.

I really doubt they are gonna give DX12 to anyone other than Win8.1+ users.

Ah, finally. Another year or two 2 TB SSD's will be out and finally a more reliable storage solution than HDD. (hopefully~~).
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I'm not sure what you're implying here. I think they've been "more reliable" for a while, considering that the SSD stress tests on even the TLC drives show them withstanding abuse that would take people 10-30 years worth of writing. Most HDD's are warrantied for 5 years at most.



Anyway I'm somewhat interested in the PG278Q, which looks to finally have some more info. Per an H member the pricing looks to be at about 1000$ AUS. Despite being a TN panel, it looks to have full 8 bit support. As in, no FRC bs, it's a full 8 bit panel. Viewing angles still suffer, but the TFTCentral review looks good. I wish they would go into more detail about everything else (namely how good its colors really are) , but it's an interesting choice if you have the money. 1440p is actually reasonable to drive even with today's technology (unlike 4k), and offers a huge step up from 1080p.

So if you don't mind being locked in to Nvidia cards, it's a decent option for a relatively futureproof gaming monitor. Of course, I somewhat do mind being locked into Nvidia. They've really pissed me off with their Shadowplay bullshit. They keep saying they're going to fix the SLI issues that have been plaguing Shadowplay for WELL OVER A YEAR NOW. Still have not fucking touched that shit. God dammit, it's pissing me off because I really liked the feature. Along with some driver issues, I'm pretty peeved with Nvidia. To be fair, AMD's counterpart to Shadowplay doesn't even work on crossfire at all... but at the same time why did Nvidia just decide to fucking break it and then not fix it. Ugh."
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« Reply #1479 on: July 22, 2014, 03:37:22 PM »
I think he was just referring to a reliable affordable solution for mass storage.

Personally I'd love to see SSD prices go way down and sizes on them to go way up. I mean even with the 1TB SSD that I have they could easily strap another on top of it and make it 2TB with how small it is. Hell, probably even 3 of them together, and then there's a lot of extra room on the front and sides anyways so they could easily bring it up to like 6TB within the size dimensions of HDD trays. The thing of it is... it'd just be completely unaffordable since 1TB is like $600.