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xShadow:
The fuck are we discussing here? I thought we were comparing large SSD vs 2+ smaller SSD's. If we're talking about HDD $/GB yeah no shit it beats SSD drives (I could go buy 12TB of HDD space for a 1TB SSD drive...). That's why most of my gaming build suggestions include one small SSD and one big HDD: it's the most economical given budget constraints. But we're talking about advantages of large SSD's to multiple little SSD's is what I thought...
As for SSD cache, I won't comment. I haven't done any program startup and loading time comparisons between things installed on my SSD and on my HDD. The point is that if you get a large SSD you don't have to worry about it (things will start up and load as fast as possible), and you won't be hurting for space in the future. Any time you need to move things off of it, it's not like you're scrambling to make space and desperately trying to find things that you can get off of it. You can do it calmly because you have so much leeway. When you're at 960GB, even if you have multiple Titanfalls installed, you can spare to move one off at no convenience cost to yourself.
My main point is that when you can afford to spend for a larger drive, you should. $/GB and convenience is better for large SSD's vs small SSD's. As it is for HDD's....
Edit:Furthermore note that you're gonna end up with shit on C whether you like it or not. And you have to actively manage and clean it off on smaller drives. Depending on how much you make, it may not be worth your time to have to do that shit as opposed to just getting a large drive and not worrying about it, or worrying about it much less often (which is the conclusion I came to...).
kitamesume:
not quite, even if you have shit-tons of $$$ its far more effective to invest on other things. 64GB of ram, RAID10 HDD arrays with SSD and ram caches, faster processors so that software raid isn't crap or maybe a genuine raid-card for the giggles of it.
the last thing you'd wanna spend stuff on is dumping $600 for a 1TB~2TB SSD. well maybe not the last, more like 3rd or 4th last thing since accessories like some really expensive speakers or maybe some ridiculously expensive keyboard/mouse that i doubt you'd even have the benefit of using it fully are at the bottom of the priority list.
--- Quote from: xShadow on July 25, 2014, 10:58:59 AM ---The fuck are we discussing here? I thought we were comparing large SSD vs 2+ smaller SSD's. If we're talking about HDD $/GB yeah no shit it beats SSD drives (I could go buy 12TB of HDD space for a 1TB SSD drive...).
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what?
--- Quote from: kitamesume on July 24, 2014, 03:46:29 AM ---tbh i don't think SSDs would ever compete against HDDs in terms of cost efficiency, i'd rather do RAID1 with two 4TB HDDs with a small 64GB~128GB SSD cache, pretty sure the overall cost would be essentially the same as a 2TB SSD.
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--- Quote from: kitamesume on July 25, 2014, 08:11:52 AM ---i was saying that an HDD with an SSD cache would consume much more than a single large SSD.
this isn't accounting RAID setups yet, 2HDD RAID1 + SSD cache would consume dramatically more than a single large SSD for example.
on the other hand SSDs could "park" faster where their idle states are in the milliwatt range, though i doubt thats the correct term to use.
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xShadow:
--- Quote from: kitamesume on July 25, 2014, 08:11:52 AM ---anyway as i've mentioned before, the only advantages of going with a large SSD is pretty much these:
notes: sorted by what i think as most useful advantage.
* simplicity in setting up (single drive or 2SSD RAID1)
* compactness or space efficiency
* very fast drives
* lower power consumption
in any case the only down side to it is, well, sheer cost.
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Probably missed the RAID1 part I thought you were saying 2 SSD's in general.
kitamesume:
yeah, well its an option, since i was comparing it against an 2HDD RAID1 it wasn't a fair one, so its either a single SSD or 2SSD RAID1 and its still as simple as it can get, slap two SSDs set it up during installation and you're good to go.
xShadow:
I just noticed how you edited this.
--- Quote from: kitamesume on July 25, 2014, 11:16:34 AM ---not quite, even if you have shit-tons of $$$ its far more effective to invest on other things. 64GB of ram, RAID10 HDD arrays with SSD and ram caches, faster processors so that software raid isn't crap or maybe a genuine raid-card for the giggles of it.
the last thing you'd wanna spend stuff on is dumping $600 for a 1TB~2TB SSD. well maybe not the last, more like 3rd or 4th last thing since accessories like some really expensive speakers or maybe some ridiculously expensive keyboard/mouse that i doubt you'd even have the benefit of using it fully are at the bottom of the priority list.
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Whoa buddy hold the phone. Expensive speakers are not a fucking waste, especially for a gaming computer. Gaming is not just a visual experience. Even if you don't listen to music while gaming, you won't understand its soundtrack with two pieces of shit on either side of your monitor. They should NOT be at the bottom of the list. People just don't fucking understand how big a difference having a good audio setup makes. That being said you don't have to get super expensive speakers or amp to realize it. My initial speaker setup cost ~130-150 total thanks to Ebay. And it's far from the bottom of the list. If I built even a budget computer back in college knowing then what I do now, it would have been priority number 1 or 2... well granted I would have went for better earphones because it's in dorms. Tied between graphics card. Number 3 is processor.
As for SSD's, I wouldn't put them that low, again, notice my note:
--- Quote from: xShadow on July 25, 2014, 10:58:59 AM ---Edit:Furthermore note that you're gonna end up with shit on C whether you like it or not. And you have to actively manage and clean it off on smaller drives. Depending on how much you make, it may not be worth your time to have to do that shit as opposed to just getting a large drive and not worrying about it, or worrying about it much less often (which is the conclusion I came to...).
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I guess it's not for people that are living paycheck to paycheck or worrying about their CPU/GPU being sufficient for this or that, but the conveniences of having a large SSD are pretty real. The reason I say to get the biggest one you can afford while keeping the rest of your parts up to snuff is because it's like an investment. You get one that good now, you don't have to mess with it for a long time. This is true for HDD's as well.
The thing is, I notice people skimp out on things that make their gaming experience more convenient for more power. That's not always optimal, actually. There are some quality of life improvements you can make to builds...
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