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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1500 on: July 25, 2014, 11:08:08 PM »
@honemi
omg to much to point out.


often times larger ram would be practical in some sense, from one point of view a larger ram could cache far more things and fetch less from SSD/HDD.
this might also be one of the cause of some stutters in some games.
as i've said 32GB is a good measure, and 16GB is pretty much enough too.
ram latency does make some difference on some occasion, imho your ram is being accessed for multiple purposes ranging from VRAM fetch to file caching, having a fast ram would minimize queue overflow.

thats the point of making the core system the priority, they get obsolete fast, if you went with a slower system you'd have less years before you start swapping things.
unlike those parts that'd last years like the speakers, you could put those off for years and the ones you had been eyeing for so long would still be relevant, hopefully cheaper by then.

i had it in my head that you'd need something beefy to push 120FPS on a 120Hz screen but that was just an example.

RAID5's relevancy is preventing single-drive failure, since 6TB drives haven't been out for long it's reliability isn't established yet.
hell a single 6TB drive would make do and isn't really what you'd call small.



the build was purposefully exaggerated to match what you'd exaggerate on a $1000 bookshelf speakers(note no amps, no cables, no nothing), though its highly unbalanced.
*there are $150 speakers from klipsch or polks then add in a $50 good amp, even some of swan's great speakers could be had for $200 as a complete package.
on a note to that i'd prioritize headphones over speakers since i'm on an apartment.



@xShadow
well as you've noted, i only got like 10% of your budget :D

and thats exactly why i went with an i3-2100 back then, it was plenty for games from... how many years had it been? 3?
and then i went with other priorities, since i had a lower budget point, things like SSDs and a good PSU would eat up most of my budget.
imho though even if i had like $4000 i sure have a lot more other stuffs that i could get up to stuff before i'd start going with expensive speakers/mice/keyboard/etc.
i mean i could always put those off for a few more months, though it had been years since i last upgraded, now i got a windows tablet as a priority due to work...

and yes i've experienced some parts of it before i went with it, weighting the budget before hand.
i've gone to some audio shops for example and they had sample speakers, headphones and what not, its where i got my superlux HD668B.
i mean, i've weighted an HD668B against a Shure SRH840 and deemed the $100 difference not worth it, well at that time that is, i would've gotten the shure otherwise.
the same goes with speakers, they had a few sony, klipsch and polk bookshelfs and some others, sadly i prioritized headphones first.
anyway i already got a swan M10. wait, before you say its a stupid choice... well yeah i find it horrendous too, but i got it for $20!
then theres that issue with noise, i've always been sensitive to sound, so from the begging i'd been through fans and such that were quiet.
even as far as removing the fans due to annoyance but that was stupid of me, i went with cougar fans due to their pricing and they were pretty quiet.



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http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611%20600521523&IsNodeId=1&name=288-Pin%20DDR4%20SDRAM
lol that price, seems like DDR4 will start at double the price of DDR3, ohh but they're ECC & registered ram.
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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1501 on: July 27, 2014, 08:31:13 AM »
Eh. The price will probably come down once the market for this stuff has grown, and I guess ECC carries a small premium on it. But looking at those prices, I don't think I will be an early adopter.

Also, it seems like the GTX 880 and other Maxwell graphic cards will still be stuck at the current processing node size. The GTX 880 probably won't be too large of an upgrade to the GTX 780 Ti.

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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1502 on: July 27, 2014, 09:34:28 AM »
ECC doesn't carry much premium, its the "registered" feature that makes it pretty costly.
and if i remember correctly it'll only take half a year for the DDR4 to hit DDR3's current price.
and by 2016 it'd be cheaper than DDR3 although one point to that is because DDR3 will start becoming expensive like DDR2 did.

in any case though if you've seen DDR4's features you'd be anticipating actual benchmark results, although the CAS latency is quite high at the moment but it should settle down by next year.



http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/micron-monolithic-8-gb-ddr3-sdram.html
well DDR3 isn't dying just yet though, i hope they'd just bring the prices back to 2012 pricing, i hate the current 3x pricing...



http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-skylake-s-platform-specs-z170-100-series-chipset-by-2h-2015.html
hmmm Q2-2015, quite a bit far from now so i got enough time to save up.



http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/seagate-is-sampling-8tb-hdds,2.html
if it wasn't seagate i'd be amused by that announcement, i just don't like seagate after most of the drives i owned from them died...



www.extremetech.com/computing/185888-vias-new-isaiah-x86arm-hybrid-cpu-outperforms-intel-in-benchmarks-but-will-it-ever-come-to-market
finally someone actually did a hybrid of both.



http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/the-pc-market-is-stabilizing.html



http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/lg-shows-off-flexible-18-inch-oled-screen.html



http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/tt-esports-adds-metalcaps-keyboard-accessory.html
ok, now thats just not practical.
and note, its just zinc plating and not a full alloy keys.
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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1503 on: July 29, 2014, 01:49:18 AM »
Small PCs. Super small ... i3s, i5s, and i7s. No idea how good the gaming scores are. Can you at least play D3 on highest settings with those?


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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1504 on: July 29, 2014, 03:45:08 AM »
Small PCs. Super small ... i3s, i5s, and i7s. No idea how good the gaming scores are. Can you at least play D3 on highest settings with those?
highest settings might not, but 1920x1080 at medium is doable.

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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1505 on: July 29, 2014, 11:32:31 AM »
Small PCs. Super small ... i3s, i5s, and i7s. No idea how good the gaming scores are. Can you at least play D3 on highest settings with those?
The Intel NUC kits are using U-series Core processors, with TDP of about 17W (think ultrabook-class). So probably no.

The Gigabyte Brix Pro on page 3 is another thing altogether though. That one’s using an i7-4770R (think i7-4770 @ 65W, with Iris Pro graphics. Non-socketed though, so you can't buy it off-the-shelf). Anandtech mini-reviewed it sometime back with some benchies and thermals, even giving it a second look for gaming benchmarks.

For a more in-depth look at how the Iris Pro differs from typical Intel HD graphics, you might want to read this Anandtech article on the i7-4950HQ, a 47W i7 mobile processor with Iris Pro graphics.

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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1506 on: July 29, 2014, 09:30:31 PM »
Tech Report did a little thing Gigabyte's gaming version. It's slightly bigger than the Brix Pro but suffers thermal throttling.

If you're interest in NUCs, you should check out TechPowerUp's NUC chassis reviews. A lot of those fanless chassis outdoes Intel's.



TechReport, PCPer, and AnandTech all did reviews of the NVIDIA SHIELD Tablet and the SHIELD controller.



TR did a little report on Mullins awhile back. It is a fairly competent APU, but it is still sips more power than the Bay Trail Atom processors at a ~3W TDP versus 2W SDP.


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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1507 on: July 29, 2014, 10:42:32 PM »
i would be interested in NUCs if only they made it as cheap as those from android's TV boxes (less than $100).
even their atom variants was still over $200.

on another note on that, they're all barebones at that, they could've at least offered an option with a 32GB boot space and soldered rams.
but this'll worsen the price, i'd bet it'd be more expensive than a windows tablet with baytrail in it ($300~$400).



how does mullins' cpu performance compare against baytrail though? it would be useless if their 4core variants is barely capable of matching a 2core baytrail.
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« Reply #1508 on: July 30, 2014, 06:51:54 PM »
I guess the real appeal of the NUC is that you can get Ultrabook grade processors in an UCFF class device. If Intel's iGPU were (much) better, the NUCs could be decent Steam Machines for 720p gaming. Still, lots of people find the smallness attractive in a device, but don't want to be stuck with a VIA processor or want build their own pico-ITX computer.



I misread the article. Mullins has a SDP of ~3W and a TDP of 4.5W. I don't think Intel specified the TDP of their Silvermont Atoms.

Anyway, the article does present a few test results between the A10 Micro-6700T (top Bullins chip) and the Z3740 (Bay Trails-T, Slowest Quad-Core). For the most part, AMD offers the faster CPU, and as usual, A10 Micro-6700T's iGPU trounces Z3740's. Still not good enough to offer a playable experience at 720p on even the lowest settings. It's all their in the article. Unfortunately, the Tech Report guys didn't have the chance to test battery life or put it through more extensive benches; it was just a generic tablet that AMD was showing off.

As long as the battery life isn't bad, this could be a nice little short-term win for AMD. However, it seems tablets have reached their saturation point and is falling, or at least they have according to the CEO of Best Buy.



AMD has released the developer's kit of their ARM server processor.



Anandtech reviews the Intel SSD 2500 Pro. It is just the 530 with hardware encryption and vPro support. Well, it is also notable for being Intel's first SSD to feature NAND from SK Hynix.



Logitech releases another mouse in their Gx02 line. This time it is their G402 Hyperion Fury. Review here.

This is after their G502 Proteus Core which, by all indication, is a good mouse if it fits your hands. That came with a new sensor that certainly reviewed well.

The G602 has been out for a minute. It's the wireless mouse that can last for a few months on a pair of AA batteries.

Man, I really want to like this new line of mice, but they all so ugly.



Haswell-E is soldered onto the IHS instead of glued on with thermal adhesive. That'd be helpful for overclockers.



Last and least, Microsoft have released Shark Cove, a mini pc in a similar vein to Raspberry Pi. It costs $299, so I don't see this taking off.

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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1509 on: July 30, 2014, 10:52:41 PM »
^There's no point to those mice, not enough buttons. The G600 is way better.

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« Reply #1510 on: July 30, 2014, 11:00:49 PM »
I guess the real appeal of the NUC is that you can get Ultrabook grade processors in an UCFF class device. If Intel's iGPU were (much) better, the NUCs could be decent Steam Machines for 720p gaming. Still, lots of people find the smallness attractive in a device, but don't want to be stuck with a VIA processor or want build their own pico-ITX computer.



I misread the article. Mullins has a SDP of ~3W and a TDP of 4.5W. I don't think Intel specified the TDP of their Silvermont Atoms.

Anyway, the article does present a few test results between the A10 Micro-6700T (top Bullins chip) and the Z3740 (Bay Trails-T, Slowest Quad-Core). For the most part, AMD offers the faster CPU, and as usual, A10 Micro-6700T's iGPU trounces Z3740's. Still not good enough to offer a playable experience at 720p on even the lowest settings. It's all their in the article. Unfortunately, the Tech Report guys didn't have the chance to test battery life or put it through more extensive benches; it was just a generic tablet that AMD was showing off.

As long as the battery life isn't bad, this could be a nice little short-term win for AMD. However, it seems tablets have reached their saturation point and is falling, or at least they have according to the CEO of Best Buy.



AMD has released the developer's kit of their ARM server processor.



Anandtech reviews the Intel SSD 2500 Pro. It is just the 530 with hardware encryption and vPro support. Well, it is also notable for being Intel's first SSD to feature NAND from SK Hynix.



Logitech releases another mouse in their Gx02 line. This time it is their G402 Hyperion Fury. Review here.

This is after their G502 Proteus Core which, by all indication, is a good mouse if it fits your hands. That came with a new sensor that certainly reviewed well.

The G602 has been out for a minute. It's the wireless mouse that can last for a few months on a pair of AA batteries.

Man, I really want to like this new line of mice, but they all so ugly.



Haswell-E is soldered onto the IHS instead of glued on with thermal adhesive. That'd be helpful for overclockers.



Last and least, Microsoft have released Shark Cove, a mini pc in a similar vein to Raspberry Pi. It costs $299, so I don't see this taking off.
G600 is much better. Still no dust or finger prints - at all. Never cleaned it. No dust around the edges or inside the buttons (buttons are tucked together anyways). Buttons never got stuck. Buttons never wore off. Feels like first day I had it. Beautiful colors, nice weight, lots of buttons and extremely accurate sensitivity.


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« Reply #1511 on: July 31, 2014, 12:02:56 AM »
One thing that's nice about the G602 is it looks like it's optical as well as wireless.. While playing BL2 and other FPS's I think I've noticed my G600 kinda being wonky sometimes... or I don't know, it just kind of feels like... something is off. These days I also don't play many MMORPG's. And honestly, I've kind of been waiting for a really competent wireless gaming mouse as I can feel the resistance from the cord (I game on very low DPI, so feeling the damn cord scrape against shit is annoying), so it looks tempting.

Hell I mean it's only 50 bucks on Amazon, I think I might try it out... though considering the first review on it is from November 2013 I don't understand how it's only been out "for a minute".

On the other hand those buttons look awfully close together and I kind of dislike mice with buttons that are right beside the clicker. The other thing that worries me is some people mentioning longevity of the construction.

Still, tempting.

Also, M550 1tb is currently 400$ on Amazon. Great price.

Edit: Fuck, I was faster with my wallet than it took to actually think this thing through. Here comes the G602, with 2 day free shipping.
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« Reply #1512 on: July 31, 2014, 02:37:48 AM »
^^ "Out for a minute" = "Been out for a while" It was colloquial expression. My bad.

When the G602 came out, I didn't think Logitech was replacing the Gx00s series, but they are. And from the looks of it, the Gx02 series are supposed to map to their Gx00(s) counterpart. I guess we'll see if they come out with another MMO mouse under a different number. It'd be odd if they don't since even Roccat has their Tyon.



One more story from me today. AMD has released a FAQ for FreeSync. It looks like we can be expecting the first FreeSync monitors nearer Christmas time. Unfortunately, the full feature set only works with GCN 1.1+ graphics cards, and only AMD's Radeon HD 7000 and up cards even partially support FreeSync.

SweClockers has an interview(ish) with a member of AMD.

I'm skeptical that NVIDIA or even Intel will adopt FreeSync in the near future.

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« Reply #1513 on: July 31, 2014, 09:20:25 AM »
I guess the real appeal of the NUC is that you can get Ultrabook grade processors in an UCFF class device. If Intel's iGPU were (much) better, the NUCs could be decent Steam Machines for 720p gaming. Still, lots of people find the smallness attractive in a device, but don't want to be stuck with a VIA processor or want build their own pico-ITX computer.



I misread the article. Mullins has a SDP of ~3W and a TDP of 4.5W. I don't think Intel specified the TDP of their Silvermont Atoms.

Anyway, the article does present a few test results between the A10 Micro-6700T (top Bullins chip) and the Z3740 (Bay Trails-T, Slowest Quad-Core). For the most part, AMD offers the faster CPU, and as usual, A10 Micro-6700T's iGPU trounces Z3740's. Still not good enough to offer a playable experience at 720p on even the lowest settings. It's all their in the article. Unfortunately, the Tech Report guys didn't have the chance to test battery life or put it through more extensive benches; it was just a generic tablet that AMD was showing off.

As long as the battery life isn't bad, this could be a nice little short-term win for AMD. However, it seems tablets have reached their saturation point and is falling, or at least they have according to the CEO of Best Buy.

NUCs still far too expensive, its better to buy a compact laptop and use it as a dock-in unit.



intel didn't put TDP for tablet socs because it wouldn't work well with marketing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvermont
you can extrapolate it with the mobile versions though, which puts the 4C at 6W TDP, and 2C at 4W TDP.
or basically roughly 1W per core and 2W for GPU.

TDP still have little use for measuring power draw though, its not exactly power draw but average or ideal heat dissipation in watts.
thats why its "thermal design power".

have you seen this yet though?
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-Beema-and-Mullins-Mainstream-and-LowPower-2014-APUs-Tested/?page=1

with this intel has a direct competitor.
i hope intel at least bumps CPU frequency to 2.4Ghz/3Ghz-turbo along with 16EU of 8th gen IGP on next-gen atom.
but the heat and wattage...
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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1514 on: July 31, 2014, 09:39:38 AM »
Edit: Fuck, I was faster with my wallet than it took to actually think this thing through. Here comes the G602, with 2 day free shipping.

let us know what you think of it. And how is for MMORPG and RPG's with the programmable buttons and it's wireless performance (especially in FPS since that is where lag is really noticeable.)

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« Reply #1515 on: July 31, 2014, 06:24:25 PM »

NUCs still far too expensive, its better to buy a compact laptop and use it as a dock-in unit.



intel didn't put TDP for tablet socs because it wouldn't work well with marketing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvermont
you can extrapolate it with the mobile versions though, which puts the 4C at 6W TDP, and 2C at 4W TDP.
or basically roughly 1W per core and 2W for GPU.

TDP still have little use for measuring power draw though, its not exactly power draw but average or ideal heat dissipation in watts.
thats why its "thermal design power".

have you seen this yet though?
http://hothardware.com/Reviews/AMD-Beema-and-Mullins-Mainstream-and-LowPower-2014-APUs-Tested/?page=1

with this intel has a direct competitor.
i hope intel at least bumps CPU frequency to 2.4Ghz/3Ghz-turbo along with 16EU of 8th gen IGP on next-gen atom.
but the heat and wattage...

I'll concede that NUCs and other UCFF PCs appeals to a incredibly niche market.



Now, that does look good. It's shaping up to outdo Intel in the x86 Tablet/Convertible market. Depending on its price, it could also possibly serve in x86 chromebook and low-end Ultrabook/Thinbook territory. Do you think Beema will be able to match Haswell in low-end notebook and Ultrabook/Thinbook territories?

I wonder if AMD is ever going to take a stab at the Smartphone market.



Well, something else to chew on is AMD's A10-7800. It has a couple of reviews out today, and a couple are Guru3D and Tech Spot.

I've finally released the market for AMD's desktop APUs. They're for people just need a competent computer that can game well on the side. If gaming is the focus of the build, a Pentium or i3 and a graphics card are a much better value for the money, and if you don't need any gaming capability, a Celeron, Pentium, or i3 will still serve you better.

I'm sure AMD was hoping that their APU could at least keep up with the Pentium in games (when paired with a dGPU). They were probably aiming for this to be a nice low-end CPU that could compete with even the i3 line when paired with a cheap or mid-tier graphics card. That's unfortunately not the case. Maybe Carizzo will do better in that regard. Maybe if that does well enough, AMD will enter the mainstream CPU market again.

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« Reply #1516 on: July 31, 2014, 10:54:25 PM »
for Beema's CPU price it might, if they price it at less than $30 per chip then they could effectively compete straight against haswell ultra-portables, technically Beema would be 1/2 slower but 10x cheaper.



i need a windows tablet that can game reasonably imho and with a tight budget of $300 i doubt theres much in the market at the moment.
Beema or Cherrytrail might change that though.

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« Reply #1517 on: August 01, 2014, 01:04:02 AM »

edit2: ohh look, speaking of archive drives.
http://www.cnet.com/news/western-digital-ships-6tb-wd-red-nas-hard-drive-and-all-new-wd-red-pro-lineup/

I´ll just give a shout about the WD Red drives, they may be called archive or NAS drives or whatever, but they´re the best HDD i´ve used in any of my computers so far.   Quiet and fast, so far not even a hint of any problems from them(and i haven´t even heard of anyone getting problems with them, at all).
And surprisingly, my 2 Reds are actually faster than my ST 7200.11 and 7200.12 drives far too often.



And with all the talk of HDD vs SSD, i thought i would add another option just in case it hasn´t been mentioned:
http://www.sandisk.com/products/ssd/sata/readycache/
Everyone i know that has tried it so far have been almost lyrical in their praise(halved boot times etc), and it´s not expensive and seems to be an easy install, so if you´re looking to speed things up but don´t want to reinstall and don´t already have a SSD as boot drive, this is an option.

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« Reply #1518 on: August 01, 2014, 01:08:01 AM »
Edit: Fuck, I was faster with my wallet than it took to actually think this thing through. Here comes the G602, with 2 day free shipping.

let us know what you think of it. And how is for MMORPG and RPG's with the programmable buttons and it's wireless performance (especially in FPS since that is where lag is really noticeable.)

Well it actually arrived today, while I was at work. They fucking did a lasership on that shit. Maybe on second though I will renew my prime subscription...

Anyway some impressions (long ones since I type fast):

- I haven't gotten around to playing games with it but so far the wireless is extremely responsive. Rather, I hope it would be because I put the damn receiver right in front of it. But no seriously, I don't see any jumpiness or anything of the sort. Cursor is quite stable, even in performance mode. I saw some people bitching about the "low" polling rate of 500Hz, but currently I can't see where that gripe is coming from. Especially since (as some people noted) some of what people consider the best gaming mice actually have like <=125Hz polling rates. The optical sensor seems to indeed be better than my laser... although something still felt slightly off, and this is where I will note that I didn't realize I had been running my laser mouse (which already has acceleration) with acceleration on in the windows options... That's going off today. >_>

- The distance is actually also pretty good, which is surprising considering the tiny receiver. I can go sit down on my recliner some 10 or so feet away and it still picks up just fine. Which means I don't need to use this tiny laptop wireless mouse any longer when watching anime on my TV. I can just pick up this mouse and walk over there.

- The mouse is pretty comfortable, but it is a little sweatier than the G600. Probably on account of the finish not being quite the same. The side buttons are plastic, no matte covering. The clickers are a less coarse matte compared to the G600, but the lower ring is actually more coarse matte. It's a strange combination. The rubber part is imo uncalled for as it makes the palm part a bit sweater. Still, overall pretty comfortable. I just kind of miss the third clicker that I could rest my other finger on (which I hardly ever used....)

- The button placement and sizing is actually surprisingly very spot on. You won't be hitting the buttons beside the left clicker by accident, and you can also remap them to something else besides DPI changing, so that essentially gives you 8 programmable keys to work with, which is pretty much perfect. They're also easier to hit than the two buttons on top of the G600 (which are nigh useless for anything but quick save and quick load...).

-- What they've done with the 12 buttons that are normally on the G600 is actually surprisingly very spot on. I realized I hardly ever used anything besides the first 6 (or commonly, 4 keys when surfing Konachan/etc and wanting a Downthemall button), and this hit the nail on the head in terms of that design choice. It's pretty much impossible to get keys mixed up on this thing. You'll know exactly what you're hitting. 2 rows of 3 keys is pretty much perfect for differentiation, and if you practice you could probably get to the point where you could literally just rest your thumb on these keys and hit them flawlessly, in fact I just did it with little effort right after getting this thing. The two at the back seem like they would be hard to hit but in actuality that's where your thumb joint is, and I could easily differentiate between them. There's really no confusion. They just out to a fine point and the separation is very large, and they take just enough actuation.  Though I want to note, the point is perhaps a little too fine. They might wear on the skin at your thumb, so perhaps a small glove or something on your thumb might help if you have soft skin.

- It's easy to switch between performance/endurance modes. It's a nice switch on the top that you're not gonna hit on accident any time soon (there's too much actuation force required to do so anyway...).

- I think it's a bit heavier than the G600 thanks to the battery. Personally I don't care because the difference is pretty small to me, but take it as you will.

Things that I think could be improved upon:
- They really should have just kept the matte from the G600... the rubber is kind of nice, but also kind of uncalled for. The bits that are plastic are a bit more unpleasant. Easy to get used to (and not as bad as my MX518, not even close), but still.
- The middle set of buttons on the side should have been just slightly smaller. That would allow the thumb join to be directly on the back 2 buttons... but then again this is just my thumb I'm talking about.
- Although the two buttons beside the left clicker somewhat compensate for this, I really wish they would have kept the third clicker on the right. IT AT LEAST GAVE MY OTHER FINGER SOMEWHERE TO REST, ALTHOUGH A MAJORITY OF THE TIME IT DID NOTHING. Probably second biggest con.
- Some ability to switch modes would have been nice. That's probably the biggest con. This thing has big, easy to use keys, so being able to switch key profiles quickly would have been nice. It might be possible with LUA scripting, don't know. I've only used the LUA scripting for keyboard commands.


Overall, I think it's basically the G600, but with more emphasis on overall common usability. There are 8 buttons to use, which is still enough for (I would say) most MMORPG players. Rather the G600 just overwhelmed me to where most of the time I didn't program them. On this thing? Might be a bit different. It's also more usable for non-MMORPGs due to its optical sensor and easier to use keys. The thumb rest area in case you're not using the keys on the left side (or just using the bottom row, which is plenty possible) is also pretty nice. Edit: Oh, and the lack of a rough cord that occasionally gets caught on random shit is great. Seriously.

So, it doesn't really kill the G600 in every way and is in some ways worse, but I like it. I think it's more usable for most people save hardcore MMORPG players (which are the only ones I think will need all those keys and don't care about the sensor). I'll give more updates as I do more testing I guess, I'll need to play some games with it to truly gauge it.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2014, 01:19:15 AM by xShadow »

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Re: Future Computer Parts / General Computer Discussions
« Reply #1519 on: August 07, 2014, 04:11:07 PM »
Any updates on the 602, xShadow?



Roccat is making a new keyboard that tries to integrate smartphones/tablets (Android OS & iOS, I think). The Skeltr.

They're also releasing a MMO mouse with some modular features. The Nyth.

Both devices will be previewed at Gamescon.



Samsung is releasing a SAS SSD. I'm assuming it'll be for the SFF-8639 connector, but it may just be limited to 12Gb/s SAS interface.

Samsung is also planning some more V-NAND goodness, but you guys could already have guessed that Samsung would follow up the 850 Pro with the 850 Evo. PCPer.

More elaboration on the coordination remarks from Samsung.



Marvell announces a new PCIe SSD controller. Not a particular fan of Marvell or of products that use their stuff, but hey, it's news.



Microsoft is killing the Charms Menu in Windows 9, maybe. They also be adding virtual desktops. If you're into that kind of thing.



AMD has released the world's most powerful server card. I doubt such a proclamation will last more than a quarter before NVIDIA responds and try to crush this server card.



The GTX 880 will be out in September.