Iran, North Korea Sign Science and Technology Agreement

[vicious796]

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-north-korea-agree-cooperate-science-technology-153528687.html

One's got the basic knowledge and the other the resources. Who didn't see this one coming?

[TMRNetShark]

You have no idea how surprised I am that Russia wasn't like... "Here... here is all the information you need to make a nuclear bomb and make it into an ICBM."

[AceHigh]

Are you surprised? No country with nuclear capability would ever want more countries getting nukes, no matter if allies, or enemies. With every new country getting an ICBM, the ones who are possessing them already are diminished in geopolitics.

So no, you shouldn't be surprised that neither Russia, nor anyone else is giving them blueprints for the nuclear hardware.

Vicious: so which one of them had what? Because I thought that both had limited basic knowledge and both had inadequate resources 

[TMRNetShark]

Are you surprised? No country with nuclear capability would ever want more countries getting nukes, no matter if allies, or enemies. With every new country getting an ICBM, the ones who are possessing them already are diminished in geopolitics.

So no, you shouldn't be surprised that neither Russia, nor anyone else is giving them blueprints for the nuclear hardware.

Vicious: so which one of them had what? Because I thought that both had limited basic knowledge and both had inadequate resources 

Well, they gave the Iranians everything else from AK's to tanks to Hinds.

[StealthWar42]

Yes, but Russia (like most sane major powers) draws the line at nuclear weapons. They would draw most of the world's contempt if any kind of nuclear technological breakthrough could be traced back to them... which can be quite easy to prove. I highly doubt Russia would ever risk something like that.

However I could see Iran/N. Korea being dealers of such information... that's what scares me more.

[AceHigh]

Well, they gave the Iranians everything else from AK's to tanks to Hinds.

Well, Americans (with Brits) murdered Iran's elected president, put a puppet monarch into absolute power and then sold them F14 fighter jets! Of course, they didn't sell nukes and they don't give nukes to other lunatics like those monarchs in Saudi Arabia. Russia/China/Great Britain/etc... are the same. Most have conducted business with questionable countries, but they all draw the line with weapons of mass destruction.

The second priority after WMD are actually man portable SAM missiles. Major powers have agreed to stop supplying all those warlords in middle east and Africa with Stinger/Igla/Mistral missiles after a few civilian planes were shot down and everyone acknowledged that it is a fearful tool in hands of terrorists.

[vicious796]

Are you surprised? No country with nuclear capability would ever want more countries getting nukes, no matter if allies, or enemies. With every new country getting an ICBM, the ones who are possessing them already are diminished in geopolitics.

So no, you shouldn't be surprised that neither Russia, nor anyone else is giving them blueprints for the nuclear hardware.

Vicious: so which one of them had what? Because I thought that both had limited basic knowledge and both had inadequate resources 

My broad generalization is that Iran has the money and North Korea has the know how - let's not forget they've successfully detonated basic nuclear devices in underground tests.

As for Russia - anybody ever heard of a silent partner? Them or China, take your pick.

/tinfoilhat

[Pharismo]

I do think N.K has others technology besides nuclear that Iran might be interesting or else it wouldn't sign this deal, unless they made it just to get more bargains from the west since they notice Israel won't attack now. Another theory of mine is that they made this deal just to make Israel fear. I don't believe Iran is getting nukes soon since they're nuclear problem is the most watched on the world.

[xfreidax]

North Korea got some of their nuclear tech from Pakistan. The guy who ran the Pakistan nuke programme apparently sold secrets to Iran, North Korea and Libya.

Funny thing is the guy is still considered a national hero and is even thinking about entering politics.

[Pharismo]

North Korea got some of their nuclear tech from Pakistan. The guy who ran the Pakistan nuke programme apparently sold secrets to Iran, North Korea and Libya.

Funny thing is the guy is still considered a national hero and is even thinking about entering politics.

If that guy become Pakistan president it will be funny to see USA react. I still wonder how it would be.

[madara90]

We need a new WMD or none at all, nukes are getting old. Still interested to see what happens with this though, i am sure if these sorts of countries(crazy like) managed to get close to building one then maybe a "mistake" will be made in which it goes off while they are building it.

[AceHigh]

Neutron bomb? Those kill only living things, I bet it's a really good "disinfectant" on a global scale.

[Rayu5]

Doesn't matter, if nobody interfers with Iran or N Korea nothing will happen. You know that Germany basically gifted submarines (U-Boat) that can fire nuclear "explosive devices" to Israel, a country which didn't sign the nuclear contract, like the US, Russia, Germany etc. did, and nobody cares about them. Experts say that Israel may have 200-300 nuclear "explosive devices".

Nowadays nuclear weapons are used as a "shield" nobody attacks with them, but everybody that has them is like: "well, if you try to F*** with us we might nuke you"

If I'm right the last nuclear thing used to harm anyone were those nuclear bullets in Vietnam, that didn't just kill the enemy but also the ones that were firing them.

Even the most retarded person must have realized by now that Nuking is fatal for everyone, when Tschernobyl blew up you weren't able to eat mushrooms found in the forest over at Germany, even 20 years later.
Nukes are pretty much a "Last Stand" Weapon. As long as you don't interfere with the countries that have them you don't have to fear anything.

[Ixarku]

If I'm right the last nuclear thing used to harm anyone were those nuclear bullets in Vietnam, that didn't just kill the enemy but also the ones that were firing them.

What the hell is a nuclear bullet?  Are you talking about depleted uranium rounds?  I certainly not knowledgeable about military hardware, but I'm pretty sure those things aren't the same as a nuclear bomb.

[sdedalus83]

If I'm right the last nuclear thing used to harm anyone were those nuclear bullets in Vietnam, that didn't just kill the enemy but also the ones that were firing them.

What the hell is a nuclear bullet?  Are you talking about depleted uranium rounds?  I certainly not knowledgeable about military hardware, but I'm pretty sure those things aren't the same as a nuclear bomb.

He's not quite sure what he's talking about.  Certainly not depleted uranium.  Hell, if you've been through an airport, you've been exposed to the depleted uranium shield in the x-ray camera.  It's what protects you from the high energy radiation from the camera's light source.

[Rayu5]

If I'm right the last nuclear thing used to harm anyone were those nuclear bullets in Vietnam, that didn't just kill the enemy but also the ones that were firing them.

What the hell is a nuclear bullet?  Are you talking about depleted uranium rounds?  I certainly not knowledgeable about military hardware, but I'm pretty sure those things aren't the same as a nuclear bomb.

He's not quite sure what he's talking about.  Certainly not depleted uranium.  Hell, if you've been through an airport, you've been exposed to the depleted uranium shield in the x-ray camera.  It's what protects you from the high energy radiation from the camera's light source.

I don't know what those bullets were called, but if I'm not F***ing it up they were radioactive and killed or crippled the US-Soldiers who fired them too. There were campaigns etc. against those weapons in the US though, that's what I know for sure.

And I've been at airports a couple of times, the last time 3 years ago, not in the states though, the only thing I know about are those magnetic things that you have to go through, x-ray cameras weren't a standard, at least in Germany, it was discussed to use them though (I think they discussed about it in 2011).

[sdedalus83]

If I'm right the last nuclear thing used to harm anyone were those nuclear bullets in Vietnam, that didn't just kill the enemy but also the ones that were firing them.

What the hell is a nuclear bullet?  Are you talking about depleted uranium rounds?  I certainly not knowledgeable about military hardware, but I'm pretty sure those things aren't the same as a nuclear bomb.

He's not quite sure what he's talking about.  Certainly not depleted uranium.  Hell, if you've been through an airport, you've been exposed to the depleted uranium shield in the x-ray camera.  It's what protects you from the high energy radiation from the camera's light source.

I don't know what those bullets were called, but if I'm not F***ing it up they were radioactive and killed or crippled the US-Soldiers who fired them too. There were campaigns etc. against those weapons in the US though, that's what I know for sure.

And I've been at airports a couple of times, the last time 3 years ago, not in the states though, the only thing I know about are those magnetic things that you have to go through, x-ray cameras weren't a standard, at least in Germany, it was discussed to use them though (I think they discussed about it in 2011).

No, you are fucking it up.  Several countries have deployed nuclear artillery and the US once deployed a goofy little tripod mounted RPG, but no country has ever used radioactive small arms in actual combat.  There has been significant resistance against the use of depleted uranium munitions due to the elevated risk for uranium poisoning, rather than radiation exposure, amongst those living in former combat areas.

I'm talking about the machine used to take x-rays of your luggage.  There would be no point in shielding the target from the radiation source needed to produce an image  .

[jaybug]

You eat uranium with every meal. Uranium is one of the most common elements on earth. Granite kitchen countertops are more radioactive than de3pleted uranium. The carbon used for radio dating of old dead things is more radioactive than depleted uranium. This is because the half lives are far shorted than that of depleted uranium.
Nuclear bullets are a tinfoilhat thing.

I bet NK and Iran may start work on what Saddam left off, a gun that can fire bullets around the world. Now, these are artillery shells, so they a bomb small enough to be fired from an artillery gun has been developed decades ago, so perhaps they like this idea. If they can keep it hidden before the US or Israel blows it to hell.