2012 US Presidential Election

[5Cats]

***EDIT*** Dear, God. Listening to that speech makes me wish we could elect Clinton again.

You can't, he confessed to Felony Perjory, which prevents him from holding that office.
Which he should have been impeached for, btw, being guilty of it and all...
And if he had once ounce of shame he should have resigned, but he's a Democrat!

The results of your poll cause me to fear for y'alls future! Good luck America!

[zherok]

He can't be elected because of that twenty-second amendment either, but thanks for your input on the matter.

[5Cats]

 
Well YEAH! I knew that too! lolz!

Term limits for all them fat-cats in DC!

I was wondering, would it have violated the 22nd for Hillary to get elected? (Obviously not, she ran for the nomination). There's a big BIG loophole that y'all oughta close...

[zherok]

Hilary is pretty clearly capable of being her own political person, a Hilary presidency would not be a Bill Clinton presidency by proxy.

[jaybug]

Hilary is pretty clearly capable of being her own political person, a Hilary presidency would not be a Bill Clinton presidency by proxy.

Yeah there won't be any humidor action in the passageway.

[5Cats]

Hilary is pretty clearly capable of being her own political person, a Hilary presidency would not be a Bill Clinton presidency by proxy.

Yeah there won't be any humidor action in the passageway.

lolz! You don't know much about Hillary.
SOME people say Hillary ran the Oval Office the whole time, just trotting Willy out for public occasions. While she did a lot of bad things, even I'm not THAT paranoid to believe it.

Still, imagine when President Sarah Palin gets elected in 2016, and 2020, and then Todd Palin runs in 2024, and 2028... Oh what a wonderful world it would be!

[sdedalus83]

Hilary is pretty clearly capable of being her own political person, a Hilary presidency would not be a Bill Clinton presidency by proxy.

Yeah there won't be any humidor action in the passageway.

lolz! You don't know much about Hillary.
SOME people say Hillary ran the Oval Office the whole time, just trotting Willy out for public occasions. While she did a lot of bad things, even I'm not THAT paranoid to believe it.

Still, imagine when President Sarah Palin gets elected in 2016, and 2020, and then Todd Palin runs in 2024, and 2028... Oh what a wonderful world it would be!

We wouldn't get to 2024.

[Nikkoru]

Hilary is pretty clearly capable of being her own political person, a Hilary presidency would not be a Bill Clinton presidency by proxy.

Yeah there won't be any humidor action in the passageway.

lolz! You don't know much about Hillary.
SOME people say Hillary ran the Oval Office the whole time, just trotting Willy out for public occasions. While she did a lot of bad things, even I'm not THAT paranoid to believe it.

Still, imagine when President Sarah Palin gets elected in 2016, and 2020, and then Todd Palin runs in 2024, and 2028... Oh what a wonderful world it would be!

We wouldn't get to 2024.

I'm surprised you can imagine it. I don't have such vivid nightmares while awake.

[sdedalus83]

I'm surprised you can imagine it. I don't have such vivid nightmares while awake.

She'd be the first candidate to use "Inducing the Rapture" as a campaign promise.

[jaybug]

I'm surprised you can imagine it. I don't have such vivid nightmares while awake.

She'd be the first candidate to use "Inducing the Rapture" as a campaign promise.

Didn't Schwartzenegger use that line to knock-up the maid?

[surdumil]

Nope.  It was the intern

[jaybug]

Nope.  It was the intern

The intern used that line on Bill? She didn't just say to him, 'just humor(dor) me on this one little thing?'

[vicious796]

Anybody catch the debate from Wednesday night? I missed most of it as I was driving home from South Carolina, but the little I heard on the radio was going very well for Romney and very poorly for Obama. Not that most people care what happens in these debates, of course, but I was surprised to hear Romney speaking better than Obama.

[occasional]

Chris Matthews' reaction is a pretty good telltale

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AzmXeZgGS0

Jon Stewart's take:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-october-4-2012/democalypse-2012---o-bama--where-art-thou--pt--1
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-october-4-2012/democalypse-2012---o-bama--where-art-thou--pt--2
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-october-4-2012/polish-that-turd---barack-obama-s-lethargy

[Nikkoru]

Obama was pretty terrible, but as far as his policies go, nothing interesting arose.

I'm even less sure of Romney's positions now than I was on Tuesday, for all the "establishing sharp contrast between the candidates" Lehrer was going on about, there were far too much similarities where there shouldn't have been. Romney felt like he was saying all the while "I'm going to keep doing just about everything Obama's doing which is popular, but not, for reasons I can't explain or it'll ruin my presidency".

That they were both excessively dishonest about the other's positions and their implications was expected, I wasn't expecting Romney to be so distant from his own though.

[zherok]

Obama was fairly subdued and rambling at times. I don't know of many Democrats particularly pleased by his performance.

But yeah, I don't like Romney anymore despite Obama's performance. His tax plan is still bullshit. A whimsical and apparently unnecessary 20% cut to everyone while still maintaining revenue neutrality. At the moment he can't even claim to be simplifying the tax code, because the only definite he offered simply caps deductions (at an apparently arbitrary amount, given he just threw out a bunch of possible numbers, math being one of those not terribly important aspects of tax plans, I guess.) The lack of specifics that actually cover deductions has been a problem throughout his campaign, and remains to be seen if he can even maintain that neutrality without raising middle class taxes. "Trust me" seems an awful lot when he's so incredibly focused on huge tax breaks for the rich as the crown of his entire policy.

He loved what he did in Massachusetts with Romneycare, praised his non-partisanship in getting it enacted. Hates Obamacare, will apparently repeal it on day one in an equal display of non-partisanship (getting elected into office will cow or convert Democrats, I guess?) Still keeps several important aspects of it somehow, except those pesky parts that pay for it.

A recurring theme is he can't offer anything definite, or... something bad will happen. The only successful way to become president is to offer a bunch of vague and idealistic goals, then come into office and make them all happen without any definite methods of making them actually happen. For me, it's not enough you run entirely on not being Obama, and then explain that through mere presence, your own four years will be fucking amazing.

So yeah, Obama was underwhelming by far. But Romney shifting tack a few weeks from the elections will still being incredibly vague on what his policies would actually entail beyond merely what they hope to accomplish means little. And I think Obama has more to gain in the last two debates than Romney does now.

[Nikkoru]

He loved what he did in Massachusetts with Romneycare, praised his non-partisanship in getting it enacted. Hates Obamacare, will apparently repeal it on day one in an equal display of non-partisanship (getting elected into office will cow or convert Democrats, I guess?) Still keeps several important aspects of it somehow, except those pesky parts that pay for it.

Non-partisanship, seems only to apply to attacking the other guy about the lack of it nowadays.

[Tiffanys]

I don't like either of them. Obama would be the better choice out of the two, but I'd rather vote for Mickey Mouse.

After that Clinton speech though, which I just watched... maybe I'll go vote for Obama.

edit:

Anybody catch the debate from Wednesday night? I missed most of it as I was driving home from South Carolina, but the little I heard on the radio was going very well for Romney and very poorly for Obama. Not that most people care what happens in these debates, of course, but I was surprised to hear Romney speaking better than Obama.

Yeah, sorry. I watched it live. Here's what I tweeted after:

Watched the debate. I think Romney is great at talking, but just didn't really have much substance.
Obama performed rather poorly in the debate although his points had more substance to them. Disappointed in general though.

Basically... Romney was very aggressive (lying out his everliving ass), and it was like Obama was taking a nap or had a tummy ache or something. He didn't seem like he even wanted to be there. He looked tired and old. He was the only one that made any sense... but... Romney walked all over him. Hell, he trampled all over him and the moderator.

edit: Looks like Obama's team now has a reaction: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/us/politics/obama-team-tries-to-change-course-after-debate-disappoints.html?pagewanted=all&src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB

edit: and here's a little tidbit about one of Romney's lies: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/opinion/krugman-romneys-sick-joke.html?src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB

[Monkeyfinger]

Anybody catch the debate from Wednesday night? I missed most of it as I was driving home from South Carolina, but the little I heard on the radio was going very well for Romney and very poorly for Obama. Not that most people care what happens in these debates, of course, but I was surprised to hear Romney speaking better than Obama.

I caught the first half hour of it, have to admit that it was a relief to see Romney on offense, though I didn't like the obligatory nods to the same class warfare bullcrap that Obama is guilty of. Not something I look for in a candidate, though Romney isn't exactly the most conservative of republicans.

I read an article that summed up Obama's debate performance well - Obama is like a basketball player with a sweet spot. His sweet spot is in front of the teleprompter.

[johnkx]

Voting for Romney is voting for Bush, we know what happened to his term and I don't want to experience that kind of hardship again.

The economy didn't fail because of Obama, Obama saved US but nobody thinks so because nothing change, nothing change because he made it that way. If it wasn't for our current president, I probably won't be on the internet today - I'd probably stealing, killing or mugging to survive.

The depression was a brink away from happening, Obama prevented it even after all the republicans tried to stop him. Also, Bill Clinton seems to acknowledge him; therefore, he has my vote.