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2012 US Presidential Election

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Soryon:
gib me a pres who will raise taxes and stop enabling ppl to rely on social programs.

Ixarku:

--- Quote from: donald1 on October 14, 2012, 04:38:32 PM ---no, i have not. but i also do not like obama's idea of a healthcare plan. i don't want to be forced into buying something i don't want or face a fine. that is not cool. and don't think it'll stop there. what else will you be forced to buy just cuz someone thinks its a good idea? buy this or pay a penalty is what it comes down to.

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It's been said before, but it bears repeating, that local and state governments force you to buy stuff all the time.  If you want to drive, you have to pay for a license, and at least in my state, in most circumstances, you have to buy a certain amount of auto insurance.  You have to pay the local government for permits & inspections to do certain improvements and upgrades to your own home.  If you buy a house and finance it and don't pay at least 20% of the purchase price, you are required to purchase PMI (private mortgage insurance) -- which insures the loan itself, not the house.  Talk about a worthless policy from a consumer standpoint.
 
So, yeah, I never bought the idea that it was such a horrible thing for the federal government to require consumers to purchase something, considering how much crap the other levels of government have their hands in.

Burkingam:
I agree that it kinda sucks but it's also a rational policies. The problem is that if you don't pay for an insurance and you get hit by a car, they can't take the time to check that you are insured before they save your life and so if you don't have a full bank account and you don't have an insurance they can charge you for it so the other patients end up paying instead. A better solution would be universal healthcare but the right would never allow it, because you know, saving the life of a poor is communism.

pantywraith:

--- Quote from: donald1 on October 14, 2012, 12:08:57 PM ---i think romney should win. obama has done a very unsatisfactory job running the country. his priorities are not where they should be. obama also racked up waaaaaaay too much national debt. the deficit is out of control.

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So because Mr. Obama did not fix the problems the GOP left him with quickly enough we should vote the GOP back in?

That is very logical...  ::)

Most of the national Debt was created by GOP administrations. In fact the last time we were on the path to reducing that debt the GOP gave out the largest tax cut to the wealthiest people in history then went in to two unfunded wars, at least one of which was done under totally false pretenses.

And, you want to put them back in power???  :o

Maybe if the GOP stopped having their number one priority in congress to obstruct all things Mr. Obama is in favor of, he could have done a better job.

Now none of this is to say Mr. Obama is the best or even that I particularly like him. He is far more conservative than I would like, has a piss poor record on human rights, loves to per-compromise with the opposition, then move even more toward their position, is a corporatist stooge, ect...

But, when the only real choice is getting kicked in the balls or kicked in the balls and hit in the back of the head with a bat, I will just take the kicking by its self.

Ixarku:
One thing I've seen repeatedly coming from both sides is how much the current mess is the Republicans' fault... or, the Democrats' fault... or GW Bush's fault... or Clinton's fault... or Obama's fault... or, etc etc.  I've seen so much of the blame game getting played that I have no fucking idea what the reality is.  And I've gotten to the point where I DON'T FUCKING CARE WHO SCREWED UP, FIX IT FIX IT FIX IT FIX IT FIX IT FIX IT.  I'm turning to people like Lewis Black, Jon Stewart, and Stephen Colbert as my sanity checks since everything else in this country is going bat-shit insane.

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