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2012 US Presidential Election
Burkingam:
The problem with cutting taxes isn't that billionaires will become even richer. That I don't mind. Good for them if rich people are rich. The problem is that then we don't have any money to help those people who need it a heck of a lot more than the riches.
jaybug:
Q: How many hundreds of thousands of government bureaucrats does it take to cut checks to those who desperately need the help? Seems that as of now it's almost on a 1:1 ratio. And does every cabinet department need to do what every other department is doing?
Obama can't do it because his party would never allow it. And he does not fight his own party. I think that with all that the conservatives have been trying to remove Romney, that he will probably be able to fight his own party for the betterment of America. yeah right sure.
But I have always believed that it takes a maverick Republican to accomplish the most for the American people. Lincoln, feed the slaves. T. Roosevelt created the national park system, and broke the trusts that were monopolizing all the commodities people used, and brokered peace between Russia and Japan. Former Oregon governor Tom McCall got us the bottle bill, which many states have since adopted, we return cans and bottles for cash money instead of throwing them away on the roads. He also took one of the dirtiest rivers in America, and turned it into one of the cleanest large rivers in the world.
What have democrats done in this time? Grown government beyond our ability to pay for it. yippee.
vicious796:
--- Quote from: Burkingam on October 15, 2012, 02:06:31 PM ---The problem with cutting taxes isn't that billionaires will become even richer. That I don't mind. Good for them if rich people are rich. The problem is that then we don't have any money to help those people who need it a heck of a lot more than the riches.
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I just don't see that as the government's problem - that's a community and state-level problem, not a federal one. Why are homeless people in New York City a financial responsibility of the citizens of New Mexico? There's over 2,000 miles between them!
There are issues that are a federal concern - but 95% of social issues aren't. Those are things that should be controlled on the small scale with loose federal oversight and guidelines - at the most.
Burkingam:
--- Quote from: vicious796 on October 15, 2012, 03:53:55 PM ---I just don't see that as the government's problem - that's a community and state-level problem, not a federal one. Why are homeless people in New York City a financial responsibility of the citizens of New Mexico? There's over 2,000 miles between them!
There are issues that are a federal concern - but 95% of social issues aren't. Those are things that should be controlled on the small scale with loose federal oversight and guidelines - at the most.
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You ask why we should do something about it, for the same reason that you should can an ambulance if you see someone being hit by a car even if you don't know him and that it costs you minutes on you cellphone package and the same reason that if you see a little girl you don't know drowning in a pound you should jump and try to save her even if it means ruining your 500$ shoes. Alleviating suffering is the responsibility of anybody who has the power to do so. This includes members of the communities, rich people, the state, the feds and in fact the responsibility isn't even limited to people of their country. Being ethical means doing the choice which will have the better consequences on everybody affected. Inaction is also a choice with consequences.
vicious796:
--- Quote from: Burkingam on October 15, 2012, 04:28:21 PM ---
--- Quote from: vicious796 on October 15, 2012, 03:53:55 PM ---I just don't see that as the government's problem - that's a community and state-level problem, not a federal one. Why are homeless people in New York City a financial responsibility of the citizens of New Mexico? There's over 2,000 miles between them!
There are issues that are a federal concern - but 95% of social issues aren't. Those are things that should be controlled on the small scale with loose federal oversight and guidelines - at the most.
--- End quote ---
You ask why we should do something about it, for the same reason that you should can an ambulance if you see someone being hit by a car even if you don't know him and that it costs you minutes on you cellphone package and the same reason that if you see a little girl you don't know drowning in a pound you should jump and try to save her even if it means ruining your 500$ shoes. Alleviating suffering is the responsibility of anybody who has the power to do anything about it. This includes members of the communities, rich people, the state, the feds and in fact the responsibility isn't even limited to people of their country. Being ethical means doing the choice which will have the better consequences on everybody affected. Inaction is also a choice with consequences.
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I never said not to do anything about it - but I'm not on my phone all day calling ambulances for people across the country. I'm not getting in my car and driving to Oregon, stopping at every lake and watching out for drowning children.
My point is now, has been, and will continue to be that our federal government is too large. When put practically, it's obvious. Most federal branches have state-level equivalents in every single state. There's nothing wrong with having oversight but there is something wrong with being redundant. How many people does it take to set state minimums for education and environmental issues? It certainly doesn't require the hundreds and thousands of jobs they currently have under employ. Jobs that have excellent benefits and a guaranteed 3.5% raise every year. Jobs that are nearly impossible to be fired from.
The size and power of the fed is enormous. It wouldn't be a problem if the entire US all thought, acted, and lived the same - but we don't. It's the same reason I support a universal healthcare system but only on a state level with federally mandated minimums.
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