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Nikkoru:
Jaybug doesn't care about black people.

zherok:
Tangentially related to the "Waiting for Superman" comment, I thought of this video spoofing the Apprentice (the pilot portion in particular.)

The idea that any high skill occupation is best served through arbitrary and regular purging of the bottom 10th of it's work place seems rather untenable.

Furthermore, prioritizing test scores puts undue emphasis on the already successful, and punishes teaching at schools that need the help the most. Which is just another part of the problem of pretending that teachers and their unions are wholly to blame for student performance issues. As if socio-economic or family conditions were tangential at best.

So while cherry picking among the most successful charter schools and glossing over family conditions or the enormous per-student costs it takes to get those higher numbers looks nice in a movie, it hardly validates the model for the entire country.

Education reform is going to take more than just throwing money at for profit enterprises and hoping their profit motive doesn't get in the way of providing an actual education.

Ixarku:

--- Quote from: zherok on October 30, 2012, 05:14:33 AM ---Education reform is going to take more than just throwing money at for profit enterprises and hoping their profit motive doesn't get in the way of providing an actual education.

--- End quote ---

I think if we just executed every high school student who fails to get a high enough score on a particular standardized test before graduation, that would solve the problem nicely.  Set the bar high enough, and we could have a pretty significant population growth reduction.  If you get caught cheating on the test, we execute your entire family.  That'll learn those students to take their education seriously.  And if they're too poor or too dumb to catch up to the educational standard, well, too bad -- we need to reduce our population of poor and/or dumb people anyway.  As an added bonus, we could take the bodies of the executed and turn them into nutritious pet food, fertilizer, low cost home insulation, or simply grind them up into sausage and feed them to the homeless.  Another problem solved!
 
 
TBH, I'm not really sure what Jaybug advocates as far as education goes.  I don't recall ever seeing him plainly state what his vision is for the future on this topic.

jaybug:
Where do you come up with these weird ass ideas? Does Japan even pay for High School? NO. What does France do? Splits them off at age 16 when they take their Baccelaureate (sic?) So now, not only do we have to have a high school diploma that will mean absolutely nothing if your plan comes to fruition, we have to give people 2-4 years at least more education.

Oh, but we will have that money from gutting the DoD budget. Good idea, that last place that Americans have in manufacturing, you just killed. So now where are all those people who just got your technical training going to go to work? Solyndra?

Oh wait, Obama's most recent jobs training shinola only trained those who already had a job! And only 16% of the trainees kept the new job after 6 months. What a success story!

Look, We already pay for primary education. I wish getting a diploma was at least as good at providing the skills and knowledge for life as it once was. And I don't see how you are going to pay for another pipe dream. You already bankrupted the country with health care that does nothing to rein in costs. Why should I believe that you will somehow rein in college costs?

Thanks for the levity Nikk. And by the by, I am of the Booker T. Washington school of thought about Black people, and education. I think it would be good for people of all skin colors, and for aiding in immigration reform efforts.

Burkingam:
To answer your question jaybug, college doesn't cost money, it generates tax. College graduate make a lot more money and pay far far more taxes than drop-outs. I'm sure it's a notion you will never admit because it would violate your political allegiances, but there is such a thing as places where the government can invest with would be both socially and economically beneficial.

And btw the "making bomb creates jobs" rhetoric is laughable. What don't you realize that schools hire people too and these jobs are a lot cheaper that people manufacturing shits designed to kill whoever the right wants to see dead?

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